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Sunday, July 8, 2007 | Reason : Religion as Child Abuse | print version Print | Comments

Document Brainwashed children plead to die as martyrs in Red Mosque siege

by Dean Nelson, Times Online

Thanks to Linda Ward Selbie for the link.

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http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2042156.ece

SAIMA KHAN wants to die a martyr. Life is transient, she told her father in a telephone call last week, and the real glory is to sacrifice it for Allah. Her statement would be alarming at any age, but Saima is only 10.

As she spoke, rifle shots rang out, the acrid smell of tear gas drifted over Islamabad and hundreds of troops surrounded the pro-Taliban Red Mosque, a religious school complex in the heart of Pakistan's capital where Saima was among hundreds of children being held as virtual hostages in a stand-off between militants and the government.

Saima and her 14-year-old sister, Asma, were embroiled in a struggle for the soul of Pakistan in which up to 70 militants died last week and more than 100 were injured, according to mosque officials.

Holed up inside the complex behind the lines of troops and razor wire, the children – many of them girls whose families had sent them to the mosque to receive a strict Islamic education – repeatedly rejected relatives' entreaties to leave before a threatened army onslaught.

There was evidence that many had been brainwashed into a cult of martyrdom, and the authorities feared last night that some were being prepared to be suicide bombers. In barely eight weeks, Saima had been transformed from a religious but fun-loving girl to a jihadi, grimly craving martyrdom.

At the barricades, her father, Luftullah Khan, a shopkeeper, frantically pestered soldiers to let him rescue both his daughters. But when he got through to them on their mobile telephone, they said they preferred martyrdom to freedom.

"I spoke to my daughter. She said there was no food or water left. I tried to arrange a meeting, but she said, 'We're here; my dead body will be here. I will not leave my teachers'," Khan said.

His bewilderment at her sudden transformation reflects that of a nation that can barely believe the events unfolding in the shadow of General Pervez Musharraf's presidential palace.

Militant leaders said yesterday that 30 girls had been buried in a mass grave inside the mosque grounds. Two more students died in fighting overnight. The children attend the Jamia Hafsa and the Jamia Faridia, two local madrasahs, or religious schools. The militants have herded their students into the basement of the mosque.

Early yesterday the city was rocked by a dozen loud explosions as the army used shellfire to demolish long stretches of a 5ft wall that surrounds the mosque. Tear gas was fired from armoured personnel carriers, and soldiers provided heavy covering machinegun fire, but no effort was made to storm the building.

Despite their evident fire-power, the military, many of them drawn from special forces, were playing a waiting game. They wanted to avoid the bloody confrontation apparently being sought by the mosque's firebrand leader, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, who said he was determined to fight to the last.

Ghazi, who claimed that 1,800 children remained inside, said yesterday he had divided the boys and girls into two camps. "The boys are the first line of defence, then the girls," he said. "They have all sworn an oath on the Koran that they will fight to the death."

The combination of fighting and fanaticism was a stark reminder of Musharraf's failure to rein in Pakistan's militants, despite the apprehension of western allies about the advance of extremism in a nuclear power.

For months the leaders of the Red Mosque have unleashed a campaign of fear and intimidation in Islamabad, using their burqa-clad students as the shock troops of a moral crusade.

They raided massage par-lours, tore down posters of women, kidnapped alleged brothel madams and video shop owners and forced them to apologise for their "immorality" at televised press conferences. Last week Musharraf finally decided to clamp down and demonstrate that his government, which has presented itself as a bastion of "enlightened moderation", was prepared to confront the extremists on its doorstep.

Musharraf told Pakistan televi-sion yesterday that he was prepared to raise the stakes with the militants: "People hiding in the Red Mosque should come out, otherwise they will get killed. Action will be taken against them if they don't come out."

Musharraf, considered a key ally of the West in the war on terror, has been bitterly criticised by Pakistani moderates, who feel his refusal to return the country to civilian leadership after eight years of military rule has fostered radicalism.

They argue that his decision to exile the two country's two most prominent politicians, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, has weakened democratic institutions and strengthened the hold of the militants.

There are fears among western leaders that Pakistan could implode into a bitter battle between secular and the hard-line religious groups, becoming another failed state where Al-Qaeda can thrive.

The militants provided a stark reminder of their power on Friday when a burst of gunfire from a rooftop was reported to have been aimed at Musharraf's plane as it took off from an airfield in Rawalpindi. Security officials said later they had found two antiaircraft guns and a sub-ma-chinegun with a telescopic sight. Musharraf has already survived at least three attempts to kill him.

The Red Mosque first earned a reputation for militancy in the 1980s when its founder, Maulana Abdullah, won favour from the military dictator Zia ul Haq, who encouraged Pakistanis to join a jihad, or holy war, against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Senior intelligence officers prayed at the mosque and the cleric forged strong links with Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban regime in Kabul that sheltered him.

When Abdullah was assassinated, the mosque was taken over by his two sons, Ghazi and Maulana, who was captured last week as he tried to flee disguised in a burka.

They called for jihad against the United States, supported the Taliban and linked up with militants in deeply conservative tribal areas on the Afghan border. The current conflict began after the authorities warned the mosque that it had illegally seized government land and must give it up. Its leaders responded in March by sending in burqa-clad women armed with Kalashnikov rifles to occupy a government-run children's library next door.

Last month Maulana reached the point of no return when his followers kidnapped nine Chinese women, including six acu-puncturists and masseuses, denouncing them as prostitutes. China, which is Pakistan's closest military ally, registered a formal complaint and demanded protection for its nationals.

Troops from the Pakistan Rangers, special forces and elite female paramilitary commandos took up positions around the complex to stop any further attempts by the militants to enforce religious law. Surrounding roads were sealed and the mosque's supplies of food and ammunition were cut off.

On Tuesday the confrontation finally turned violent as militant students threw stones and fired shots at soldiers, who retaliated with volleys of tear gas.

As fighting escalated throughout the week, Musharraf kept a restraining hand on his forces. "We have reports that women and children have been locked in the basement floors. If we blow any of the walls, the whole building would collapse on them," said one officer.

For one family at least there was a happy ending of sorts. As a gun battle raged late on Friday, with snipers on the roof of the mosque forcing the army back to its lines 100 yards away, Khan, the father who had been pleading with his two daughters to leave, called them on their mobile phone and told them their mother was outside. She had been taken ill and lay unconscious on the pavement, he said.

It was a lie but it worked. The two girls quickly left the compound and found their waiting father in the crowd. "I'm taking them back to our village," said Khan. "They were ready for martyrdom and they're very angry with me. I'm just happy I've got my daughters back, and sorry for those whose daughters are still in there."

Saima, in a bitter, fanatical voice that belied her 10 years, told The Sunday Times her father had cheated her of martyrdom. "The teachers taught us about martyrdom and that it is a great achievement," she said.

"I could see the fighting was in front of me and I could understand that we would die. I felt real anger about what my father did. He tricked me."

Additional reporting: Suzanna Koster

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1. Comment #54644 by Angieruns on July 8, 2007 at 10:47 am

They're breeding lunatics faster than we can kill them...

Most frightening: the Christian right seeks to infiltrate AMERICAN schools with their brand of mythological nonsense in the tradition of the Taliban.

Resist!

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2. Comment #54645 by fonex_86 on July 8, 2007 at 10:53 am

............ I'm speechless.

Eerie as this may sound, I used to be ready to die like those kids. Only difference is that I was a xian. *shudders*

Poor kids, what a waste of human compassion, creativity, ingenuity, ... and life.

When will the madness end?

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3. Comment #54646 by pewkatchoo on July 8, 2007 at 10:58 am

 avatarHis bewilderment at her sudden transformation reflects that of a nation that can barely believe the events unfolding in the shadow of General Pervez Musharraf's presidential palace.
Well he is the stupid cunt that made them join the fucking mosque in the first place. No sympathy for him at all, just for the kids.

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4. Comment #54647 by Quetzalcoatl on July 8, 2007 at 11:01 am

 avatarAnd yet, this is the first I have heard of this story. It hasn't been reported much in the West before now. And where are the cries of condemnation from Islamic clerics, the protestations that their faith has been twisted by these fanatics?

Listens.....

Silence echoes in his ears.

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5. Comment #54648 by Titus on July 8, 2007 at 11:01 am

"– many of them girls whose families had sent them to the mosque to receive a strict Islamic education –"
As you sow, so shall you reap.
Perhaps this sorry episode will strengthen moderate opinion in Pakistan; though somehow I doubt it will. It seems far more likely that there will be increased polorisation leading to civil war.
I despair when I see man's inhumanity to man, and all in the name of god.

Apologies for the cliches.

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6. Comment #54653 by CJ on July 8, 2007 at 11:16 am

 avatar4. Comment #54647 by Quetzalcoatl on July 8, 2007 at 11:01 am

And yet, this is the first I have heard of this story.

It's been on the front page of the BBC News since it started.

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7. Comment #54655 by Quetzalcoatl on July 8, 2007 at 11:23 am

 avatarMy mistake!

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8. Comment #54662 by Bonzai on July 8, 2007 at 11:46 am

The Red Mosque first earned a reputation for militancy in the 1980s when its founder, Maulana Abdullah, won favour from the military dictator Zia ul Haq, who encouraged Pakistanis to join a jihad, or holy war, against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.


Well guess who was funding and supporting these lunatics back in the hey days of Zia ul Haq. That's right, the U.S.A.

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9. Comment #54665 by MartinSGill on July 8, 2007 at 12:06 pm

 avatarWhat do you except when you allow faith schools?

Christian schools are no better, the only difference is that current Christianity doesn't aim for suicide bombings and terrorists. If Christianity did, you'd find the same effect in your local Christian faith school. In the end, a faith school is all that that mosque is.

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10. Comment #54666 by Bonzai on July 8, 2007 at 12:14 pm

Comment #54644 by Angieruns

Most frightening: the Christian right seeks to infiltrate AMERICAN schools with their brand of mythological nonsense in the tradition of the Taliban.


Disgusted as I am with the Christian right, I can't think of any mainstream evangelical Church that comes even close to such evil.James Jones might have a shot. I don't like to use terms like "evil" as they may be too suggestive to the religious minds. But I can't think of anythig else that can adequately describe such depravity.

Why is it that some posters always feel that they must take an obligatory shot at Christians whenever the topic of Islamic extremism comes up? There are degrees of evil. It doesn't help in lucid discussions by lumping all religions together ,--and dismissing the moderates along with the fundamentalists. It trivializes the barbarity of Islamist ideology.

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11. Comment #54678 by Solarium Solaris on July 8, 2007 at 12:53 pm

 avatarI agree with Bonzai. Christians are definitely very confused, but these people (Islamists) are just psychokillers, plain and simple.

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12. Comment #54680 by Diplo on July 8, 2007 at 1:00 pm

 avatarI'm waiting for the Islamist apologists to:

a) Blame this on the Western foreign policy

b) Claim this has nothing what-so-ever to do with Islam and that the real Islam is all nice and cuddly

c) Call anyone "Islamophobic" and racist who suggests it is

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13. Comment #54681 by konquererz on July 8, 2007 at 1:03 pm

 avatarThats silly, we aren't taking shots at christians, we are taking shots at religion in general, christianity is just the big dog in the western world. And lets not forget, christianity has simply evolved from the crusades, while Islam hasn't evolved past tribal like customs and beliefs.

But further, there are a growing number of christians who are actively working towards a theocracy. Not the "our forefathers were christians" type, the "we will make this country to be under gods law!" type. You just don't hear about them. There are plenty who are ready and willing to die for the "cause of christ" and they aren't put on TV. I was one of them, even in grade school. They think that christians are persecuted in the western world as well as abroad. They think the end time is upon us and plan on suffering a terrible death of torture and beheading in the coming tribulation.

They work behind the scenes to ensure that Israel keeps up their actions and that Israel gets supported and the Palestinians get the boot. They fight for christian judges, christian candidates, and christian presidents. The difference between these crazy muslims and the crazy christians is the method they use to exert their influence. The goal is ultimately the same. And in a way, what christians are doing, because its secret and not "in your face", its more dangerous.

Sure, maybe there aren't as many "psychokillers" but you don't have to kill to be dangerous to our future and our children. At least with the killers, we know who the bad guy is and have the ability to kill him first.

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14. Comment #54683 by D'Arcy on July 8, 2007 at 1:12 pm

 avatarWas it the Jesuits whose claim was that given a child up to age 7, that child would be forever a Catholic? If you feed children mental poison and ignorance as soon as they are capable of absorbing it, it's hardly surprising that they can quickly be turned into potential suicide bombers as this article shows.

What is going on in Pakistan is not a religious struggle but a political one, with the various protagonists using religious fronts as part of their propaganda, in much the same way as the Christian bishops were happy to bless the war efforts of their respective countries during the 2nd world war, even if, (especially?), if it meant killing Christians from the opposing country.

The thought the mad mullahs in Pakistan getting hold of political power and control of nuclear weapons is scary, but then so is the thought of the USA wielding its vast arsenal in the name of Christendom.

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15. Comment #54686 by flistr8 on July 8, 2007 at 1:20 pm

 avatarOne would have to go a trifle further than "taking obligatory shots at Christians" to trivialize this: "Its leaders responded in March by sending in burqa-clad women armed with Kalashnikov rifles to occupy a government-run children's library next door."

I'm stumped as to how to deal with this problem. I've noticed a lot of opinions on this site but no solutions. Any suggestions?

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16. Comment #54690 by Bonzai on July 8, 2007 at 1:33 pm

Comment #54681 by konquererz

Thats silly, we aren't taking shots at christians, we are taking shots at religion in general,And lets not forget, christianity has simply evolved from the crusades, while Islam hasn't evolved past tribal like customs and beliefs.


Why do you think in this discussion any sensible person would take shots at religion in general? Clearly not all religions teach children to seek martyrdom and are prepared to act on it. This is precisely the problem I have with taking a uniform approach to all religions simply because "they are not true" and treating all believers with the same contempt because "they are all deluded". Not all falsehoods are equally deadly; not all delusional people are murderous psychopaths. I certainly wouldn't give a damn if someone believes in the tooth fairy.

Christianity has to a very large extent been tamed by secularism and Islam has not. You're correct that Christianity has evolved, this is exactly the point, though I am curious to why you add the adjective "simply" to your sentence as if it's just a minor detail that Christianity has evolved in contrast to unevolved,--or some may say actually devolved,--Islam. Well a poodle has also "simply evolved" from the wolf.

But further, there are a growing number of christians who are actively working towards a theocracy. Not the "our forefathers were christians" type, the "we will make this country to be under gods law!" type. You just don't hear about them. There are plenty who are ready and willing to die for the "cause of christ" and they aren't put on TV.


Where are they? I won't be surprised if there are some self styled "Christian" cults who may advocate violence or a return to theocracy but I think you are exaggerating their importance. But Wahabism is pretty mainstream in Islam nowadays. Even for many "traditional" Islamic schools who don't advocate terrorism their beliefs on a wide range of issues still remain in the Dark Age. For example, all major Sunni schools agree that the punishment of apostasy is death. Next to most Islamic scholars the late Jerry Falwell would sound like a liberal. I don't recall Falwell ever argued that it was ok to beat women on theological ground. Even Fred Phelps doesn't tell his followers to murder gays, but execution is the proper punishment for homosexuals according to many well respected Islamic scholars and this is indeed the law in many countries governed by Sharia.

It is true that some Christians are trying to undermine the seperation of Church and state through the backdoor, but this is primarily only a U.S. phenomenon and largely confined to the Fundamentalist Right. But even among the fundamentalists there are very few who would actually favour a full blown Christian theocracy. On the other hand, mainstream Islam doesn't even have the concept of seperation of Mosque and State as they believe that government belongs to Allah, not the people. Check out the website of MSA (Muslim Student Associations) in a major U.S. university to see for yourself.

The goal is ultimately the same. And in a way, what christians are doing, because its secret and not "in your face", its more dangerous.


This is an interesting perspective. I think a religion that advocates killing non believers and subjugating them is far more dangerous than a "non in your face" religion that seeks to convert you by sweet talking. But then you may think differently if you're of the opinion that "believing without evidence" is the worst possible crime ever, worse than killing people or subjecting them to Taliban style treatments. I don't share that premise.




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17. Comment #54693 by Jiten on July 8, 2007 at 1:52 pm

 avatarI agree with post 16 by Bonzai.

Islam is a toxic religion.It's a very bad idea that is very good at spreading itself.It's had 1500 years to perfect its spreadability.

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18. Comment #54700 by mdowe on July 8, 2007 at 2:58 pm

 avatarOk, so the young men are told they are getting 72 virgins for being a martyr, but I wonder what the women have been told they are getting? I wonder how the evil bastards leading this travesty are marketing this to 10 year old girls? I feel terribly sorry for these kids. They deserve a long happy life, and they aren't going to get one.

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19. Comment #54735 by flistr8 on July 8, 2007 at 7:28 pm

 avatarI was wondering the same thing yesterday mdowe. I found a link to an Islamic website that answered this question, being asked by a Muslim female. She didn't sound very happy about the deal. In the nutshell, Allah will take away any thought you may have once in Paradise that would make you unhappy. So, if you are having a problem with your earthly husband staking a claim to his virgins in Paradise, presto chango, Allah will make you think it's cool. Also, part of the answer entailed a discussion about man's sexual needs being higher than a woman's. Hence, the enticement with the virgins for being "patient" while on earth.

It's ghastly how backwards this religion is.

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20. Comment #54779 by Philip1978 on July 9, 2007 at 12:39 am

 avatarI think the article has provided some very interesting points, the first one being Musharraf's inability to control the religious militants, once he caved into them he let a lot of his power base drain away. A good example is when he wanted to reform the rape laws in Pakistan but had to back down once the religious put heaps of pressure on him.
He is also an ally of the West which makes his position even more difficult, again the religious putting a lot of pressure on him. I think this is one of the most important things about somewhere like Pakistan is that relations with the West need to remain on good terms, Pakistan has become a nuclear power which makes it a very dangerous enemy, especially with the fanatic extremists who given half the chance would go for the kill everything and everyone option. But at the same time Musharraf has to keep equilibrium or his rule is in jeopardy and I personally am very worried that his grip is being weakened as time goes on.

You would think that by using children as human shields The Red Mosque would have been vilified by the whole lot of them but religion again comes to their rescue and manages to somehow justify their actions. Very sad indeed

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21. Comment #54781 by HunterZolomon on July 9, 2007 at 12:56 am

 avatarAnd here's a few Youtube clips. I completely agree with Bonzais comment 16.

Girls of the Red Mosque 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T-ymf4iFvA

Girls of the Red Mosque 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ULps-Wp-oY&mode=related&search=

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22. Comment #54807 by CJ22 on July 9, 2007 at 2:59 am

 avatarWaco had no appreciable effect on xtian fundementalism in the US. It's just too easy for people to claim "that's not my faith", or to publicly disavow the lunatics while secretly agreeing with them.

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23. Comment #54813 by Goldy on July 9, 2007 at 3:15 am

There are a lot of rather angry comments by, I presume, Pakistanis on Youtube. Maybe there is some truth in the "Not my Islam!" complaints.

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24. Comment #54814 by Religion Schmeligion on July 9, 2007 at 3:19 am

It seems odd to me that people term it as 'sacrificing themselves' to become martyrs. I fail to see where the 'sacrifice' part comes in. They are leaving the relatively awful earthly existence to go to paradise, where they spend eternity. Surely a 'sacrifice' would be to spend longer here, away from paradise?

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25. Comment #54873 by Tinky Winky on July 9, 2007 at 7:53 am

"It seems odd to me that people term it as 'sacrificing themselves' to become martyrs. I fail to see where the 'sacrifice' part comes in. They are leaving the relatively awful earthly existence to go to paradise, where they spend eternity. Surely a 'sacrifice' would be to spend longer here, away from paradise?"

Welcome to the world of religious contradiction. Why would a loving God condemn honest disbelievers to Hell ?

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26. Comment #55234 by Steven Mading on July 10, 2007 at 10:01 am

I agree with Bonzai that the different religions have varying levels of badness. I do not agree with his implication that one must restrict ones self to only criticizing whichever happens to the the worst of the set and giving the rest a pass.

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27. Comment #55250 by Bonzai on July 10, 2007 at 10:55 am

Steven Mading wrote:

I do not agree with his implication that one must restrict ones self to only criticizing whichever happens to the the worst of the set and giving the rest a pass.


When did I say that we should only criticize the worst and give the rest a pass? However, I do have some difficulties in seeing the relevance of Christianity on this thread. Some posters evidently brought up Christianity in order to suggest some kind of moral equivalence between Christianity and Islam. It might be true in the 14th century but in 2007 Islam wins the contest hands down as the most toxic religion.

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28. Comment #55255 by Chayanov on July 10, 2007 at 11:22 am

Diplo #12:

I know a religious apologist (who is not a Muslim) who always blames "the culture of tribalism" whenever there are reports of Muslim violence. She especially does this whenever there are stories about Muslim violence toward women. But these people have been Muslim for how many centuries now? How on earth do you separate their religious beliefs from their "tribal" beliefs -- especially when they themselves claim they do what they do in the name of religion?

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29. Comment #55342 by MelM on July 10, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Video: "Palestinian children: martyrdom as ideal"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M

Video: "Al-Dura Paradise clip"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canTCmXEMk8

Video: "Farwell letter clip"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_ExnR6yxs

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