1. Comment #58937 by Mel Z on July 26, 2007 at 5:59 pm

Yoou've got to be kidding . He just skipped over all the posts that were AGAINST the bible burnings, (I know, I was one of them) and just assumed RD was in favor of this. Knowing christians and their "fact finding" ways, they'll eat this right up and send these jackasses money to help fight their "spiritual battle".

I weep for humanity.

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2. Comment #58939 by windfall on July 26, 2007 at 6:01 pm

Shame on you, Richard, for creating an open forum, where some people can express views that others may disagree with! It would be better if everyone were muzzled, bound in a straight-jacket and force fed religious gobbledy-gook.

Excellent response from Colbert!

I, for one, am not planning on burning or recycling my bible; I need it as a reference to refute crazy christians with their own text. Though, I will steadfastly defend anyone's right to do so. Just as I staunchly defend anyone's right to burn a copy of the Iliad (though it would grieve me, as it is great literature).

Burning a church is an idiotic and psychopathic thing to do or even consider. I'm not saying this because bible-boy wants me to disassociate myself from people who suggest such things. I'm saying it because it is an idiotic and psychopathic thing to do or even consider. Besides, many of them are being made into snazzy condos these days.

Bible-boy, don't even make us show you what many of your christian buddies post on this site. Oh, they're not true christians, you say? Oh, well, that's funny. The posters you mentioned aren't 'true' atheists. Whatever that might mean.

I loved listening to him choke over the word 'Torah'. That was priceless.

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3. Comment #58942 by Henri Bergson on July 26, 2007 at 6:05 pm

Commit it to the flames!

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4. Comment #58944 by bluebird on July 26, 2007 at 6:12 pm

Wonder if his 'dogtag' is Armed Forces I.D., or a "military chic" tag.

Humourous how he refers to the Christian bible
as the "regular" bible.

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5. Comment #58946 by Nails on July 26, 2007 at 6:15 pm

RD is a moderate now?
Hell, i thought that idiots like this usually described him as a fundamentalist!!
Leader of the atheist movement?
And why do you have a right to worship anyway?
The point about banning the bible as it preaches religious hatred and a homophobia is a valid one.
Le's not forget that people like this are used to cherry-picking waht they want and are used to censorship.
Again, the comments (not opinions, just a simple comment whether meant in jest or not is irrelevant) of one or two people becomes the manifesto of the many - talk about blind...
And this folks, is what we are dealing with here.
And wasn't that song crap as well.

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6. Comment #58948 by kurzweilfreak on July 26, 2007 at 6:17 pm

Wow, what a moron. Where to start...

Folks, this is what we're dealing with. They want to burn our bibles.

Noooo, they want to burn THEIR bibles, which is perfectly legal and there's nothing this guy or anyone else can do about it.

They want to burn our churches.

Either he's deliberately missing the sarcasm on purpose in the idea that burning churches would be considered less an atrocity than burning bibles, or this guy is really thick. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out which.

This is clearly a battle we are in.

Indeed, this is a battle that we've been in for the last 2000 years. You poor, prosecuted Christians![/sarcasm]

The parts about us wanting to make it illegal and take away their right to worship is just rich. I'd like a cited example of this. Last I heard, there are tons of places for them to do their little worshipping. They're called churches. Do it there. Why is that not good enough? Oh, they want to do it in public also? How about we gather up a bunch of atheists to disrupt their church services?

Why is it so difficult for these people to understand the idea of "keep it to yourself, we don't want it."?

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7. Comment #58949 by Nails on July 26, 2007 at 6:25 pm

Exactly! the KKK and the Nazis were both notorious for allowing people to express unpopular views in an open and free forum

Brilliant.

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8. Comment #58950 by Thinkingmom on July 26, 2007 at 6:26 pm

I can't believe YouTube allows this kind of stuff on their website...

Life must be hard when you're easily baited, and I mean that for both theists and atheists. Kurzweilfreak's last line says it best as far as I'm concerned!

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9. Comment #58952 by He-man Daunted World on July 26, 2007 at 6:31 pm

He skipped the line about "the strong anti-burning response here" at the top of the screen he's reading

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10. Comment #58954 by Bonzai on July 26, 2007 at 6:34 pm

Maybe someone should made a video by pasting together the racier passages from the bible so that the public would know what these fundis believe.

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11. Comment #58955 by Rtambree on July 26, 2007 at 6:36 pm

There may even be a second twist on this, that Christian Trolls themselves are posting the most extreme comments caricaturing atheists and then other Christians get outraged and think it's "official atheist policy".

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12. Comment #58956 by Russell's Teapot on July 26, 2007 at 6:36 pm

Note that they disabled ratings after 15 of them resulted in an average of 1 star :)

I really don't think that these right wing Christian types understand the concept of an open forum for discussing ideas. There's this guy, the story Colbert talked about, and the other day on O'Reilly's radio show, he scoffed at a woman who called in and said that university students need to be exposed to ideas and decide for themselves what to believe.

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13. Comment #58957 by Russell Blackford on July 26, 2007 at 6:46 pm

All that said, talk of burning bibles and churches is idiocy, however humorous or ironic it is supposed to be.

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14. Comment #58958 by BicycleRepairMan on July 26, 2007 at 6:47 pm

Why do we even bother trying to argue with these morons. 99% of the posts he read there was bad half-jokes and sarcasm. I guess a brain created in one day might have trouble with those of us who have evolved over millions.

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15. Comment #58959 by jonecc on July 26, 2007 at 6:50 pm

On their website, they have issued a challenge to anyone who can refute the Bible, which they claim to be inerrant.

This seems on the face of it to be a rash claim, and I've emailed to accept their challenge. I'm waiting to hear back from them, so I'll keep you posted.

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16. Comment #58960 by oarwhat on July 26, 2007 at 6:51 pm

thinkingmom, post 58590:
try and post an anti religious vid on u-tube, and see how fast they pull it, even if it happens to be the truth. yet they allow this dribble. Colbert is good on this one though.

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17. Comment #58963 by BAEOZ on July 26, 2007 at 7:01 pm

I have to agree with Russell. I know posts about burning Bibles and churches are just having a bit of fun. But Fundamentalists, almost by definition, don't get irony. Everything seems to be literal to them. So, I guess if you post the most humorous diatribe with tongue firmly in cheek; the godbots will interpret it as literal. Sad really, but that's the mentality we seem to have to tackle. Of course, I could and often have no idea what I'm talking about. So feel free to ignore or ridicule me. :)

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18. Comment #58964 by Bonzai on July 26, 2007 at 7:07 pm

Where is Mind_Rebel?

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19. Comment #58966 by PrimeNumbers on July 26, 2007 at 7:09 pm

I think the maker of the video should remember that he who is without sin should cast the first stone.... The christians are well known for their book burning, and library burning (something I can never forgive them for).

The fact is, that their Bible is full of the nastiest type of hate crime propoganda there is, and if it didn't have it's status as the chosen holy book of christians it would have been banned or only released in edited form.

That they are so insecure in there religion and get worried by some mis-interpreted forum posts shows how truly feeble their mental state must be.

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20. Comment #58968 by celticcrossfire on July 26, 2007 at 7:23 pm

Wow. I'm lost for words.

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21. Comment #58969 by windfall on July 26, 2007 at 7:24 pm

I've been thinking more on this. This could be a good thing. He referred people to RichardDawkins.net several times. Richard, maybe you'll get a convert or two out of this.

Also, while I agree that most holy-rollers don't get irony (it's one of the subroutines in the programming), our response should NOT be to stop being ironic. That said, many people who post on this site make extremely straightforward, non-ironical statements all the time, so it's not like we're all just a bunch of cat-calling jerks or something.

Irony helps us maintain our sanity in this crazy world of exhausting religious zealotry.

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22. Comment #58970 by PrimeNumbers on July 26, 2007 at 7:28 pm

They've had 2000 years without serious criticism, and now they complain. They've got to go out and meet us on the rational battlefield, or accept that their beliefs are 2000 years out of date and are about as sane as the flat earthers.

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23. Comment #58972 by VinceMcD on July 26, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Wow!...Just ...Wow!

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24. Comment #58974 by Fire1974 on July 26, 2007 at 8:24 pm

I think it's great that there are Fundamentalist Christians reading this right now.
I would like to be the first to formally invite them to the table. WELCOME!!!
Don't worry, Richard Dawkins will "allow" you to post whatever crazy crap you want you want.

Example: All of us atheists will roast in the fires of Hell for all eternity because of our unrepentant transgressions unto your vendictive, hateful, pathetic and imaginary God.

See... Still here.

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25. Comment #58976 by Algebratheist on July 26, 2007 at 8:38 pm

what...the...fuck

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26. Comment #58982 by will young on July 26, 2007 at 9:10 pm

This had to come from my neighborhood…I walk amongst bug wits.

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27. Comment #58984 by hasty toweling on July 26, 2007 at 9:14 pm

More memes in action. Everything this man disagrees with is the work of an invisible, malevolent being named Satan. This meme works in conjunction with the "belief without evidence is a virtue" idea. The two mutually support one another.

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28. Comment #58985 by Bonzai on July 26, 2007 at 9:25 pm

If it is ok to satirize Mohamad(which I think it is ), what's the big deal about burning the bible?

At least atheists don't burn people like the Church did.

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29. Comment #58986 by Dr Benway on July 26, 2007 at 9:26 pm

Silly gits with their chicken little hysterics. Why jump to conclusions about stuff on these Interwebs, when you can message or email someone for clarification?.

That's what I'd do anyway. That way, if I read something that was mere reductio ad absurdum, or parody, or silliness, that I was in danger of taking the wrong way, I'd be saved the trouble of a needless freak out.

There's a reason journalists check hearsay before quoting it.

As far as I know, if you buy any book with your own cash, you can burn it. You can't take someone else's book and burn that. These boys alleged that "the atheists" want to take other people's Bibles. But that wasn't my impression from the post they quoted.

Enough wool in those heads for a couple of sweaters.

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30. Comment #58988 by doglived on July 26, 2007 at 9:35 pm

Math check

Statistics: Total posts 322675 • Total topics 18149 • Total members 11900

He quotes 3. A clear, overwhelming statistical sample that indicates ... he doesn't care about statistics.

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31. Comment #58989 by Hobbit on July 26, 2007 at 9:36 pm

Another hypocritical faith head!

He accuses RD of endorsing everything written on this forum. However, the below was taken directly from the Righteous Response Squad Ministries terms and conditions when you register for their forum.

Note that it is impossible for the staff or the owners of this forum to confirm the validity of posts. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages, and as such, are not responsible for the content contained within. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information presented. The posted messages express the views of the author, and not necessarily the views of this forum, its staff, its subsidiaries, or this forum's owner.

I pretty sure RD's site has a very similar policy when you register. He seems to have overlooked that small fact.

RD, as our leader, how do you want us to respond to this abomination? Shall we burn another Bible or just send the witches over to curse them.

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32. Comment #58990 by Dr Benway on July 26, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Their own stupidity seems punishment enough. Is "Torah" really that hard to pronounce?

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33. Comment #58991 by obscured by clouds on July 26, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Demystifying christians

So here is yet another attempt, and once you hear the facts their twist straitens out. The thread in question is here;
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=183496#p183496

I went through this thread all 86 post in 5 pages. I counted up the responses. Here is a break down;

There were 8 in favor.

45 post strongly against such an idea.

About 33 OT comments or the OP posting trying in vain to support his views.

Even the OP eventually started to recant his position once it was apparent that there was no support for his stupid idea.

Once again our community has spoken with a clear voice on this subject. Great job!

So why did they ignore ALL of that and quote mined, cheery picked the parts that they wanted. They dismissed ALL of the other post that contradicted their view. Why do facts scare them so, they lie to themselves and to us.

Yet another christian myth demystified.

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34. Comment #58992 by Beachbum on July 26, 2007 at 9:44 pm

Holy crap!

Now you all know first hand the type of dialog I have been up against for 40 years. This parrot of a priori is a cookie cutter copy of every bone head I grew up with, but avoided. Unless confronted by the exuberant proselytising of some misguided Bible thumper.

Ok class, what was that video a beautiful exemplification of...?
Right! Cherry picking, very good.

Quote mining! Another good one.

You can quote me on this: Nothing scares this type of person more than a free exchange of ideas, nothing. A dissenting view, is a call to arms.

To show this type that the bible condones slavery is only a mild irritant, secretly they wish slavery would come back to favor, but publicly would only stumble over the concept much like the word "Torah" from the video.

They are typically homophobic to an extreme, but are glad their book doesn't speak clearly and directly to incest.

But most importantly, the two most heinous things this Fundamentalist represents is hypocrisy and illiteracy, I mean, what he "knows" about the bible, he did not read in the bible. He is a tape recorder for his preacher who told him what to think and what he "knows".

Yea, bible-boy, I come from your neck of the woods.

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35. Comment #58993 by Hobbit on July 26, 2007 at 9:55 pm

Dr Benway, it's not the "Torah", it's the "Jewish Bible", as opposed to the "Regular Bible" (sounds like something they sell in McSpew - "Would you like Jewish Fries, Regular Fries or for an extra $1 you can super size it to Koran Fries").

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36. Comment #58994 by Dr Benway on July 26, 2007 at 10:03 pm

Yeah Hobbit, you gotta laugh or you'd cry. What kind of life will boys like that ever have?

Trying to believe six impossible things before breakfast causes lasting damage to the brain, I'm afraid.

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37. Comment #58995 by Hobbit on July 26, 2007 at 10:14 pm

What kind of life will boys like that ever have?

A simple one full of guilt and hate!

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38. Comment #58996 by Roy_H on July 26, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Oh it is Satan's fault is it.. here we go again!
If you look in Youtube this guy is also going to single-handedly destroy the theory of evolution, even though by his own admission he "Does not pronounce some of the words real good". Richard, are you quaking in your boots...?

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39. Comment #58997 by doglived on July 26, 2007 at 10:39 pm

#58991 by obscured by clouds wrote:

I went through this thread all 86 post in 5 pages. I counted up the responses. Here is a break down;
There were 8 in favor.
45 post strongly against such an idea.
About 33 OT comments or the OP posting trying in vain to support his views.
Even the OP eventually started to recant his position once it was apparent that there was no support for his stupid idea.

Ok, let me do some fundamentalist-math [fath]. Let's see 8 for, 45 against.
8 x S = 11,900 for
45 x I = 0 against
Where S=satan multiplier and I=Ignorance, I didn't read them
You see it's a 100% majority!!! Clearly atheists are terrible at simple fath. What they didn't teach you fath in school? Well if fath shows that the world is 6000 years old it just as easily can show that all 11,900 member of this forum are pro-bible burning, anti-fath, anti-tor ... anti-toh ... anti-the-jewish-bible, pro-satan, and whatever else I want them to be.

Seriously, can you imagine being that man's child?

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40. Comment #58999 by alovrin on July 26, 2007 at 10:49 pm

This guy has set himself up as such an easy target. He is obviously barely literate and doesnt have a clue how to construct a decent argument. The only basis he has is some kind of dim perception of a imagined threat to something he believes as if his life depends on it. Yet I dont know how to feel towards him.
He really is a perfect example of the credulous who are exploited by the religious charlatans. Yet he is a danger to himself and others. He, and others like him, could go from feeling persecuted to a persecutor in a wink of an eye. And I blame religion again, but where will this lead?

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41. Comment #59005 by Quine on July 26, 2007 at 11:33 pm

I wonder how many posts the guy had to scan to find this small example? He doesn't strike me as the kind who reads very quickly. Perhaps there is a group out there who have divided up the task. If so, some light might start to shine on some of the others.

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42. Comment #59007 by obscured by clouds on July 26, 2007 at 11:38 pm

I noticed that he removed the options to respond. Good move on his part, saved himself from further embarrassment.

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43. Comment #59017 by pewkatchoo on July 27, 2007 at 1:42 am

Why do so many people not seem to know the difference between 'prosecute' and 'persecute'?

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44. Comment #59018 by CJ22 on July 27, 2007 at 1:46 am

"but are glad their book doesn't speak clearly and directly to incest."

On the contrary, the bible explicitly condones incest, so long as there's no other alternatives within easy reach. See Lot, God's poster-boy.

I feel sorry for this guy. His faith is an accident of birth, and it's combined with a simple wit and a fundementalist-without-the-complicated-bits education. Had he been born in a more enlightened part of the world, he'd be a dim but harmless and well-meaning member of society.

As it is, he spends his time lying, distorting and propagandizing on YouTube, because the people around him tell him he's doing Jesus' work. He's a victim too, and a classic example of how religion poisons everything.

His parents and his pastor should be ashamed of themselves.

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45. Comment #59024 by alovrin on July 27, 2007 at 2:26 am

Sorree pewkatshoe
from persecuted to prosecutor..

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46. Comment #59027 by gordon on July 27, 2007 at 2:35 am

Hmmm. Did he have humour removal operation when he was a youth? I actually felt embarrassed for him. Watching made me squirm. I hope in his day job he isn't a paediatrician or gynaecologist, which would be creepy. As for Dawkins being my leader, I don't have nor want one thank you. I don't belong to a party or faith or anything else but the animal kingdom and I resent being placed in a box my some moron in a silly cap. There are a lot of Americans who discuss on this site so the lack or irony thing can't be an American stereotype, it must just be small clusters of Muppets who are afflicted by this. We should show his mother this video so she can give him a good slap and tell him to get a girl/boyfriend to take his mind off the good book. Mind you, she was probably part of his indoctrination process.

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47. Comment #59028 by rokort on July 27, 2007 at 2:40 am

from the comments (which is now disabled) to the RighteousResponse Youtube movie:

redsky (5 days ago)
I am assuming that the terrorist actions being planned against Christians and Muslims on Richard Dawkin's website aren't supported by the majority of aethiests. I wonder what the BBC and the British press will say. Let's find out shall we?

Don't know much about this Redsky, but should we take this serious? Is this a one-man's idea or a more general feeling amongst "the attacked"?

O how i loathe this typically conservative abuse of language and the truth. Spreading fear seems to be their only bussiness sometimes.

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48. Comment #59030 by Shuggy on July 27, 2007 at 2:54 am

Could he just straighten up his webcam?

He obviously thinks RD controls our thoughts the way his pastor controls his.

Notice how me omitted the left hand side of the screen, where our names are, to make it look more unanimous?


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49. Comment #59032 by JanChan on July 27, 2007 at 2:57 am

Come on, give them some slack. These people obviously don't know what the Internet is, much less a forum. As you can see from the video, which person in the right mind would use a video camera to film a web site, especially since its possible to simply add the website as an image into the video itself? The irritating constant zooming will be absolutely unnecessary and the words shown will be clearer.

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50. Comment #59034 by LeeC on July 27, 2007 at 3:05 am

The man said it was disturbing so I wanted to turn off… then he mentioned Satan before I got hit the stop button

Am I going to hell?

Probably... I will listen some more.

Heard enough... what rubbish. Oh well, he also said he posted to all the major news networks, so I guess I will be watching on TV soon?

Doubt it...


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