The Out Campaign2. Comment #59765 by quicksilver on July 30, 2007 at 3:20 pm
3. Comment #59768 by Macho Nachos on July 30, 2007 at 3:23 pm
4. Comment #59769 by Happy Hominid on July 30, 2007 at 3:25 pm
5. Comment #59772 by Milton on July 30, 2007 at 3:34 pm
How about FIND OUT? The more you learn about how the world works the less likely you are to find a need for belief in the supernatural. Could also mean 'find out' more about how many atheists there actually are.6. Comment #59773 by Bonzai on July 30, 2007 at 3:40 pm
7. Comment #59778 by ricey on July 30, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Are you uncomfortable with this "A" stuff?8. Comment #59780 by theocide on July 30, 2007 at 4:00 pm
I have recently decided to come out. It is really scary because all my family are fundamentalists Christians. I can directly thank Richard Dawkins & Dan Barker for giving me the courage to come out and proclaim that I won't keep quite any more regarding my lack of belief in any gods.9. Comment #59782 by Henri Bergson on July 30, 2007 at 4:02 pm
10. Comment #59783 by CruciFiction on July 30, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Theocide,11. Comment #59786 by dazzjazz on July 30, 2007 at 4:11 pm
12. Comment #59787 by Morro on July 30, 2007 at 4:20 pm
13. Comment #59788 by Happy Hominid on July 30, 2007 at 4:25 pm
14. Comment #59789 by Sten on July 30, 2007 at 4:29 pm
I live in a working class estate in the north of the UK, and I can tell you that no one here discusses religion much - I mean there are lots of folks who have 'faith', but very few know the texts in the bible beyond what they remembered at Sunday school or at the morning prayers when they were at regular school. They don't want to come out or in. I reckon most folks just hope they can continue somehow after they've dropped dead. I think it's wishful thinking, but that's the way people are. My gut feeling is that many folks who 'believe' round here, will not be told (or persuaded), to believe or not believe, they just want the comfort of the faith thing. Personally I think it's time the human race got a grip and took it on the chin when they expire, but humans have huge ego's so that's not going to happen just yet. Roll on evolution.15. Comment #59790 by jaydon64 on July 30, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Good to see Aussies prepared to fight the good fight especially at our Universities, which are supposed to be places of higher education. Hope your voice was heard loud and clear Macho Nachos.16. Comment #59791 by firemancarl on July 30, 2007 at 4:39 pm
17. Comment #59792 by Damien White on July 30, 2007 at 4:42 pm
I've got a t-shirt winging it's way to me down here in Adelaide, The City Of Churches, and once it's arrived i'll be wearing it, and eagerly looking out for others!18. Comment #59793 by firemancarl on July 30, 2007 at 4:42 pm
19. Comment #59794 by Jack Rawlinson on July 30, 2007 at 4:42 pm
20. Comment #59795 by dhweaver on July 30, 2007 at 4:50 pm
21. Comment #59798 by USA_Limey on July 30, 2007 at 4:59 pm
22. Comment #59799 by Sten on July 30, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Folks - (FiremanCarl, Damien, Jack, DhWeaver, Macho, USA_Limey), you must be under siege out there from religious dogma etc. It's unknown where I live. I've been mulling over the idea of going to some church just see if there are any folks up here who actually believe in the actual literal word of the bible....I have no one on the ground out here to argue over religion with. It's soul destroying!! Cheers.23. Comment #59801 by Lil_Xunzian on July 30, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Thank Tlaloc I'm living to see all this go down. I really actually didn't even realize how big of a problem religion was in my own damn country (America) until I left Ct and went to college. Ct's famous for two things (aside from cash-monay and cuteness): Yale New Haven and the pharmaceutical companies (namely, Bayer, Pfizer, and Bristol-Myers Squibb). So, we had A LOT of scientists and doctors around, so religion didn't play a very big part in most people's lives, even if most people weren't out-and-out atheists. Research scientists, neurologists, neurosurgeons, neuropsychologists, regular psychologists, professors, etc. abounded! Then, however, I went to college and got acquainted with many of my schoolmates' religious beliefs, and my responses ranged from "you can't be serious" to "you must be joking." For me, part of college was about leaving the Ct-bubble and learning about what kind of country I lived in. It was my sophomore year when I started doing some research into the matter that I really began to realize how bad the evangelical infection is. And it was in my senior year that truly began to notice how nasty Catholicism and Catholics can be. I'm just thankful to Tlaloc that at the same time I was traumatized by the wretchedness of my countrymen that atheists took the next step. COME OUT!24. Comment #59802 by briantw on July 30, 2007 at 5:18 pm
Here's an example of what can be done. I attended Rock Against Religion here in South Africa. There were some people outside praying, but they got cold and went home. Other than that it was peaceful and, I think, productive.25. Comment #59804 by Jef on July 30, 2007 at 5:22 pm
26. Comment #59808 by Dr Benway on July 30, 2007 at 5:30 pm
27. Comment #59810 by Charlou on July 30, 2007 at 5:39 pm
28. Comment #59812 by _J_ on July 30, 2007 at 5:46 pm
29. Comment #59814 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:04 pm
I applaud those Americans who have decided to come "out" in the hard states, I understand how you feel.30. Comment #59815 by konquererz on July 30, 2007 at 6:04 pm
31. Comment #59819 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Good presentation Richard and diplomatically engineered to give the least offence whilst remaining firm on the main point; ever considered a political career?32. Comment #59820 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:33 pm
7. Comment #59776 by Déjà Fu33. Comment #59821 by neilcreek on July 30, 2007 at 6:34 pm
I support this idea 100% and I think it's long overdue.34. Comment #59822 by jonecc on July 30, 2007 at 6:35 pm
At last, a proper political campaign, and some inspiring words to get us going. Oh, it's not the end, it's not even the beginnning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning...35. Comment #59823 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:39 pm
8. Comment #59778 by ricey36. Comment #59824 by Bonzai on July 30, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Firstly, it's probably the case that atheists, like gay people, are on average better off,..
37. Comment #59825 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:51 pm
33. Comment #59815 by konquererz38. Comment #59826 by firemancarl on July 30, 2007 at 6:57 pm
39. Comment #59827 by Yorker on July 30, 2007 at 6:57 pm
39. Comment #59824 by Bonzai40. Comment #59828 by Richard Morgan on July 30, 2007 at 6:57 pm
I live in France, where declaring one's atheism doesn't interest anyone. Being opposed to the right to go on strike certainly attracts a lot of hostile reactions, but "not believing" something is just a non-subject for most (if not all) French people.41. Comment #59830 by firemancarl on July 30, 2007 at 6:59 pm
42. Comment #59831 by steve99 on July 30, 2007 at 7:01 pm
atheism is a choice rather than an orientation
43. Comment #59832 by Bonzai on July 30, 2007 at 7:05 pm
44. Comment #59833 by tuibguy on July 30, 2007 at 7:09 pm
45. Comment #59834 by Bonzai on July 30, 2007 at 7:15 pm
46. Comment #59835 by jonecc on July 30, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Bonzai:47. Comment #59837 by Russell Blackford on July 30, 2007 at 7:28 pm
I'm not sure why we make such a fuss about whether something is "a choice". One of the points often made against Pascal's wager (certainly by me) is that belief is not volitional (certainly not in any simple way). Indeed, this is one of the reasons why Christian doctrines of hellfire and damnation are so abhorrent: what strikes you as true is not a matter that you can simply choose.48. Comment #59838 by savagemickey on July 30, 2007 at 7:35 pm
I live in the Twin Cities where I own a restaurant. I find that I am constantly having to put up with god-talk from people who just assume that I too am a believer. The worst shift is Sunday brunch with all of the self satisfied churchies coming in. Since I am in the business of trying to get people to return often to spend their money at my place, I smile and put up with it and usually don't let on that I am an atheist.49. Comment #59839 by CruciFiction on July 30, 2007 at 7:38 pm
"Religious people still outnumber atheists, but not by the margin they hoped and we feared. I base this not only on conversations during my book tour and the book tours of my colleagues Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, but on widespread informal surveys of the World Wide Web. Not our own site, whose contributors are obviously biased, but, for example, Amazon, and YouTube whose denizens are reassuringly young." ~ RD50. Comment #59841 by Ohnhai on July 30, 2007 at 8:14 pm
1. Comment #59761 by ksskidude on July 30, 2007 at 3:08 pm
I understand that many have issues with the term Bright, but my local paper would not print anything I wrote with Atheist in it. So I altered it a bit, and got a response. They have confirmed that I wrote it, and said they plan on printing it. Only time will tell
I am a liitle nervous, but all in all pleased with what I have done.
Here is the Editorial I wrote,
What is a Bright you ask? According to the Brights Web site http://www.the-brights.net , a bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview. Whose worldview is free of supernatural and mystical elements. In a nutshell, we do not believe in a god or gods. Brights are individuals who do not think alike on many issues, and it is not our desire to press for conformity.
My journey to becoming a bright started long ago. I have always been skeptical and inquisitive. So when my questions about god or the bible were unanswered or answered with, "God works in mysterious ways," I would walk away frustrated, angry and dejected. As I became more educated I learned of many other religions and many other ways to view the world. With this knowledge I was forced conclude, they all can't be correct.
So who was right? Talk to a Christian and they will tell you, they have the one true path to God. Ask a Muslim, they will tell you that they have the one true path, etc.... This was no help either. So I read the bible, and the more I read, the more I was aghast at the cruelty and vengeance of God in the Old Testament. But when you are dead in the Old Testament, that was it. The New Testament God, while he has a great many lessons to teach, wants to punish you forever if you choose not to believe. This did not sound like a God of love to me.
All of this led me to become an agnostic. I felt that I could not prove whether god exists or not. Nor could anyone else for that matter. So agnosticism seemed the correct decision.
Then Amendment 2 (www.missouricures.com) became a huge issue in our state. I am a proponent and a staunch advocate for all forms of stem cell research, and was a member of the Missouri Coalition For Life Saving Cures. I would argue with opponents, and the one constant attack on the research was that it was against God's will. I would ask, how do they know? Former Senator and Episcopal Minister John Danforth, says otherwise. Of course I would ask Senator Danforth the same question.
I could not understand how one could make that argument, when they can not prove that God even exists. They were arguing on faith. All other arguments are easily countered because of science. This attack by the religious on the potential cures that could from stem cell research, was the tipping point for me. I began to read and study once again, and this time I read a book, called the God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins, and The End Of Faith by Sam Harris, Atheism, A Case Against God by George Smith, and many many more.
The more I read, the brighter I became. The more knowledge I consumed about astronomy, biology, physics, geology, etc..the less and less the probability of the existence of god became. I became a bright, because my worldview does not include any supernatural or mystical elements. If you want to believe in the supernatural,that is your choice, just don't try to legislate it.
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