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3. Comment #54287 by Serious on July 6, 2007 at 9:22 am
Nice article, very, but how do you reform or "moderate" the literal word of god?4. Comment #54288 by gibodean on July 6, 2007 at 9:23 am
Reform-minded Muslims say it's time to admit that Islam's scripture and history are being exploited. They argue for re-interpretation precisely to put the would-be terrorists on notice that their monopoly is over. Re-interpreting doesn't mean re-writing. It means re-thinking words and practices that already exist--removing them from a seventh-century tribal time warp and introducing them to a twenty first-century pluralistic context.
5. Comment #54290 by Friend Giskard on July 6, 2007 at 9:31 am
6. Comment #54293 by Pieter on July 6, 2007 at 9:42 am
I'm with Giskard on this one. Although it's not really a practical solution, the only reinterpretation of religious scripture that i would endorse would be the one that concludes it is all bunk and bull.7. Comment #54295 by bitbutter on July 6, 2007 at 9:46 am
Re-interpreting doesn't mean re-writing. It means re-thinking words and practices that already exist--removing them from a seventh-century tribal time warp and introducing them to a twenty first-century pluralistic context.
8. Comment #54301 by wolf1168 on July 6, 2007 at 10:05 am
Interesting article, nice to see someone besides our usual three or four speakers on this topic jumping into the hot water.9. Comment #54319 by eye of horus on July 6, 2007 at 11:05 am
The almighty lords of dualism: Ahura Mazda, Yahweh, God, and Allah are ethical equivalents of comic book super-villains. Jokers all.10. Comment #54338 by Jiten on July 6, 2007 at 12:32 pm
11. Comment #54343 by geckoman on July 6, 2007 at 12:56 pm
On the positive side, it is goood to read a female from a muslim background writing in these terms.12. Comment #54355 by Pieter on July 6, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Neil, let's not kid ourselves to the extent of muslim tolerance. They only looked tolerant by comparison to some Xian fanatics in Europe. They allowed non-muslims to live in their lands and worship what they wanted but as second class citizens; Dhimmis. They had to pay a special tax, and depending upon the location, subjected to a variety of other discriminations.13. Comment #54357 by Vinelectric on July 6, 2007 at 1:51 pm
14. Comment #54358 by Vinelectric on July 6, 2007 at 1:53 pm
15. Comment #54364 by krogercomplete on July 6, 2007 at 2:23 pm
I have to point out to Pieter that the system of the dhimmis, as unfair as it is, proves one point: that the 'kill the unbelievers wherever you find them' has a context: during ongoing war. Please look it up.
16. Comment #54371 by Bonzai on July 6, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Comment #54342 by Neil SSo in theory, Muslims can do it too. In fact they did it once already; during 800-1100, the Muslim societies were much more tolerant and cosmopolitan, and more curious about astronomy and math to boot, than the Christian ones by a long shot.
17. Comment #54374 by Pieter on July 6, 2007 at 3:41 pm
I only wanted to point out that the view that muslims were tolerant in the past is an entirely relative construct. by today's standards it would be the definition of an apartheid system. and i wanted to point out that the dhimmi that were tolerated were largely other 'people of the book' (and later some hindus shieks, and buddhists) but i am very doubtful that atheists would be tolerated there. The dhimma reeks of ecumenicism and there would likely be no place for atheists in it.18. Comment #54377 by Bonzai on July 6, 2007 at 4:17 pm
Preserving and copying, preserving and copying. And a few comments by Averoes. the fact that we even speak of this period with any kind of respect or reverence just show how much we have to reach in order to come up with something admirable about islamic civilization. 'You preserved plato for us.' whoop-dee-do.
19. Comment #54390 by mmurray on July 6, 2007 at 6:44 pm
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them."
how would a reformer 're-interpret' this i wonder?
20. Comment #54404 by Macho Nachos on July 6, 2007 at 10:35 pm
21. Comment #54420 by Vinelectric on July 7, 2007 at 2:12 am
Define "ongoing war."
22. Comment #54468 by Fanusi Khiyal on July 7, 2007 at 10:53 am
>>Untill some sort of peace treaty is agreed to. The dhimmi tax was originally intended, not as a penalty, but as a governmental tax in return for protection. <<23. Comment #54539 by Veronique on July 7, 2007 at 5:26 pm
24. Comment #56438 by Elentar on July 15, 2007 at 6:21 pm
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