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3. Comment #58250 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 6:31 am
There is an interesting clue to the motivation of these young women in the middle of this piece. One of them says, "My contact with books is gone. At home the only thing for me to do is take care of my parents. I clean the house. I cook."4. Comment #58254 by Philip1978 on July 24, 2007 at 6:49 am
5. Comment #58261 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 7:07 am
6. Comment #58264 by mad_monk on July 24, 2007 at 7:21 am
7. Comment #58266 by DC_Runner on July 24, 2007 at 7:23 am
So many millions of lives are being wasted on this lunacy. It's no wonder the predominantly Muslim countries are such basket cases.8. Comment #58267 by Philip1978 on July 24, 2007 at 7:28 am
9. Comment #58269 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 7:39 am
10. Comment #58274 by Philip1978 on July 24, 2007 at 8:10 am
11. Comment #58279 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 8:18 am
Quetzalcoatl:12. Comment #58280 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 8:27 am
13. Comment #58281 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 8:38 am
Wow, that's a proper religion. So which do you hate more, Spaniards or pigeons?14. Comment #58283 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 8:45 am
15. Comment #58285 by irate_atheist on July 24, 2007 at 8:45 am
16. Comment #58288 by logical on July 24, 2007 at 8:53 am
17. Comment #58289 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 8:55 am
18. Comment #58290 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 8:56 am
Gay crabs, serpents, lasers, beneficence, what's not to worship? When do I get my special thong?19. Comment #58291 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 9:00 am
20. Comment #58292 by heathen2 on July 24, 2007 at 9:04 am
21. Comment #58296 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 9:21 am
No thongs? How about a nice cassock?22. Comment #58298 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 9:24 am
23. Comment #58299 by jonecc on July 24, 2007 at 9:36 am
I'll do my best.24. Comment #58303 by Philip1978 on July 24, 2007 at 10:40 am
25. Comment #58308 by roach on July 24, 2007 at 11:16 am
I wonder, would I be an adherent of Islam and support suicide bombing if I had been born in the Middle East to Muslim parents? I'd like to think not. But that's probably untrue.26. Comment #58309 by Rtambree on July 24, 2007 at 11:22 am
25. Comment #58308 by roach on27. Comment #58311 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 11:25 am
28. Comment #58320 by NJS on July 24, 2007 at 12:42 pm
On the Panorama about integration a couple of months ago, a veiled moslem girl explained how this life was just a test to see if you were fit for paradise. As well as sharing the above poster's sadness at this it echoed an argument I've had which falls into the "how can you be so stupid and not realise its made up" category.29. Comment #58322 by Tobbe on July 24, 2007 at 12:53 pm
These people are just like my Viking ancestors. They too believed that if you died in batte you would go strait to heaven where you would sit at Odins table and eat pork and drink beer for eternity.30. Comment #58395 by steveroot on July 24, 2007 at 5:21 pm
19. Comment #58291 by Quetzalcoatl on July 24, 2007 at 9:00 am
Welcome to the fold. That's three worshippers on the RD site. You should now be feeling good about yourself and slightly amused. That is a sign of my beneficence shining upon you.
There are no special thongs, though. What do you think this is, the Catholic Church?
31. Comment #58403 by Dr Benway on July 24, 2007 at 5:40 pm
They too believed that if you died in battle you would go strait to heaven where you would sit at Odin's table and eat pork and drink beer for eternity.Tomorrow be Wodanstag! Let all remember how the Allfather hung for nine days, pierced by his own spear, on the world tree.
32. Comment #58414 by Nails on July 24, 2007 at 6:16 pm
33. Comment #58428 by geckoman on July 24, 2007 at 7:13 pm
The testimony of Miss Sarfraz is as Philip said desperate and heart breaking.34. Comment #58437 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Its roots: lack of opprtunity, institutionalised sexism, poverty, impressionability, indoctrination, lack of balanced education, msplaced idealism and the predatory nature of vitriolic religious men
35. Comment #58440 by geckoman on July 24, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Goldy36. Comment #58441 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Nope - we're doomed, I tell you, dooooooooomed!37. Comment #58444 by Goldy on July 24, 2007 at 9:06 pm
From Arabnews.com, a letter38. Comment #58448 by heathen2 on July 24, 2007 at 10:23 pm
39. Comment #58464 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 12:42 am
Make that FOUR! any deity with a good sense of humor is one I'll gladly grovel before... well, at least wear a proselytistic t-shirt!
40. Comment #58471 by Goldy on July 25, 2007 at 2:01 am
Well, if others aren't going to be too serious...41. Comment #58478 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 2:19 am
42. Comment #58556 by posiedon on July 25, 2007 at 7:23 am
43. Comment #58559 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 7:32 am
44. Comment #58620 by heathen2 on July 25, 2007 at 12:00 pm
45. Comment #58630 by Jiten on July 25, 2007 at 1:09 pm
46. Comment #58632 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 1:53 pm
47. Comment #58633 by swamijie on July 25, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Coming from a strongly Islamic background, I can tell you, first hand, that many of the assertions made here are correct in that what is happening is total indoctrination, which eventually morphs into brainwashing, or even Stockholm syndrome in some cases. The problem in Islam is that education is often viewed to be synonymous, as are just about all aspects of polity and personal life, with religion. I once knew someone who was indoctrinated by this crap who told me that "Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life" and that just about sums up the sentiment taught at these institutions. I've heard this or similar attitudes repeated often, and, the more extreme aspects of this "way of life" teaches that this life is only but a "train ride" into the next and the determination of whether a person's stop is "paradise" or "hell" is how they conduct themselves on the train ride. For many of these individuals, the train ride sucks and they're not, by religious edict, allowed to jump off the train (suicide), so, they end up acting crazy so they can get thrown off the train (suicide bombing, violence in the name of the religion and violent death which equals martyrdom). One phenomenon that we're witnessing is that more and more individuals, are being convinced that this life is not worth living which appears to be a result of the fact that modernity is incompatible with certain visions of Islamic life.48. Comment #58634 by Goldy on July 25, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Not to worry about indoctrination - name is too hard to pronounce after a few libatory beers... ;-)49. Comment #58770 by irate_atheist on July 26, 2007 at 4:13 am
50. Comment #58772 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 4:22 am
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1. Comment #58247 by Philip1978 on July 24, 2007 at 6:16 am
"In heaven you get everything without hardship," explained Miss Sarfraz, daughter of a bus driver. "In heaven, if a martyr feels hungry, food appears, the best quality food, and you won't even know where it came from"
and it makes me feel ill
Religion and its promise of afterlife really annoys me, what is so wrong with this life? Don't these people ever connect the hardships they are going through are the direct result of their religion and if they gave it up and used common sense their lives would improve? Do they not connect their 14th century existence is a result of adhering to a 8th century book? No they don't and that is what makes me so numb and powerless to do anything about it, I hope things change, I really do
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