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3. Comment #58662 by RonnieG on July 25, 2007 at 4:42 pm
"Which leaves the believer affirming that since God is all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful, God must have made the best Universe that it is possible to make."4. Comment #58667 by Bonzai on July 25, 2007 at 4:59 pm
I can write a much shorter piece:5. Comment #58672 by Goldy on July 25, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Damn, took the letters right out of my keyboard! :-)6. Comment #58674 by Kakashi_monkey on July 25, 2007 at 5:22 pm
7. Comment #58680 by BT Murtagh on July 25, 2007 at 6:30 pm
8. Comment #58685 by justin willemse on July 25, 2007 at 7:06 pm
final words of the pilgims before they crashed- Holy Mary! Mother of God! We are all going to die!!!! Their prayers were answered..9. Comment #58692 by steveroot on July 25, 2007 at 7:50 pm
For reasons known only to God, the world is as it is.
10. Comment #58720 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 12:53 am
Which leaves the believer affirming that since God is all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful, God must have made the best Universe that it is possible to make.
Sometimes personal pain and suffering may eclipse the vision of God but the faithful wait for the light to return; this holding on to faith is the virtue of hope.
11. Comment #58721 by Corylus on July 26, 2007 at 12:56 am
Our first response to such tragedies is the same for atheist and theist alike: we want to help.
12. Comment #58725 by irate_atheist on July 26, 2007 at 1:35 am
13. Comment #58727 by rokort on July 26, 2007 at 2:08 am
God must have made the best Universe that it is possible to make. The interplay between human freedom, the laws of nature and the love of God is the right mix
14. Comment #58733 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 2:22 am
Now i know what's happening: though we can see 'em, theists are living in a different universe!
15. Comment #58735 by ScienceBreath on July 26, 2007 at 2:28 am
What a truly revolting piece of crap. I feel embarrassed for the writer that he, as an adult, would willingly submit this nonsense for publication.16. Comment #58736 by NJS on July 26, 2007 at 2:34 am
If the coach had plunged down the ravine but somehow the people had survived, it would of course been a miracle of God looking after his faithful - they died so whats the response?17. Comment #58737 by CJ22 on July 26, 2007 at 2:37 am
18. Comment #58749 by Tyler Durden on July 26, 2007 at 3:26 am
Boxing Day tsunami in 2004 that killed 200,000 people evoked a tidal wave of generosity.
19. Comment #58751 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 3:36 am
Which leaves the believer affirming that since God is all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful, God must have made the best Universe that it is possible to make.
20. Comment #58752 by BillySands on July 26, 2007 at 3:37 am
why then, why pilgrims, why?
21. Comment #58754 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 3:39 am
why then, why pilgrims, why?
22. Comment #58755 by BillySands on July 26, 2007 at 3:40 am
An Omnipotent God, and THIS WORLD is the best he can do?
23. Comment #58795 by steveroot on July 26, 2007 at 7:00 am
24. Comment #58821 by hungarianelephant on July 26, 2007 at 8:29 am
25. Comment #58823 by DC_Runner on July 26, 2007 at 8:50 am
An interesting title: "How could God allow 26 pilgrims to die ..."26. Comment #58824 by Quetzalcoatl on July 26, 2007 at 8:53 am
27. Comment #58832 by Henri Bergson on July 26, 2007 at 10:46 am
28. Comment #58848 by DarwinsPitbull on July 26, 2007 at 11:52 am
It's funny he mentions the book of Job but misses a very important part of the story. The reason god takes job's health, wealth and family away from him is because he has a wager going with the devil. So the real point of the story is that god's ego is the only thing god cares about. That is a terrible story to use to try and make a point about suffering and pain and why god lets it happen. Apparently the author of this article never really read the story, probably just heard it from a preacher who cut out the section where it says god does those terrible things to job over a bet.29. Comment #58887 by Duff on July 26, 2007 at 2:27 pm
God didn't kill those pilgrims! There was an unbeliever in that group who God wanted to kill and he did. The rest killed themselves because they didn't have the foresight to resolve that an unbeliever was amongst them. Don't lay their lack of clarity at God's feet. Dammit.30. Comment #58975 by Damien White on July 26, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Christian grief makes a mockery of their entire belief system. If they truly believed in their religion, they would celebrate death as the moment upon which the deceased achieved that which they had worked towards their whole lives.31. Comment #59127 by PaulJ on July 27, 2007 at 1:16 pm
For reasons known only to God, the world is as it is. We are invited to join in God's creative act of world-making which we now know is not a seven-day wonder but a continuous bringing to birth. To hold on to this vision in the face of injustices and natural disasters is the very act of faith; it is to believe that caring for victims and striving for a just society are the very heart of life.Very nice. Very comforting. And totally devoid of reason. I offer this slightly amended version: "To hold on to this vision in the face of injustices and natural disasters is the very act of utter denial..."
32. Comment #59183 by scottishgeologist on July 28, 2007 at 1:09 am
33. Comment #59189 by Rtambree on July 28, 2007 at 3:37 am
I don't see what the mystery is for a Christian. God loved the victims so much He called them to be with Him. Surely being in heaven is much better than being on Earth with taxes, wars, suffering, cancer, Paris Hilton, etc.34. Comment #59190 by Wadsworth on July 28, 2007 at 3:43 am
It is useless trying to give a reasoned response to such rubbish as this article; a better way is to dismiss it with the contempt it deserves. No wonder atheists exist if the alternative is Theism.35. Comment #59195 by Logicel on July 28, 2007 at 4:23 am
36. Comment #59199 by keith on July 28, 2007 at 7:07 am
37. Comment #59200 by Russell Blackford on July 28, 2007 at 7:47 am
Earthquakes are natural evils. They are not moral evils. In this context, "an evil" is just something we regard as bad (because it kills people, causes suffering, or whatever). Of course, when we describe people or their actions as "evil", we are usually thinking of moral evil. When an earthquake or something is called a "natural evil", the point is being made that it was a bad thing to happen but not something that involved moral fault.38. Comment #59510 by Duff on July 29, 2007 at 9:44 am
RonnieG, you call those believing, religious people who cannot fathom an imperfect world created by a perfect god, "dumbasses". They are not dumbasses! They are Dumb Asses!! Lets get our facts straight!39. Comment #59603 by keith on July 29, 2007 at 10:26 pm
40. Comment #62115 by steveroot on August 8, 2007 at 8:10 am
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1. Comment #58659 by decius on July 25, 2007 at 4:37 pm
How do we know that they were good people? Assuming as much, just because they were on their way to worship someone else's hallucination, doesn't seem very rational.
Much more likely that they were a bunch of homophobic bigots, like the majority of Polish catholics.
Too cynical? Who cares.
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