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Saturday, July 21, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Religion beat became a test of faith

by William Lobdell, LA Times

Thanks to Adam for the link.

Reposted from:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lostfaith21jul21,0,3530015,full.story?coll=la-home-center

writerA reporter looks at how the stories he covered affected him and his spiritual journey.

WHEN Times editors assigned me to the religion beat, I believed God had answered my prayers.

As a serious Christian, I had cringed at some of the coverage in the mainstream media. Faith frequently was treated like a circus, even a freak show.

I wanted to report objectively and respectfully about how belief shapes people's lives. Along the way, I believed, my own faith would grow deeper and sturdier.

But during the eight years I covered religion, something very different happened.

In 1989, a friend took me to Mariners Church, then in Newport Beach, after saying: "You need God. That's what's missing in your life." At the time, I was 28 and my first son was less than a year old. I had managed to nearly ruin my marriage (the second one) and didn't think I'd do much better as a father. I was profoundly lost.

The mega-church's pastor, Kenton Beshore, had a knack for making Scripture accessible and relevant. For someone who hadn't studied the Bible much, these talks fed a hunger in my soul. The secrets to living well had been there all along — in "Life's Instruction Manual," as some Christians nicknamed the Bible.

Some friends in a Bible study class encouraged me to attend a men's religious weekend in the San Bernardino Mountains. The three-day retreats are designed to grind down your defenses and leave you emotionally raw — an easier state in which to connect with God. After 36 hours of prayer, singing, Bible study, intimate sharing and little sleep, I felt filled with the Holy Spirit.

At the climactic service Sunday, Mike Barris, a pastor-to-be, delivered an old-fashioned altar call. He said we needed to let Jesus into our hearts.

With my eyes closed in prayer, I saw my heart slowly opening in two and then being infused with a warm, glowing light. A tingle spread across my chest. This, I thought, was what it was to be born again.

The pastor asked those who wanted to accept Jesus to raise their hands. My hand pretty much levitated on its own. My new friends in Christ, many of whom I had first met Friday, gave me hugs and slaps on the back.

I began praying each morning and night. During those quiet times, I mostly listened for God's voice. And I thought I sensed a plan he had for me: To write about religion for The Times and bring light into the newsroom, if only by my stories and example.

My desire to be a religion reporter grew as I read stories about faith in the mainstream media. Spiritual people often appeared as nuts or simpletons.

In one of the most famous examples, the Washington Post ran a news story in 1993 that referred to evangelical Christians as "largely poor, uneducated and easy to command."

Another maddening trend was that homosexuality and abortion debates dominated media coverage, as if those where the only topics that mattered to Christians.

I didn't just pray for a religion writing job; I lobbied hard. In one meeting with editors, my pitch went something like this:

"What if I told you that you have an institution in Orange County that draws more than 15,000 people a weekend and that you haven't written much about?"

They said they couldn't imagine such a thing.

"Saddleback Church in Lake Forest draws that type of crowd."

It took several years and numerous memos and e-mails, but editors finally agreed in 1998 to let me write "Getting Religion," a weekly column about faith in Orange County.

I felt like all the tumblers of my life had clicked. I had a strong marriage, great kids and a new column. I attributed it all to God's grace.

First as a columnist and then as a reporter, I never had a shortage of topics. I wrote about an elderly church organist who became a spiritual mentor to the man who tried to rape, rob and kill her. About the Orthodox Jewish mother who developed a line of modest clothing for Barbie dolls. About the hardy group of Mormons who rode covered wagons 800 miles from Salt Lake City to San Bernardino, replicating their ancestors' journey to Southern California.

Meanwhile, Roman Catholicism, with its low-key evangelism and deep ritual, increasingly appealed to me. I loved its long history and loving embrace of liberals and conservatives, immigrants and the established, the rich and poor.

My wife was raised in the Catholic Church and had wanted me to join for years. I signed up for yearlong conversion classes at a Newport Beach parish that would end with an Easter eve ceremony ushering newcomers into the church.

By then I had been on the religion beat for three years. I couldn't wait to get to work each day or, on Sunday, to church.

IN 2001, about six months before the Catholic clergy sex scandal broke nationwide, the dioceses of Orange and Los Angeles paid a record $5.2 million to a law student who said he had been molested, as a student at Santa Margarita High School in Rancho Santa Margarita, by his principal, Msgr. Michael Harris.

Without admitting guilt, Harris agreed to leave the priesthood. As part of the settlement, the dioceses also were forced to radically change how they handled sexual abuse allegations, including a promise to kick out any priest with a credible molestation allegation in his past. It emerged that both dioceses had many known molesters on duty. Los Angeles had two convicted pedophiles still working as priests.

While reporting the Harris story, I learned — from court records and interviews — the lengths to which the church went to protect the priest. When Harris took an abrupt leave of absence as principal at Santa Margarita in January 1994, he issued a statement saying it was because of "stress." He resigned a month later.

His superiors didn't tell parents or students the real reason for his absence: Harris had been accused of molesting a student while he was principal at Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana from 1977 to 1979; church officials possessed a note from Harris that appeared to be a confession; and they were sending him to a treatment center.

In September 1994, a second former student stepped forward, this time publicly, and filed a lawsuit. In response, parents and students held a rally for Harris at the school, singing, "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow." An airplane towed a banner overhead that read "We Love Father Harris."

By this time, church leaders possessed a psychological report in which Catholic psychiatrists diagnosed Harris as having an attraction to adolescents and concluded that he likely had molested multiple boys. (Harris, who has denied the allegations, now stands accused of molesting 12 boys, according to church records.) But they didn't step forward to set the record straight. Instead, a diocesan spokesman called Harris an "icon of the priesthood."

Harris' top defense attorney, John Barnett, lashed out at the priest's accusers in the media, calling them "sick individuals." Again, church leaders remained silent as the alleged victims were savaged. Some of the diocese's top priests — including the cleric in charge of investigating the accusations — threw a going-away party for Harris.

At the time, I never imagined Catholic leaders would engage in a widespread practice that protected alleged child molesters and belittled the victims. I latched onto the explanation that was least damaging to my belief in the Catholic Church — that this was an isolated case of a morally corrupt administration.

And I was comforted by the advice of a Catholic friend: "Keep your eyes on the person nailed to the cross, not the priests behind the altar."

IN late 2001, I traveled to Salt Lake City to attend a conference of former Mormons. These people lived mostly in the Mormon Jell-O belt — Utah, Idaho, Arizona — so-named because of the plates of Jell-O that inevitably appear at Mormon gatherings.

They found themselves ostracized in their neighborhoods, schools and careers. Often, they were dead to their own families.

"If Mormons associate with you, they think they will somehow become contaminated and lose their faith too," Suzy Colver told me. "It's almost as if people who leave the church don't exist."

The people at the conference were an eclectic bunch: novelists and stay-at-home moms, entrepreneurs and cartoonists, sex addicts and alcoholics. Some were depressed, others angry, and a few had successfully moved on. But they shared a common thread: They wanted to be honest about their lack of faith and still be loved.

In most pockets of Mormon culture, that wasn't going to happen.

Part of what drew me to Christianity were the radical teachings of Jesus — to love your enemy, to protect the vulnerable and to lovingly bring lost sheep back into the fold.

As I reported the story, I wondered how faithful Mormons — many of whom rigorously follow other biblical commands such as giving 10% of their income to the church — could miss so badly on one of Jesus' primary lessons?

As part of the Christian family, I felt shame for my religion. But I still compartmentalized it as an aberration — the result of sinful behavior that infects even the church.

IN early 2002, I was assigned to work on the Catholic sex scandal story as it erupted across the nation. I also continued to attend Sunday Mass and conversion classes on Sunday mornings and Tuesday nights.

Father Vincent Gilmore — the young, intellectually sharp priest teaching the class — spoke about the sex scandal and warned us Catholics-to-be not to be poisoned by a relatively few bad clerics. Otherwise, we'd be committing "spiritual suicide."

As I began my reporting, I kept that in mind. I also thought that the victims — people usually in their 30s, 40s and up — should have just gotten over what had happened to them decades before. To me, many of them were needlessly stuck in the past.

But then I began going over the documents. And interviewing the victims, scores of them. I discovered that the term "sexual abuse" is a euphemism. Most of these children were raped and sodomized by someone they and their family believed was Christ's representative on Earth. That's not something an 8-year-old's mind can process; it forever warps a person's sexuality and spirituality.

Many of these victims were molested by priests with a history of abusing children. But the bishops routinely sent these clerics to another parish, and bullied or conned the victims and their families into silence. The police were almost never called. In at least a few instances, bishops encouraged molesting priests to flee the country to escape prosecution.

I couldn't get the victims' stories or the bishops' lies — many of them right there on their own stationery — out of my head. I had been in journalism more than two decades and had dealt with murders, rapes, other violent crimes and tragedies. But this was different — the children were so innocent, their parents so faithful, the priests so sick and bishops so corrupt.

The lifeline Father Vincent had tried to give me began to slip from my hands.

I sought solace in another belief: that a church's heart is in the pews, not the pulpits. Certainly the people who were reading my stories would recoil and, in the end, recapture God's house. Instead, I saw parishioners reflexively support priests who had molested children by writing glowing letters to bishops and judges, offering them jobs or even raising their bail while cursing the victims, often to their faces.

On a Sunday morning at a parish in Rancho Santa Margarita, I watched congregants lobby to name their new parish hall after their longtime pastor, who had admitted to molesting a boy and who had been barred that day from the ministry. I felt sick to my stomach that the people of God wanted to honor an admitted child molester. Only one person in the crowd, an Orange County sheriff's deputy, spoke out for the victim.

On Good Friday 2002, I decided I couldn't belong to the Catholic Church. Though I had spent a year preparing for it, I didn't go through with the rite of conversion.

I understood that I was witnessing the failure of humans, not God. But in a way, that was the point. I didn't see these institutions drenched in God's spirit. Shouldn't religious organizations, if they were God-inspired and -driven, reflect higher standards than government, corporations and other groups in society?

I found an excuse to skip services that Easter. For the next few months, I attended church only sporadically. Then I stopped going altogether.

SOME of the nation's most powerful pastors — including Billy Graham, Robert H. Schuller and Greg Laurie — appear on the Trinity Broadcasting Network, benefiting from TBN's worldwide reach while looking past the network's reliance on the "prosperity gospel" to fuel its growth.

TBN's creed is that if viewers send money to the network, God will repay them with great riches and good health. Even people deeply in debt are encouraged to put donations on credit cards.

"If you have been healed or saved or blessed through TBN and have not contributed … you are robbing God and will lose your reward in heaven," Paul Crouch, co-founder of the Orange County-based network, once told viewers. Meanwhile, Crouch and his wife, Jan, live like tycoons.

I began looking into TBN after receiving some e-mails from former devotees of the network. Those people had given money to the network in hopes of getting a financial windfall from God. That didn't work.

By then, I started to believe that God was calling me, as he did St. Francis of Assisi, to "rebuild his church" — not in some grand way that would lead to sainthood but by simply reporting on corruption within the church body.

I spent several years investigating TBN and pored through stacks of documents — some made available by appalled employees — showing the Crouches eating $180-per-person meals; flying in a $21-million corporate jet; having access to 30 TBN-owned homes across the country, among them a pair of Newport Beach mansions and a ranch in Texas. All paid for with tax-free donor money.

One of the stars of TBN and a major fundraiser is the self-proclaimed faith healer Benny Hinn. I attended one of his two-day "Miracle Crusades" at what was then the Pond of Anaheim. The arena was packed with sick people looking for a cure.

My heart broke for the hundreds of people around me in wheelchairs or in the final stages of terminal diseases, believing that if God deemed their faith strong enough, they would be healed that night.

Hinn tells his audiences that a generous cash gift to his ministry will be seen by God as a sign of true faith. This has worked well for the televangelist, who lives in an oceanfront mansion in Dana Point, drives luxury cars, flies in private jets and stays in the best hotels.

At the crusade, I met Jordie Gibson, 21, who had flown from Calgary, Canada, to Anaheim because he believed that God, through Hinn, could get his kidneys to work again.

He was thrilled to tell me that he had stopped getting dialysis because Hinn had said people are cured only when they "step out in faith." The decision enraged his doctors, but made perfect sense to Gibson. Despite risking his life as a show of faith, he wasn't cured in Anaheim. He returned to Canada and went back on dialysis. The crowd was filled with desperate believers like Gibson.

I tried unsuccessfully to get several prominent mainstream pastors who appeared on TBN to comment on the prosperity gospel, Hinn's "faith healing" or the Crouches' lifestyle.

Like the Catholic bishops, I assumed, they didn't want to risk what they had.

AS the stories piled up, I began to pray with renewed vigor, but it felt like I wasn't connecting to God. I started to feel silly even trying.

I read accounts of St. John of the Cross and his "dark night of the soul," a time he believed God was testing him by seemingly withdrawing from his life. Maybe this was my test.

I met with my former Presbyterian pastor, John Huffman, and told him what I was feeling. I asked him if I could e-mail him some tough questions about Christianity and faith and get his answers. He agreed without hesitation.

The questions that I thought I had come to peace with started to bubble up again. Why do bad things happen to good people? Why does God get credit for answered prayers but no blame for unanswered ones? Why do we believe in the miraculous healing power of God when he's never been able to regenerate a limb or heal a severed spinal chord?

In one e-mail, I asked John, who had lost a daughter to cancer, why an atheist businessman prospers and the child of devout Christian parents dies. Why would a loving God make this impossible for us to understand?

He sent back a long reply that concluded:

"My ultimate affirmation is let God be God and acknowledge that He is in charge. He knows what I don't know. And frankly, if I'm totally honest with you, a life of gratitude is one that bows before the Sovereign God arguing with Him on those things that trouble me, lamenting the losses of life, but ultimately saying, 'You, God, are infinite; I'm human and finite.' "

John is an excellent pastor, but he couldn't reach me. For some time, I had tried to push away doubts and reconcile an all-powerful and infinitely loving God with what I saw, but I was losing ground. I wondered if my born-again experience at the mountain retreat was more about fatigue, spiritual longing and emotional vulnerability than being touched by Jesus.

And I considered another possibility: Maybe God didn't exist.

TOWARD the end of my tenure as a religion reporter, I traveled to Nome, Alaska. Sitting in a tiny visitor's room, I studied the sad, round face of the Eskimo in front of me and tried to imagine how much he hated being confined to jail.

Peter "Packy" Kobuk was from a remote village on St. Michael Island in western Alaska. There natives lived, in many ways, just as their ancestors did 10,000 years ago. Smells of the outdoor life hung heavy in his village: the salt air, the strips of salmon drying on racks, the seaweed washed up on the beach.

But for now, Packy could smell only the disinfectants used to scrub the concrete floors at the Anvil Mountain Correction Center. Unfortunately, alcohol and a violent temper had put Packy there many times in his 46 years. For his latest assault, he was serving three months.

The short, powerfully built man folded his calloused hands on the table. I was surprised to see a homemade rosary hanging from his neck, the blue beads held together by string from a fishing net.

I had come from Southern California to report on a generation of Eskimo boys who had been molested by a Catholic missionary. All of the now-grown Eskimos I had interviewed over the past week had lost their faith. In fact, several of them confessed that they fantasized daily about burning down the village church, where the unspeakable acts took place.

But there was Packy with his rosary.

"Why do you still believe?" I asked.

"It's not God's work what happened to me," he said softly, running his fingers along the beads. "They were breaking God's commandments — even the people who didn't help. They weren't loving their neighbors as themselves."

He said he regularly got down on his knees in his jail cell to pray.

"A lot of people make fun of me, asking if the Virgin Mary is going to rescue me," Packy said. "Well, I've gotten helped more times from the Virgin Mary through intercession than from anyone else. I won't stop. My children need my prayers."

Tears spilled from his eyes. Packy's faith, though severely tested, had survived.

I looked at him with envy. Where he found comfort, I was finding emptiness.

IN the summer of 2005, I reported from a Multnomah County, Ore., courtroom on the story of an unemployed mother — impregnated by a seminary student 13 years earlier — who was trying to get increased child support for her sickly 12-year-old son.

The boy's father, Father Arturo Uribe, took the witness stand. The priest had never seen or talked with his son. He even had trouble properly pronouncing the kid's name. Uribe confidently offered the court a simple reason as to why he couldn't pay more than $323 a month in child support.

"The only thing I own are my clothes," he told the judge.

His defense — orchestrated by a razor-sharp attorney paid for by his religious order — boiled down to this: I'm a Roman Catholic priest, I've taken a vow of poverty, and child-support laws can't touch me.

The boy's mother, Stephanie Collopy, couldn't afford a lawyer. She stumbled badly acting as her own attorney. It went on for three hours.

"It didn't look that great," Stephanie said afterward, wiping tears from her eyes. "It didn't sound that great … but at least I stood up for myself."

The judge ruled in the favor of Uribe, then pastor of a large parish in Whittier. After the hearing, when the priest's attorney discovered I had been there, she ran back into the courtroom and unsuccessfully tried to get the judge to seal the case. I could see why the priest's lawyer would try to cover it up. People would be shocked at how callously the church dealt with a priest's illegitimate son who needed money for food and medicine.

My problem was that none of that surprised me anymore.

As I walked into the long twilight of a Portland summer evening, I felt used up and numb.

My soul, for lack of a better term, had lost faith long ago — probably around the time I stopped going to church. My brain, which had been in denial, had finally caught up.

Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not a choice. It can't be willed into existence. And there's no faking it if you're honest about the state of your soul.

Sitting in a park across the street from the courthouse, I called my wife on a cellphone. I told her I was putting in for a new beat at the paper.

william.lobdell@latimes.com

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1. Comment #57842 by Friend Giskard on July 21, 2007 at 2:21 pm

 avatarFrom the conclusion of the article,

Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not a choice


The author has come far, but not far enough to recognize that faith is a weakness, not a gift.

Must try harder.

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2. Comment #57847 by D'Arcy on July 21, 2007 at 3:14 pm

 avatarI admire Lodbell's account of his faith and its subsequent tests. I imagine that it is far from unusual. The trouble is for the ordinary believer, that they actually expect the old man in the sky with the grey beard to live up to what is claimed on his behalf. When He allows His earthly representatives (in the form of the Catholic Church) to actively abuse, and cover up the same abuse, of children, it would make any believer consider his/her position.

The sooner people can rid themselves of the idea of God, the sooner they will be able to look at the world in a fresh light untainted by superstition.

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3. Comment #57848 by noctem313 on July 21, 2007 at 3:17 pm

 avatarRegardless of how far he has come or how far he has to go, I still felt this was an excellent read.

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4. Comment #57849 by jonecc on July 21, 2007 at 3:35 pm

In my experience, most believers are like this. They have a powerful moral sense, a need for answers and no powers of rational analysis at all.

To read this is to feel a strong sense of empathy for a decent human being struggling to reconcile the irreconcilable, yet also to wonder why anyone would ever let their beliefs be determined by such vacuous crap. He drifts into religious belief with no evidence, and drifts out again with no coherence.

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5. Comment #57850 by He'sAVeryNaughtyBoy on July 21, 2007 at 3:36 pm

A good read, it is interesting to see a person of pixieology (sorry... faith) coming to terms with ideas and realisations that many of us take for granted.

I suppose faith can be considered a gift if you are happy being ignorant.

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6. Comment #57852 by Vinelectric on July 21, 2007 at 3:50 pm

 avatarTo Friend Giskard

Is faith a weakness or a mechanism to cope with hardships?

When the emotionally vulnerable endure some genuine personal tragedy then faith becomes a useful 'skill'. I mean, who hasn't ever wished really hard that there is a chance to see loved ones once again?

Of course most of us do sobre up after a while and learn to move on.

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7. Comment #57853 by _J_ on July 21, 2007 at 4:17 pm

 avatarMy heart goes out to this journalist.

Don't attack him for not skipping merrily into the world of godlessness. We know the dirty tricks religions play with their adherents' emotions. Facing up to the non-existence of god when for years you've been sold wholesale into the belief that all of life's goodness stems from him cannot be easy. This man deserves respect, sympathy and support.

I hope he'll be able to continue his soul-searching without being bullied one way or another by spokespeople for any religious (or anti-religious) group. Personally, I hope he'll be able to take the step from here to the Jonathan Edwards position, and rediscover all the value he had previously erroneously attributed to god.

Shame the site doesn't take comments, and that I don't live in LA. I'd like to pat him on the back and buy him a drink.

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8. Comment #57854 by CanadAdam on July 21, 2007 at 4:22 pm

_J_ the site does take comments (far right hand side). Also the reporter's email address is at the bottom of the story: william.lobdell@latimes.com

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9. Comment #57856 by _J_ on July 21, 2007 at 4:32 pm

 avatarCanadAdam, 8 - cheers, I hadn't noticed that.

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10. Comment #57857 by phil rimmer on July 21, 2007 at 4:49 pm

 avatarIt seems there are two faiths in his life. One of them is dying on its feet. The other still holds strong....his faith in journalism, that is, his need to be a witness to and for truth.

This is brave stuff to write.

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11. Comment #57858 by nancy2001 on July 21, 2007 at 5:14 pm

Excellent article. Thank you for posting it.

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12. Comment #57862 by Zaphod on July 21, 2007 at 5:23 pm

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My soul, for lack of a better term, had lost faith long ago — probably around the time I stopped going to church. My brain, which had been in denial, had finally caught up.

Clearly, I saw now that belief in God, no matter how grounded, requires at some point a leap of faith. Either you have the gift of faith or you don't. It's not a choice. It can't be willed into existence. And there's no faking it if you're honest about the state of your soul.

Sitting in a park across the street from the courthouse, I called my wife on a cellphone. I told her I was putting in for a new beat at the paper.


Faith to me is a character flaw not a gift. Having faith in something means you have no reason to believe it is true apart from just wanting to. The gift of faith is the metaphysical equivalent of getting a lump of coal from Santa.

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13. Comment #57864 by Goldy on July 21, 2007 at 5:28 pm

Striking to me that he seemed to lose this faith at around the time his life started to get into shape. Maybe something is needed to have proper faith.

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14. Comment #57865 by flistr8 on July 21, 2007 at 5:33 pm

 avatarJust to reiterate, the LATimes site does allow comments. And the readers have been overwhelmingly supportive of Lobdell. I emailed him this morning with a link to this site. This is a continuing trend where people losing faith are showing up in the mainstream media in a positive light. 'Bout time.

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15. Comment #57870 by Lauregon on July 21, 2007 at 6:33 pm

Some friends in a Bible study class encouraged me to attend a men's religious weekend in the San Bernardino Mountains. The three-day retreats are designed to grind down your defenses and leave you emotionally raw — an easier state in which to connect with God. After 36 hours of prayer, singing, Bible study, intimate sharing and little sleep, I felt filled with the Holy Spirit.


I once had a friend who went to one of these retreats. She'd been attending a liberal school of theology, was vibrant, intellectually stimulating, interesting, and fun to be with. She came home claiming to have been "born again" but she seemed
more spiritually dead than alive. She didn't say much at all about what the retreat had been like, and I was surprised, even shocked by her appearance and personality change. She soon dropped out of the liberal school of theology, enrolled in a conservative, evangelical seminary and eventually was ordained, but as far as I know, she never returned to the happy, bright person she was before she was "born again." One day a few years years later, she told me with great certainty that she'd actually seen Satan.


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16. Comment #57878 by windfall on July 21, 2007 at 9:03 pm

 avatarExcellent and moving piece. I agree with those who respect this man for his courage. Many of us have been there, and he's moving in the right direction. This sounds somewhat similar to changes I went through in my own life, though much earlier on. Good luck to him to finally let go of his faith and really live.

I was thinking after I read this that, it's odd how almost all of the events that have guided him through his journey were the actions of other humans. I don't know, it just suddenly struck me as funny that, he's talking ABOUT a supernatural entity that he ASSUMES exists a priori, but what mainly tunes his faith in this entity is what regular people are doing for their own ends.

Assuming there is no god or supernatural element to the universe that intervenes in the lives of humans, it's really weird that many of us go around interpreting each other's actions in this way.

How exhausting it is trying to view the world through the distorted prism of faith, trying to balance this impossible ledger that is not meant to be balanced. What a relief to see the world as it (very likely) is.

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17. Comment #57881 by Beachbum on July 21, 2007 at 9:30 pm

 avatarI was born an atheist, never been converted to or from anything. In fact, at the age of six, I was considered an "Outspoken Atheist". To say I admire his courage for writing about his experience with the loss of his downtrodden faith, would be misleading. I don't have the necessary experience in that regard to fully appreciate his position. On the other hand, I do understand the world that he is walking into and the help he could use on the journey. Might I suggest that we send an email to his address to show that he is by no means alone and maybe some links to some good sites on the web. Books as well, maybe some history; say Biography of Thomas Jefferson

Maybe, instead of railing against our view, he could rally for it.

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18. Comment #57884 by Nails on July 21, 2007 at 11:42 pm

 avatarIts bad enough that the history of humanity is littered with tragedy and horror, but to abuse power and trust by sexually abusing a child is the lowest of the low.
And to hide behind the banner of religion to carry out such horrors is unforgivable. These people should be nailed to a cross or stoned to death, they deserve nothing more.
Those who covered for them are no better.
I'm not suprised that being so close to these stories (by reporting them) that William Lobdell has questioned his faith and turned his back on religion.
Welcome to the rest of your life Mr. Lobdell, now that your mind is free from the shackles of dogma.

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19. Comment #57887 by beautyscientist on July 22, 2007 at 1:28 am

Windfall,

I think that if there were a God who influenced human behaviour, that would be apparent and would be very convincing. As humans we are very good at spotting consciousness. If there were a God he might easily choose to let the Universe run in the rational way it does and not intervene in any way other than to talk directly to individuals. We would be able to see that by the way those individuals behaved.

The fact that religious people are no better, and arguably behave much worse than, the non-religious seems to me a very strong and in fact compelling argument against his existance.

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20. Comment #57888 by bouwe on July 22, 2007 at 1:35 am

Wishful thinking and/or willful ignorance is a choice, and certainly not a gift -- although parents pass it on to their kids as if it is exactly that. I'd send that present back for a refund if I were you.

Feel most sorry for that eskimo still clinging to his rosary beads.

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21. Comment #57891 by action1976 on July 22, 2007 at 2:33 am

I find that anyone who has lost there faith always clings to a hope that some miracle will happen and show them that they were right in believing what they believe.
I was the same when i found out Santa Claus didn't exist at the age of four,and i was really dissapointed when all the evidence for a Prehistoric Monster living in Loch Ness was proved to be a Hoax.And that alien's from outer space were possibly a figment of someone's imagination,but hey even though i wanted to believe in these things,there was no credible evidence to support them. Just as there is no God answering your prayers or a Heaven and Hell to go when you have been good or bad.

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22. Comment #57897 by dvespertilio on July 22, 2007 at 4:00 am

Mr Lobdell: your story was sad and poignant. Yes, all religions are illusions,
stories that we tell ourselves, Sometimes they work for apparent good,
frequently they don't. You are now hopefully free of the delusions of
institutional, organized religion(s). It is the same with all human
endeavours. It is our condition. Live now in the vast, spacious openness of
radical compassion. Wait. Watch. Listen. Love. There is an inner vastness of
consciousness where we connect with everything and everyone. It mirrors the
same vastness that we see outside when we raise our eyes to the heavens and
beyond. Love this. Stand in awe of it., as we have done for countless
millennia. This is the root of our being, our source and our destination. We
are children of the cosmos. Let us struggle to love and care for one another.
May your journey continue with blessings and may you bless all those you touch
with your writings. Thank you for blessing me with your candid revelations of
that journey. Life goes on. New life arises from the abyss and crucible of
apparent death. Radical compassion for all living beings is the only way.

Regards, Michael Edward Davis

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23. Comment #57898 by mmurray on July 22, 2007 at 4:05 am

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To read this is to feel a strong sense of empathy for a decent human being struggling to reconcile the irreconcilable, yet also to wonder why anyone would ever let their beliefs be determined by such vacuous crap. He drifts into religious belief with no evidence, and drifts out again with no coherence.


It would be interesting to know if he had a religious upbringing before going with his friend to find god. It is notable that he regarded going to church and the bible as a way of solving his relationship problems instead of counsellor, psychologist etc.

An excellent and moving article. It must be hard to go down this road when your partner in life is religious. Luckily I don't have this problem.

Michael

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24. Comment #57899 by mjosef on July 22, 2007 at 4:17 am

I guess this stuff is to be commended, but I also think that this shows that:
1. Religion is such a waste of time. All those meetings, all that inward self-castigation, all that outward piety that needs and demands such furhter wasting of so many billions of tax support.
2. Adults in America live in an intellectual vacuum. Yes, it took me two decades-plus before my in-grained independent doubt beat down my family-inherited religious bent, but here is a grown-man, educated, with access to such great repositories of information and argument, and he has to encounter fondling priests to cement the rational thought that this mass God delusion is specious and horrible? Could we intellectually challenge each other just a little more in America? Or are we so bloated with unearned riches that we refuse to use even a sliver of our minds?

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25. Comment #57900 by NJS on July 22, 2007 at 4:50 am

So it took his discovery that the catholic church is complicit in criminal abuse of children for him to merely question his faith and not the application of a bit of intelligent thought in the first place?

Sympathy my arse - another moron.

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26. Comment #57904 by phasmagigas on July 22, 2007 at 5:35 am

 avataryesterday i was talking to a lady who bore a cross round her neck, from my perception of her she is a good person, one who would follow the 'silver rule'. I got the feeling that she would attribute her 'silverness' to god if i had asked her. I would suggest though that she would be silver without it, thats just who she is. A few days earlier i was talking to another lady who bore a christian message T-shirt, quickly and proudly professed to listening to contemporary christian music (i wont be borrowing any of her CD's, for whatever reason, that music would drive me to suicide over no other, why is it just so awful)and within fve minutes had convinced me that she was a self indulgent, opinionated, proud and judgemental individual. She is of course like this because thats just in her nature but for me it was the assurance of her faith that somehow was the support rod of her flaws. I found this all interesting because one of the two women seemed so 'silver' because of her faith (i can bet) and the other seemed so tarnished because of it (as far as i could tell). I simply concluded that one of them is a 'better' person than the other, god or not.

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27. Comment #57906 by TinyRobot on July 22, 2007 at 5:43 am

It's a bit unfair to attack him for not being smart enough. He has laid out his story and his reasons for losing (and originally gaining) his faith simply, effectively and with clarity. If he's interested in further exploring the merits of a naturalistic outlook then he can. I would support this guy not disparage him.

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28. Comment #57911 by prettygoodformonkeys on July 22, 2007 at 7:56 am

 avatarI agree, TinyRobot; a little too much judging on this guy, I think.

Some of us don't appear to understand how frightening and painful it is to dismantle an entire belief system that you have been created inside of. It isn't an intellectual exercise, and it isn't necessarily exhilarating - not initially, at any rate.

Obviously it was still worth doing, even without a perfectly intact and intellectually integrated world view.

Anyone else out there like that?

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29. Comment #57929 by Lauregon on July 22, 2007 at 11:41 am

"My ultimate affirmation is let God be God and acknowledge that He is in charge. He knows what I don't know. And frankly, if I'm totally honest with you, a life of gratitude is one that bows before the Sovereign God arguing with Him on those things that trouble me, lamenting the losses of life, but ultimately saying, 'You, God, are infinite; I'm human and finite.' " - Huffman by Lobdell

This is infuriating. It's also the trump card of most if not all believer argumentation. "Let go and let God." No doubt it brings comfort to many, but it's a sure way to repel people who think deeply about religious beliefs.

I say hooray for William Lobdell's awakening. I also say, cut him some slack and remember this: he's not finished yet. I spent a quarter century in a sort of neti-neti theological limbo before finally accepting that I am and have probably always been a non-theist.

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30. Comment #57931 by Lauregon on July 22, 2007 at 11:57 am

I read the responses to Lobdell's article at the Times link provided above. Here's an...interesting one:

Great writing. I would like to make one comment, though, about God growing back limbs. If you study history and some of the great revivalists, you will find that there were occasions where limbs have grown out and documented proof that the dead have come back to life.

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31. Comment #57938 by Bonzai on July 22, 2007 at 12:59 pm

"My ultimate affirmation is let God be God and acknowledge that He is in charge. He knows what I don't know. And frankly, if I'm totally honest with you, a life of gratitude is one that bows before the Sovereign God arguing with Him on those things that trouble me, lamenting the losses of life, but ultimately saying, 'You, God, are infinite; I'm human and finite.' " - Huffman by Lobdell
This is infuriating. It's also the trump card of most if not all believer argumentation. "Let go and let God." No doubt it brings comfort to many, but it's a sure way to repel people who think deeply about religious beliefs.


This just got to show how utterly deluded some religious people are.

I was debating some old foggy bible thumper on another site. He said with a straight face something to the effect that suffering is a trial by God so that in the end of the ordeal we would come to depend on him and love him.

I was appalled. What kind of sicko of a God is that?

I told him his "God" was like a father who made his son "love him" by destroying his son's confidence and self esteem through physical and emotional abuse. Once the son's confidence was cripped he would be forever dependent on the father and would cry with gratitude whenever he got a pat on the back instead of a kick on the groin. That is "love" for evangelical Christians!(this bible thumper is by no means unusual in his belief among evangelicals)

I told him he worshipped a sick God which reflected his sick mind and anyone who raised his child that way oughted to be locked up for being the sick fuck that he was. His come back was that I was an ignorant atheist who "refuses to be taught and be rid of his ignorance", followed by more quotes from the bible. How original.

I wonder what kind of fucked up dysfunctional masochists would conjure up and worship such a sick Sadist of a God and nuseatingly proclaim "God is love".

The bible is a great S&M fantasy . It is the ancient Hebrew's answer to Karma Sutra.

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32. Comment #57945 by roach on July 22, 2007 at 2:30 pm

Wow. I couldn't stop the tears. I took a class called "Religion and the Media" with Will Lobdell when I attended UCI. He was an outstanding lecturer and produced one of the most engaging classes I have ever taken. I gotta email him.

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33. Comment #57956 by Lauregon on July 22, 2007 at 3:53 pm

His come back was that I was an ignorant atheist who "refuses to be taught and be rid of his ignorance", followed by more quotes from the bible. How original. - Bonzai

If his next door neighbor behaved like the god of the Bible is depicted, I'm reasonably certain he'd want him locked up for life in a maximum security facility. Imagine a neighbor subjecting his youngest child to death by torture in order to provide "atonement" for the misbehavior of his older kids.

On the other hand, sigh, maybe he'd volunteer to help out with the torture.

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34. Comment #57967 by Duff on July 22, 2007 at 5:22 pm

NJS,
Not exactly a moron, please. At least he has made a positive step in the right direction. You probably don't understand how completely enthralling a religious concept can be and how difficult it is to cast it aside. He should be stroked a bit, not insulted for having made not a step, but a huge stride.
Anyone who comes over to the rationalist side should be lauded.

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35. Comment #58019 by dvespertilio on July 23, 2007 at 3:01 am

Re 35. Comment #57967 by Duff
Yes, religious concepts are powerfully enthralling, like meme viruses of the mind. And why is this? Neurologically, the religion complexes engage people from birth with all their sensory modalities, using powerful images, art, music, sexualitiy, anxiety, joy, bliss, in short every kind of human experience of feeling and consciousness, to inculcate themselves. More than thirty years ago there was a school of psychotherapy called Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP) which posited that any behaviour could be broken down into its component parts and be taught or transmitted to others by engaging individuals in their dominant sensory modalities and using techniques like mirroring body stances, expressions, etc and reflexively shaping conversations by keying them directionally with imagery couched in sensory images that were observably appealing to the subject being programmed. At least one of the founders of that process went on to become a kind of educational/psychological consultant and made a huge amount of money. This is also, I believe, similar in its roots to much of L Ron Hubbard's Scientology. He, of course, developed similar methodologies in the 50's and 60's and linked them to his alien domination sci fi fantasy mythology, turning the whole thing into a highly profitable cult which initially was supposedly about freeing people from their psychic dysfunctions. I had passing acquaintance with Scientology inductees in LA and Oregon back in the 70's. So you see, all religious "cultuses", if you understand my coined word borrowed from academia, are "social mind cultures" of vast memeplex mind webs spidering their way through our minds. Only gentle, but firm and consistent confrontation with the empirical realities of existence can change these, and only then over fairly lengthy periods of time, assuming the individuals/groups involved are amenable to being in dialogue w/ others about their beliefs. Segue to various religiously-based terrorist groups or extremely radical and mentally deranged religious cults ( i.e. Jim Jones and Jonestown, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, etc), however, and you have a recipe for mayhem and disaster. Wahabist Islamic fundamentalist terrorist w/ control of, say, Pakistan's nuclear arsenal would be a nightmare of apocalyptic proportions. Equally bad are the Left Behind Rapturists of the West, particularly the American variety, who would egage the Muslim variety in the their mutual self delusions and blow us all to, to use the old religious expression, "kingdom come".

Regards,

Michael Edward Davis
dvespertilio@bellsouth.net

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36. Comment #58155 by Cycik on July 23, 2007 at 6:04 pm

Unfortunately the feed back section limits comments to 300 characters. I did however add this comment:

"I tried for a long time to hold on to some spiritual ideal, and rationalize it as best I could. Finally I rationalized the even if god was a delusion there were benefits to believing My beliefs for even this are gone. They perished in the dust of the twin towers on 9/11."

No space to add that it was Richard Dawkins' article in the Guardian "It's time to stand up." Is finally what convinced me.

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37. Comment #58160 by Mercury on July 23, 2007 at 6:30 pm

I can relate to this fellow. I have recently lost the faith after giving in to reason and logic through science. There is a void, yes, but it is gradually being filled with the awe and wonder of the universe. I hope Lobdell can come to see this.

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38. Comment #58635 by ReasonIsMyHumeboy on July 25, 2007 at 2:12 pm

I think the majority of you are missing the beauty of this story. Perhaps because it's no fault of your own, but I followed much the same path as this man. The difference is that I determined I'd completely abandoned faith around the time I was 15. I've grown up in the South (Arkansas), in the middle of the Bible Belt. I was at a challenging stage in my life when I truly searched for something transcendent or supernatural.

I went to the weekend retreats. I went to Bible study. But since childhood, the idea of hell never sat well in my mind. It scared me enough to give me nightmares. Furthermore, I had a basic grasp on the logical inconsistencies of the Christian faith as a 12 year old. Therefore, I empathize with this story more than obviously many of you have. When you make a decision like we did--that you're not a person of faith, you're abandoning the lifestyle you've spent years maintaining. At first it's scary. You no longer have your favorite pastor to call for emotional support. People you once thought of as friends can't find the compassion to pick up when you call. Your basic foundation for your life crumbles. Understand that this man has just begun his journey, a journey of discovery, reason, intelligence, science.

I tell my friends that finding out you're an atheist is much akin to discovering you have a terminal illness. You can either love the life you have and try to make it enjoyable for yourself, your loved ones, and your environment, or you can take the negative path, often leading to drug and/or alcohol abuse or, even worse, suicide.

When the author used the term "gift" concerning faith, he used it tongue-in-cheek. It's a gift to some people, but for people like us, we'd rather have a lump of coal. Think of the saying that ignorance is bliss. The statement is true, but I couldn't live life happily without knowing I'll forever be able to further my knowledge.

It's only after a few years that resentment begins to set in. I tremble in anger when I recount the talks I'd had with pastors, realizing now how hateful, racist, and arrogant they are. Now, I take any chance I get to try to enlighten my friends who think "it's not that big 'a deal." ... Shit, I think that's all I have. How's that for a first post?

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39. Comment #58636 by Corylus on July 25, 2007 at 2:28 pm

 avatarReasonIsMyHumeboy

That's great for a first post :)

Plus anyone who mentions Hume is fine by me.

I never had to go through the really tough disullisionment stage that so many on here have to. So I am afraid that I do not really understand...

However, I think you might find some interesting comments on the 'converts corner' part of this website. Top left hand side.

Best.

C.

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40. Comment #58792 by automath on July 26, 2007 at 6:37 am

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phasmagigas
She is of course like this because thats just in her nature but for me it was the assurance of her faith that somehow was the support rod of her flaws.


That's interesting, I sometimes get mistaken for a religious person, even though I wear no such trinkets. Not that there is usually any like mistake made when I attempt to write about religion.

You say that she is like this because of her nature, but what is this nature you talk of, I've come to see in my life that my nature is a combination of habit, belief, mood and emotion, to name the major factors, each affecting the other in ways I've not fully mastered. But what I wanted to say was that I suspect that your hunch about her faith being the support rod of her flaws, is accurate.

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41. Comment #58897 by ReasonIsMyHumeboy on July 26, 2007 at 2:52 pm

It's much easier to see the idiocy of your beliefs from an outside perspective. But where I live is an entirely different place. I have no friends who are atheists. They're not all bible-thumpers, but if asked, they'd say they believe in God. People who once loved you look at you in disgust; it's only later that you realize those people didn't really love you in the first place.

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42. Comment #58971 by Canuck#1 on July 26, 2007 at 7:42 pm

 avatarReading this article and my life flashed before me...a slightly different journey, but it started from the same place and arrived at the same destinstion...grew up "saturated" in Christianity...the entire week devoted to it...3 times on Sunday,during the week, prayer meeting, youth group...at school Youth for Christ...eventually landed at Bible school...graduated a lay preacher and prayer leader...BUT...at the core of me...restless, dissatisfied,unhappy, embarrassed...who knew why, I just knew I was unhappy...THEN...started to drift away, to question (not out Loud), to withdraw...at this point an emotional response...started to look for somethng else...felt I could find it in a more liberal church...when the dissaisfaction continued ...dawned on me it was Christianity itself...an epiphany...sort of like Saul (Paul) on the road to Damascus...I found writers and their web sites and thus individuals who felt like me..I moved to a rational view of who I am,how I got here, where I am going, and what my life means...and in the process found some peace...with only occasional flashbacks to heaven and hell. (Visit me at my blog (http://canuck12.blog.com) to read some of my new feelings and ideas.)

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43. Comment #64328 by weasel! on August 19, 2007 at 3:26 pm

"18. Comment #57881 by Beachbum: I was born an atheist...."

As were we all, Beachbum, as were we all! :)

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44. Comment #93339 by Aristokles on December 2, 2007 at 6:59 pm

Good article. Back in January 2005, after the tsunami disaster, the Irish Times' religious affairs correspondent publicly lost his faith. There were a good few letters on the subject and I think that the Catholic Church complained later complained about having a non-religious person cover the subject. (Would need to check that to be sure).
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It is hard to reconcile the concept of a personal, loving God with the tsunami grief, writes Patsy McGarry

So where is God in all of this? Where is the one of whom we were told he so loved the world he gave up his his only begotten son for its salvation?

Where was the God who knows when every sparrow falls, who has a count of every hair on our heads, while the tsunami drowned so many in that unmerciful baptism on December 26th?

Where was He when Aceh was washed away; when Phuket was laid waste, or while the coast of Sri Lanka drowned?

Where has He been to explain why any of this was unleashed in the first place?

Where has He been since, while human bodies stink and swell in the sun like further detritus among the flotsam and jetsam? Where has been the sacredness of human life in all of this?

Where has He been while heartbroken relatives walked through the stench of rotting corpses - their limbs steeled into grotesque shapes - striving desperately against time to find a loved one before burial has to take place? Where has He been when comfort was needed for survivors suffering guilt that they too were not swept away?

Where has He been as anxious relatives thousands of miles away cry their desperation and hope, knowing in their hearts it is all quite useless?

Where is the God of love in all of this? What have those who apologise for Him to say now?

By what logic will they blame humanity for this too, as they do with such ease for so much that is evil? Will they say¨, as the Victorians said of the Irish at the time of the Famine, that it is God's punishment on an indolent, feckless people?

Or will they find God in the outpouring of generosity and concern from people all over the world, trying so hard to alleviate the suffering of the innocents of south-east Asia, now being monsooned-upon too, to add to their misery?

Because with these apologists it is always the case that the good that is in humanity is God's, while the evil is peculiarly our own. Or will they tell us, once more, that it is all a mystery which we must accept - that it is the will of God?

As if we could accept a God who could will such a thing! What sort of God would drown so many thousands of people and condemn so many millions more to such extended misery? What sort of will is there?

Indeed, what sort of God would allow his son be crucified to appease his own anger?

What sort of God would they have us believe in?

Is He the God of the Old Testament, full of wrath and rage, returned more vengeful with His weapons of mass destruction to wreak havoc on a still ungrateful humanity?

And what is there to be grateful for in scraping an existence from the dirt of Sri Lanka? Or is that our fault too?

Is this a born-again old God? Is Aceh the new Sodom, Phukett a latter-day Gomorrah? But then even at the time of the Flood we are told Noah got advance notice of 40 days. They did not get even 40 seconds' warning in south-east Asia.

Will there be a born-again rush to democratise this autocrat and His arbitrary ways; to neutralise His weapons of mass destruction?

History suggests this is doubtful. It is so much easier to find ways of blaming us instead. It always has been.

Or those lofty theologians lost in arid, airless thought, will they tell us once more it all comes down to "the problem of suffering". QED?

That same "problem" which means we have no choice but to accept, as the will of God, the slow decline of a loved one into decrepit, cancerous death, or the disintegration before our very eyes of the soul of a person through Alzheimer's disease, or the unexpected death of a young person.

This is not "a problem" for anyone other than lofty theologians striving for perfect symmetry in the geometry of their doctrines. For most of us it is life, as lived.

And still others will, like the Grand Inquisitor in Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov, uphold faith at all costs, believing the people must be protected from the true awfulness of reality.

They are the ones who would bear the burden of truth, while demanding the rest of us occupy a Never-Never Shrekland. They are the ones who, because they assert, feel we must believe.

There is not a God I recognise anywhere in what has happened in south-east Asia. Either He/She/It doesn't exist, has never existed, or we have never understood Him/Her/It properly.

It is very hard to reconcile the concept of a personal, loving God with what we have witnessed and experienced since Christmas.

And as for this creation, well clearly that has been shown to be deeply flawed once again. It is not what one would expect from an omniscient, omnipotent, eternal being, - the Alpha and Omega of existence.

There was a story playwright Samuel Beckett used to tell of a man who went to a tailor to have a suit made. His measurements were taken and the man was told come back in a week.

He did so, to find the tailor had only begun to work on the suit. He was told to come back in another week, and still it wasn't finished. He was told to come back the following week.

"God made the world in six days and in over two weeks you can't make a suit," the man said. "Yes," said the tailor, ". . . and look at the world!" Indeed.

The tsunami of south-east Asia has lent credence to the melancholy view that all there is to this existence is the still, frequently sad music of humanity. Let's look after each other, as no one else will.

Patsy McGarry is Religious Affairs Correspondent of The Irish Times
© 2005 The Irish Times

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