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Floods are judgment on society, say bishops
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The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God's judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
The Bishop said pro-gay laws were to blame for the floods
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.
While those who have been affected by the storms are innocent victims, the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.
The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence.
"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."
The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.
"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said.
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.
"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."
He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".
The West is also being punished for the way that it has exploited poorer nations in its pursuit of economic gain. "It has set up dominant economic structures that are built on greed and that keep other nations in a situation of dependence. The principle of God's judgment on nations that have exploited other nations is all there in the Bible," he said.
He urged people to respond to the latest floods by turning away from a lifestyle of greed to instead live thinking of the consequences of their actions.
Global warming has been caused by people's lack of care for the planet and recent environmental catastrophes are a warning over how we behave, according to the Bishop of Liverpool.
"People no longer see natural disasters as an act of God," said the Rt Rev James Jones. "However, we are now reaping what we have sown. If we live in a profligate way then there are going to be consequences," said the bishop, who has previously been seen as a future Archbishop of Canterbury or York.
"We have a responsibility in this and God is exposing us to the truth of what we have done."
The Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, said: "We are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Instead of living as if we owned the earth we need to recover a sense of being participants in a web of life with responsibilities to other life forms and to our children."
The Bishops' warnings came as flood-hit communities were being warned to brace themselves for more torrential rain this weekend, with the Met Office issuing a severe weather warning for large areas of England and Wales, with up to 50mm (2in) of rain forecast.
Reposted from:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/01/nflood201.xml
The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God's judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.
The Bishop said pro-gay laws were to blame for the floods
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that laws that have undermined marriage, including the introduction of pro-gay legislation, have provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.
While those who have been affected by the storms are innocent victims, the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.
The Rt Rev Graham Dow, Bishop of Carlisle, argued that the floods are not just a result of a lack of respect for the planet, but also a judgment on society's moral decadence.
"This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way," he said. "We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as the environmental damage that we have caused."
The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.
"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said.
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want," he said, adding that the introduction of recent pro-gay laws highlighted its determination to undermine marriage.
"The sexual orientation regulations [which give greater rights to gays] are part of a general scene of permissiveness. We are in a situation where we are liable for God's judgment, which is intended to call us to repentance."
He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".
The West is also being punished for the way that it has exploited poorer nations in its pursuit of economic gain. "It has set up dominant economic structures that are built on greed and that keep other nations in a situation of dependence. The principle of God's judgment on nations that have exploited other nations is all there in the Bible," he said.
He urged people to respond to the latest floods by turning away from a lifestyle of greed to instead live thinking of the consequences of their actions.
Global warming has been caused by people's lack of care for the planet and recent environmental catastrophes are a warning over how we behave, according to the Bishop of Liverpool.
"People no longer see natural disasters as an act of God," said the Rt Rev James Jones. "However, we are now reaping what we have sown. If we live in a profligate way then there are going to be consequences," said the bishop, who has previously been seen as a future Archbishop of Canterbury or York.
"We have a responsibility in this and God is exposing us to the truth of what we have done."
The Rt Rev Richard Chartres, Bishop of London, said: "We are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Instead of living as if we owned the earth we need to recover a sense of being participants in a web of life with responsibilities to other life forms and to our children."
The Bishops' warnings came as flood-hit communities were being warned to brace themselves for more torrential rain this weekend, with the Met Office issuing a severe weather warning for large areas of England and Wales, with up to 50mm (2in) of rain forecast.
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Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers2. Comment #53442 by BAEOZ on July 1, 2007 at 1:36 pm
"environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate"
Oh, so god, in his old-testament guise can't selectively target those who earn his wrath? But, when he's a bit frisky, he can get bowl a maiden over with a googly from his tweaker, Gabriel? Convenient.
The Bible says that you must kill your kiddies if they are cheeky, Jesus said this in one of those gospely things. So, this is punishment not for gays, but every person who ever let there kid survive after they were, well, child-like. Maybe god is selectively targeting everyone who is human. Now it makes sense. God makes us bad. Tells us he wants us to be near him, just follow his arbitrary laws. Punishes the be-jesus out of all who say no thanks, we'll keep our kiddies. Sadistic little sprite isn't he?
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3. Comment #53445 by Nails on July 1, 2007 at 1:42 pm
So, I have suffered little more than a flooded garden for all the anti-religious posts i have written this year, yet a guy i work with has lost half his house (the downstairs, in fact) even though he goes to church most Sundays.Does that make sense?
Maybe he's a closet homo, I don't know.
But how exactley doe sthe bish know this?
Did his god tell him?
Or (more likely) did he make it up?
Over to the jury.....
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4. Comment #53449 by Planeten Paultje on July 1, 2007 at 1:50 pm
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals."Guess who is talking? Give these guys some mirrors.
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5. Comment #53451 by I'mNotAlone on July 1, 2007 at 1:58 pm
There may well be a connection between society's morals and the weather. But the connection isnt God - it's climate change.Just like Planeten Paultje I think it is an excuse for the Church to try to influence people.
There's life in them there old 'orse - keep flogging!!
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6. Comment #53454 by BillySands on July 1, 2007 at 2:04 pm
the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.
let's get back to stoning gays and taking sex slaves then - TWAT!
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7. Comment #53458 by Dr Benway on July 1, 2007 at 2:19 pm
If bad weather means God is pissed at you, does nice weather mean He's pleased? Is it all about me? Me?
Maybe my little joke to weeflea 'bout my enormous cock made God laugh. Blue skies and light breezes all weekend.
Must say: God's a moody bugger.
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8. Comment #53459 by Corylus on July 1, 2007 at 2:25 pm
I try really hard to be logical, calm, polite and understanding, but I have had a bad day. The news today: full of tales of with low life little scroats thinking they have to right to immoliate women dancing in a nightclubs or young families in airports going on holiday... Because, GOD said so.
Now we have idiots like this Bishop sproating judgemental bile. People have DIED in these floods. Apparently because God cares into which orifice men insert their genitalia. That makes sense then.
So, everyone please excuse me in advance...
I just have to say that the crook/staff (whatever the f%ŁK it is that this bishop is holding) is just asking to be rammed (vigourously) into a place that daylight never reaches.
Thank you for listening.
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9. Comment #53460 by Dr Benway on July 1, 2007 at 2:33 pm
whatever the f%ŁK it is that this bishop is holdingIt's to round up the sheep for fleecing.
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10. Comment #53461 by D'Arcy on July 1, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I think the bishops are possibly pissed of with God because all this rain has interupted their Wimbledon viewing. So who do they blame? Well who else but all us sinners of course.Let's hope Wee Flea is having good weather so he's in a good mood when he ressurects himself on this board.
Have these ignorant bishops never heard of North Atlantic weather systems. Pompous pricks.
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11. Comment #53462 by Evil Genius on July 1, 2007 at 2:46 pm
The church of england making it up as they go along once again. Everyone knows the floods were really Gods way of denouncing the appointment of Gordon Brown.Other Comments by Evil Genius
12. Comment #53463 by steve99 on July 1, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Well, I pointed this out to my husband, and he thinks we can't be doing that badly. In biblical times, God would punish by plagues of frogs and even flooding the whole world. Making things a bit damp for a week or two seems nothing more than a gentle reprimand by comparison. Other Comments by steve99
13. Comment #53467 by Paul Creber on July 1, 2007 at 3:03 pm
The Bishop of Carlisle, eh? If memory serves me Carlisle was flooded to a depth of several feet a couple of years back when the River Eden burst its banks. One of the bishop's churches, St Aiden's, was among the buildings worst hit. Is that an umbrella he's holding in the picture?Other Comments by Paul Creber
14. Comment #53468 by jonecc on July 1, 2007 at 3:07 pm
Why is God picking on Yorkshire? I've been sinning like a bastard to try and deflect some of his rage, but the worst I've had was when the wind got up my umbrella the other day.Other Comments by jonecc
15. Comment #53475 by robert s on July 1, 2007 at 3:29 pm
So if something happens that the Church disapproves of, but the weather remains OK in the following week, can we expect to see the Bishops owning up to their being wrong and God infact approving of whatever it was they were complaining about?Other Comments by robert s
16. Comment #53478 by robotaholic on July 1, 2007 at 3:39 pm
That's interesting - I guess things are going to get alot worse because I am going to go have homosex tomorrow. Better take your umbrellas with you for the next couple of days... >) Other Comments by robotaholic
17. Comment #53479 by Donald on July 1, 2007 at 3:42 pm
I sometimes wonder if the genes that give the ability to read, write and talk are separate from those that give the ability for thinking as opposed to parroting.If only 4% separate us from chimpanzees, it would only take a few allele differences to make substantial differences in brain function. Perhaps religion and some kinds of stupidity are not only about memes.
Yes, that would be bad news.
We'll probably know in a couple of decades.
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18. Comment #53480 by charlieallery on July 1, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I love that they actually said this to reporters with straight faces. Most of the UK is going to go 'WTF?' The Weather is the Met Office's area of expertise (or not, as the odd hurricane may bear witness). This is not doing CofE credibility any good at all. Other Comments by charlieallery
19. Comment #53482 by Goldy on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Wonder what the Pakistanis did wrong? Wonder if the good bishops are in contact with the Red Mosque over all this immorality ;-)Other Comments by Goldy
20. Comment #53483 by jaytee_555 on July 1, 2007 at 3:51 pm
I could hardly believe I was reading such absolute bollocks, then I had a quiet little smile to myself. Ah! I thought, I'll not be caught out again, and scrolled back to the top of the article looking for the words 'The Onion'.Nope! It wasn't The Onion...it was from The Telegraph.
One could expect this sort of opportunist tripe from the Falwells and Robertsons of this world, but to hear it from Anglican bishops who have actually studied at universities and been awarded degrees is just about the last straw.
And critics of Richard Dawkins have the cheek to say we should try to get these so-called 'moderates' onside with us, and stop making them out to be fundamentalist nutters! We certainly don't need support from this fancy-dress parade. They seem not to care that they talk and look like total prats.
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21. Comment #53484 by scottishgeologist on July 1, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Ah, dont you just love it when these idiots are just *SO* certain about the reasons for it all. I am reminded about a huge controversy that erupted in the wake of the Indian Ocean tsunami a couple of years ago. Heres the text, taken from a church web site:"Free Presbyterian minister the Rev John MacLeod provoked criticism yesterday after saying the Asia tsunami disaster was a "divine visitation". Mr MacLeod said: "Some of the places most affected by the tsunami attracted pleasure-seekers from all over the world. It has to be noted that the wave arrived on the Lord's day, the day God set apart to be observed the world over as a holy resting from all employments and recreations that are lawful on other days." A spokesman for the Catholic Church in Scotland said: "The view that the tsunami was some kind of divine retribution is utterly alien to the Catholic world view." The Church of Scotland also distanced itself from the remarks and a spokesman said: "Recreation is something which can happen on any day, including the Sabbath, much as religion can become part of any day of the week. The tsunami was a natural disaster, after which so many look for comfort or reflection in the church."
Source: The Herald.
John Macleod is an ultra ultra fundie. Makes Phelps look cuddly. well almost...
But, notice, however, the OTHER church reaction in that article, that it was a "natural disaster".
In other words, a tacit statement of "god is not omnipotent"
Oh yeah, to my eternal shame and horror - I dated a Free Presbyterian girl once. Mind you she was hot and horny.....
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22. Comment #53485 by GodlessHeathen on July 1, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Crook-carrying slack-jawed imbecile.What does it take to be so horrifyingly immoral as to tell people who've lost so much that they're being punished by a god who's so bad at its job it can't even make beings the way it wants them to be and has to destroy the lives of the innocent to scare folks into behaving?
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23. Comment #53487 by PrimeNumbers on July 1, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Of course, it was god's incompetant design of humans that allows them to go gay in the first place. We know being gay is not a choice, but how you're born.Of course, if this Bishop believe that god is doing this, he's as imoral as his corrupt god.
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24. Comment #53488 by Downunder on July 1, 2007 at 4:53 pm
All old hat. The news media making news to sell papers, thriving on any publicity better than none. Why don't we ignore it? Other Comments by Downunder
25. Comment #53491 by joshuaslocum on July 1, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Two things are astonishing:A. The paper considered this "news," and to the extent of devoting so many column-inches to it.
B. That they didn't try to, or couldn't find, one public figure willing to call bullshit on these clergy and point out how outrageous and offensive their remarks were.
UK papers are starting to look more and more like those in my own U.S., sadly.
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26. Comment #53492 by Satanburiedfossils on July 1, 2007 at 5:32 pm
I hope this story will at least give some merit toward teaching Intelligent Weather (IW) in schools.But I think the real problem here is that Xtians have been praying for too much rain.
So, the next time there's a drought somewhere in the world, Xtians should focus their attention on coordinating their prayers. For example, instead of having everyone pray all at once, they should direct half of their constituents to petition God one week and the other half the following week.
Nonetheless, I believe it would be more expeditious for Xtians to simply ask the Creator to supernaturally fill all depleted wells and reservoirs with water. I say cut out the middle man and stop sending God mixed messages.
(It is necessary for me to label my posts as SATIRE?)
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27. Comment #53493 by _J_ on July 1, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Ah. Twats in Hats.Proof, if any were needed, that intelligence is not positively correlated with ownership of a silly costume.
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28. Comment #53496 by NJS on July 1, 2007 at 5:55 pm
This brought to mind that story from a couple of weeks ago where the US presidential candidates were given the opportunity to show how stupid they were by being asked about evolution.First of all I'd like this story to be given huge import in the media and then I'd ask the major politicians a few pertinent questions.
When does respect for faith stop and a recognition of mental illness begin?
Is it right that lunatics like this have a place in government? (the House of Lords for non-UK readers)
Is it right lunatics like this get tax breaks?
Is it right lunatics like this are being given the power to set up more and more schools?
I'd love to see them really nailed down on giving answers.
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29. Comment #53497 by artemisa on July 1, 2007 at 6:01 pm
I don't understand the logic of an all-powerful all-knowing God, who makes faulty humans and then gets pissed off for his own mistakes.Other Comments by artemisa
30. Comment #53498 by mjwemdee on July 1, 2007 at 6:04 pm
What IS it with the Xtians and gay sex? Why are they so obsessed by it? The Bish is off his trolley.
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31. Comment #53502 by k1mgy on July 1, 2007 at 6:45 pm
"We are in serious moral trouble because every type of lifestyle is now regarded as legitimate," he said."INCLUDING YOURS", I said.
Followed by the epithet, "Asshats!".
How else to respond to this lot of nonsense except to feel very afraid for our world with these idiots in it.
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32. Comment #53506 by Fouad Boussetta on July 1, 2007 at 7:13 pm
It's really sad idiots like that still manage to get money to keep them going at it... Other Comments by Fouad Boussetta
33. Comment #53511 by Dr Benway on July 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm
mjwemdee:The Bish is off his trolleyTwo bricks short of a load.
One beer short of a sixpack
Not playing with all 52 cards
Not running on all 8 cylinders
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34. Comment #53514 by troyreynolds86 on July 1, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Ok, I am willing to give this a try.If we all do what religion (which one?) tells us, become biblically moral (someone pass me a stone, I got some sinners to do some killing to, also back off menstating woman I fear being unclean), stop being gay (any suggestions?), stop allowing perfectly capable adult human beings doing things with their own genetalia (how do you spell bigot?) then (insert your deity of choice here) will cease all and any hurricanes, floods, tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, and the AIDS virus and everyday the sun will shine, the sky will be blue and butterflies will land on our shoulders.
This is about as likely as if the second rate, backwater Kingdom of Israel denounced polytheism for the religion that the temple priests endorsed and then the would not getting their asses handed to them by the vastly superior Assyrian Empire's army. Worshipping practices are just what made the difference in that little skirmish.
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35. Comment #53519 by Pieter on July 1, 2007 at 10:11 pm
This kind of drivel always reminds me of the monty python hymn from "The Meaning of Life";O Lord, please don't burn us.
Don't grill or toast Your flock.
Don't put us on the barbecue
Or simmer us in stock.
Don't braise or bake or boil us
Or stir-fry us in a wok.
Oh, please don't lightly poach us
Or baste us with hot fat.
Don't fricassee or roast us
Or boil us in a vat,
And please don't stick Thy servants, Lord,
In a Rotissomat.
Anyways, what a bunch of toads.
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36. Comment #53520 by Roy_H on July 1, 2007 at 10:41 pm
What a totally imbecile statement !So God decides to punishes totally innocent people to protest say, against catholic priests buggering choirboys? Ah he doth work in mysterious ways eh?These "Rev. J. C. Flannel" types make it up as they go along don't they.
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37. Comment #53525 by BT Murtagh on July 1, 2007 at 11:16 pm
The bishop, who is a leading evangelical, said that people should heed the stories of the Bible, which described the downfall of the Roman empire as a result of its immorality.
The Roman Empire, even using the most conservative dating, didn't fall for several centuries after the last book of the Bible was written.
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38. Comment #53527 by Zaphod on July 1, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Yes and Bishops fuck little boys because they have been bad. They deserved it didn't they.Religious twat.
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39. Comment #53528 by D'Arcy on July 1, 2007 at 11:53 pm
While those who have been affected by the storms are innocent victims, the bishops argue controversially that the flooding is a result of Western civilisation's decision to ignore biblical teaching.
Presumably when the next serious flooding happens in Bangladesh, that will be because Allah or some other God is pissed off with all those decadent sinners living their high life styles. Or maybe it could be the Bishop of Carlisle's God punishing them for ignoring biblical teaching. According to these high priests humanity just can't win, and it's all Adam and Eve's fault.
A previous poster is right, Christian prayers should be concentrating on getting some rain to Africa and Australia. Anyone know a guy called Noah in your neighbourhood?
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40. Comment #53529 by Shuggy on July 1, 2007 at 11:55 pm
One diocesan bishop has even claimed that ... the introduction of pro-gay legislation, ha[s] provoked God to act by sending the storms that have left thousands of people homeless.In other words, that Bishop's God is a homophobic, genocidal, capriciously malevolent bully. Um, now where have I heard those words before?
The floods that have devastated swathes of the country are God's judgment on the immorality and greed of modern society, according to senior Church of England bishops.Isn't that exactly what the Jihadis say their works are? So can we add "terrorist" to RD's list?
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41. Comment #53531 by Logicel on July 1, 2007 at 11:59 pm
He expressed his sympathy for those who have been hit by the weather, but said that the problem with "environmental judgment is that it is indiscriminate".____
So all you 'good' people who don't break God's law better get down hard on those who do, since God's wrath is indiscriminate. Clever manipulation.
How depressing to know that there are religious nuts in power in the Western world who--by only following their NON-EVIDENTIAL faith--will, if only indirectly, encourage their faithful flock to do the necessary things to stave off God's wrath if and when global warming effects become worse and worse--necessary things like bombing gay clubs and abortion clinics, etc.
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42. Comment #53534 by pissinintothewind on July 2, 2007 at 12:58 am
It`s lucky we have men such as these in the House of Lords where they can put their minds to, and have a say in Goverment legislation. After another bout of faith based attempted murder what we need is more of this type of incisive reasoning.Other Comments by pissinintothewind
43. Comment #53540 by rokort on July 2, 2007 at 1:33 am
Isn't it time we put all religious nutters on some Ark and push them towards the edge of their beautifully flat earth? These amazingly stupid childmolesters known as evangelical soldiers are nothing but another example that "God" is anything but intelligent.
Words fail me to describe how backward this Bishop is.
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44. Comment #53543 by Paul Creber on July 2, 2007 at 1:42 am
53491 by joshuaslocum:Two things are astonishing:
A. The paper considered this "news," and to the extent of devoting so many column-inches to it.
B. That they didn't try to, or couldn't find, one public figure willing to call bullshit on these clergy and point out how outrageous and offensive their remarks were.
A. The number of replies flying thick and fast on this thread is testament to the fact that this is indeed news.
B.There are some news stories where it is superfluous to invite comment from "the other side". A quirky tale about a man with hobgoblins at the bottom of his garden would be one example. The bishops' preposterous pronouncements would be another. Both stand pilloried by their own absurdity.
On another point, the Telegraph has acquired a reputation of opening up with both barrels at the church when the newspaper has precious little to back up its claims. In the wake of the Asian tsunami, the Sunday Telegraph ran a splash story quoting the Archbishop of Canterbury as saying that the disaster had led him to question his belief in God. In fact, the archbish had said no such thing.
But in the current story (no pun intended) it certainly appears that Graham Dow and the other bishops have been quoted accurately.
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45. Comment #53544 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 2, 2007 at 1:43 am
The sound you hear is me banging my head against the wall.Other Comments by Fanusi Khiyal
46. Comment #53546 by Blue Lithium on July 2, 2007 at 1:55 am
Why is it ALWAYS gay people? Everytime something goes wrong, blame the gays!HIV is caused by gays (ala Jerry Falwell)
9/11 was caused by gays(Falwell again)
Katrina was caused by gays (Pat Robertson)
The downfall of america is cos of lesbians (Dobson)
and now they're resposible for flooding!
Damn gay people destroying our society :)
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47. Comment #53547 by Freemind451 on July 2, 2007 at 2:10 am
CofE Celebrates Hike in UK Insurance Premiums...Dolt.
And this guy has the right to speak in the House of Lords...? In a rational society he would be disqualified from doing so by his own stupidity.
[We should encourage Bishops to speak out like this...... it does no harm at all to the atheist cause.]
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48. Comment #53549 by Bill Lees on July 2, 2007 at 2:32 am
This needs to be publicised more than it has been just for its sheer absurdity. The clergy probably could exert a measure of social influence over the populace of simpletons back in the 16th century by invoking the idea of natural phenomena as the vengeance of God on human sinners, but in the 21st century it is surely the case that most people will look at this ridiculous attempt to frighten people into line and simply scoff. He might as well have put a white sheet over his head, waved his arms around and went "WOOOOOHHHOOOOOOOOHHHH" !Other Comments by Bill Lees
49. Comment #53551 by Jamougha on July 2, 2007 at 2:39 am
I can hardly believe this...Anyway, next time someone challenges Dawkins about his books not representing 'real' religion he can point them straight to this. No better example of religion producing ignorance and bigotry among well-educated, decent people.
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50. Comment #53552 by automath on July 2, 2007 at 2:51 am
If bad weather means God is pissed at you, does nice weather mean He's pleased?
Sounds a bit pagan-ish to me.
Everytime I start to give the religionists the benefit of the doubt, something like this comes along to bring me back to reality!
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1. Comment #53438 by Bremas on July 1, 2007 at 1:27 pm
"In the Bible, institutional power is referred to as 'the beast', which sets itself up to control people and their morals. Our government has been playing the role of God in saying that people are free to act as they want,"Fundies say the darndest things?
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