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3. Comment #54506 by Dr Benway on July 7, 2007 at 2:44 pm
Maybe the reporting isn't up to scratch.Reporters generally are a disappointment. They're often don't know what they don't know. And they're prone to over-emphasize controversy.
In doing so, they provide the first evidence of an unusual form of altruism that appears to violate evolutionary theory.
4. Comment #54530 by anshul on July 7, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Doesn't Tit for tat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat ] improve your survival? This is only different in the sense that the first move in an iterated prisoner's dilemma is being made on the basis of average response from the population, which does sound like an improvement over the usual always-positive-first, if some assumptions can be made about the general population.5. Comment #54607 by CJ on July 8, 2007 at 6:05 am
In doing so, they provide the first evidence of an unusual form of altruism that appears to violate evolutionary theory.
6. Comment #54853 by Squiddity on July 9, 2007 at 6:29 am
I would advise people who are interested in this report to read the full paper (http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0050196) and also to read in more depth about generalised reciprocity and what effect this has on evoutionary behaviour and psychology. Robert Wright's 'The Moral Animal' is a very accessible book which covers this quite well.7. Comment #54854 by Squiddity on July 9, 2007 at 6:30 am
gordon: No, because the rats who are passing on the benefit have not received theirs in response to their own actions. This is what makes it 'generalised' reciprocity, rather than 'specialised', which is a much more accepted survival trait.8. Comment #55814 by Thrall on July 12, 2007 at 1:05 pm
I agree, the reporting on this is tosh, and the study doesn't do much other than show that rats are altruistic.9. Comment #56319 by s.k.graham on July 15, 2007 at 2:05 am
I would note that the pulling the lever sounds like and rather easy task once learned. The paper itself gives no indication of the difficulty of this task for the rats involved, but the general impression I am left with is not very difficult. The so-called "altruistic" rat is risking very little. "Be nice to strangers" seems a sensible strategy, especially when your experience has been that strangers are nice to you. Why make an enemy? Surely rats are fairly good at remembering one-another as individuals.10. Comment #56803 by Susac on July 17, 2007 at 10:11 am
I think that this conversation is missing the obvious. This is not a study about rats engaging in altruistic behavior as a product of their genes.
1. Comment #54497 by gordon on July 7, 2007 at 1:20 pm
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