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I rememeber sitting for a seminar by some swami when I was young. He told us that the 'Om' had secret capacities to heal and so on. He also said, 'Om is the only syllable which required the use of your lungs,tongue and teeth together.3. Comment #58550 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 7:05 am
I would venture to say that it is children's programming
4. Comment #58551 by Spinoza on July 25, 2007 at 7:08 am
5. Comment #58552 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 7:11 am
I was reading an article by Meera Nanda. In it, she talks of the postmodernist movement in India that is trying to blur the distiction between Hindutva and science. They claim the vedas to be scientific citing the guna theory as one of its acheivemnts. In actuality the guna theory is a joke. It states that the stuff of the world is divided into three types - positive gunna(symbolizing good things,vigour,excitement), negative guna(sybolising in-action, bad things) and neutral guna(things that don't fall under either catagory). And the claim? Yes you guessed it! The atomic theory. Apparently the saints had thought about the Bohr atom model thousands of years back. Too bad for you white folks.... it appears we brownies were lightyears ahead of you guys. :P .... I even heard that a Hindutva org in California is suing to Nodel prize committee for not giving credit for our Indian-vedic science.6. Comment #58557 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 7:25 am
well... the stories in Hinduism are too fantastic. There is not much scope for literalism.7. Comment #58562 by irate_atheist on July 25, 2007 at 7:34 am
8. Comment #58563 by Quetzalcoatl on July 25, 2007 at 7:40 am
9. Comment #58580 by Pieter on July 25, 2007 at 8:51 am
I agree, but one of the worst things about hinduism is, and always has been, the caste system. if there's a better example of how a religion is used as a method of social coercion i'd like to hear it.10. Comment #58584 by heathen2 on July 25, 2007 at 9:10 am
11. Comment #58586 by 82abhilash on July 25, 2007 at 9:11 am
Hindus in US are a dispersed lot with varying beliefs and traditions and even languages (India has 18 official languages), but cut off from their homeland, they may homogenize into a single unit and this article seems to indicate.12. Comment #58588 by wendelin on July 25, 2007 at 9:23 am
I'd actually argue that the caste system is not part of hinduism-the-religion but of hinduism-the-culture, but most Hindus would not see the two as separate. So yes, I agree: social coersion (long ago - to stick to one's family trade, to commit suicide in your husband's funeral pyre; today - to marry the person of your family's choice) is Hinduism's worst aspect.13. Comment #58592 by Steven Mading on July 25, 2007 at 9:56 am
In general I find it rather annoying when people attribute something embarassing in a religion to the "culture" and not the "religion", because they aren't that easy to separate. Religions evolve from the culture, and culture evolves from the relgion. They become intertwined so deeply that they really aren't two different things anymore. The religion is a mechanism for preserving the culture in people's minds, by making people think traditional beliefs and traditional viewpoints are ethically superior to new ones.14. Comment #58597 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 10:22 am
And you'll never find hindus speaking out against theories of astronomy or physics or concepts like evolution, either, mostly because this is one religion that gets the time scales of the universe right. Hindus are used to the idea of millions and billions of years
15. Comment #58598 by ericcolumba on July 25, 2007 at 10:33 am
16. Comment #58603 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 10:47 am
Hinduism has better PR only because it is a national religion and the harm and stupidity and opression of Hinduism is confined within India's border unlike prostylizing religions like Islam and Christianity which seek to convert the world. In that sense Hinduism is much less dangerous, but it is no less bad if you live under it. The downside is that it is even more closely tied to nationalism,--another irrational belief which arguably do as much harm if not more than religion.17. Comment #58604 by Duff on July 25, 2007 at 10:55 am
A fairy tale is a fairy tale is a fairy tale. If it's meta-physical, it's a fairy tale. It doesn't matter what its name is. Get over it.18. Comment #58605 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 11:03 am
Not all fairy tales are harmful, I am not saying Hinduism is a harmless fairy tale, it is clear from my posts above. But it is just plain silly to say fairy tales are somehow immoral or bad just because they are fairy tales and they are all equally bad because they are equally false as if only the truth value (truth and falsehood) of religion matters. This is the kind of dogmatic atheism that I spoke against on other threads, it is shallow and unnuanced.19. Comment #58607 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 11:24 am
Your wrong there Bonzai.... Vishnu is only part of the trinity of Gods.20. Comment #58608 by heathen2 on July 25, 2007 at 11:25 am
21. Comment #58609 by heathen2 on July 25, 2007 at 11:28 am
22. Comment #58611 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 11:30 am
Well a BSc or Diploma... Me not sure. But its a degree subject in some universities thanks to the BJP govt.23. Comment #58612 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 11:32 am
The prevalance of charlatans God-men(women) is another vice.24. Comment #58614 by Spinoza on July 25, 2007 at 11:36 am
P.S. Contrary to common misunderstanding Hinduism is a actually a monotheistic religion. All the different Hindu Gods are manifestations of one God,--Vishnu. It is like electricty and magnetism are different sides to the same underlying phsyical phenomenon.
25. Comment #58616 by the_assayer on July 25, 2007 at 11:44 am
Ah yes... Spinoza. Not to mention that he got one of his five heads chopped of for sleeping during the creation process.wait!!.... hmmm... me not too sure about this story either. I'll ask my mom and clarify it for those who are interested.26. Comment #58619 by Corylus on July 25, 2007 at 11:56 am
27. Comment #58621 by heathen2 on July 25, 2007 at 12:04 pm
28. Comment #58622 by Spinoza on July 25, 2007 at 12:06 pm
29. Comment #58623 by steveroot on July 25, 2007 at 12:16 pm
19. Comment #58622 by Spinoza on July 25, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Lol. Corylus, "summer camp" does not necessarily have anything to do with "camping".
30. Comment #58627 by Fire1974 on July 25, 2007 at 12:29 pm
In my youth, I had the pleasure of going to:31. Comment #58631 by Corylus on July 25, 2007 at 1:50 pm
32. Comment #58650 by geckoman on July 25, 2007 at 3:40 pm
I'm a Brit visiting Illinois at the moment and must thank you guys for clearing up this summer camp/summer school business, as I was wondering about it.33. Comment #58658 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 4:35 pm
People can now get a BSc in Astrology
34. Comment #58661 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Spinoza wrote:But the metaphysics developed around it is much closer to Spinoza's... which is far closer to modern QM than say, Leibniz's Monads.
35. Comment #58844 by fallenone on July 26, 2007 at 11:42 am
36. Comment #59066 by heathen2 on July 27, 2007 at 6:58 am
37. Comment #59076 by the_assayer on July 27, 2007 at 7:45 am
In India its BSc. But I'm guessing that was joke.. :D38. Comment #103495 by Madhav on December 25, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Hi, I was a Hindu for the first 22 years of my life. During my late teens I became a fundamentalist (yes, there is such a thing as Hindu fundamentalist). Now, thanks to people like Richard Dawkins and Ayn Rand, I am an atheist. Finally, I would like to point out that Hinduism is as dangerous as Islam and can be as fundamentalist and evil as any other cult/religion. Be warned. The caste system is the least of Hinduism's problems. The founder of the above mission was a fundamentalist.Send a letter to the editor of the original media outlet.
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1. Comment #58547 by _J_ on July 25, 2007 at 6:59 am
Strange how little sympathy the 'Science gets results' argument garners with Christians, isn't it?
Mind, it doesn't take a biblical expert to spot that 'consistency' is not foremost among Christianity's virtues.
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