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One issue perhaps implied by the article but not explicitly stated is the gullibility of these three Presidential candidates. Assuming that they disbelieve in evolution because they are a priori convinced of the literal truth of Genesis, presumably because that is what they have been brought up to believe, I'd be very concerned over who would actually be running the USA were one of these candidates elected: the candidate himself, or a shadowy amalgam of his pastor, himself, and his pastor's particular interpretation of some ancient texts.3. Comment #60736 by Jolly Bloger on August 2, 2007 at 7:06 pm
4. Comment #60920 by logical on August 3, 2007 at 6:00 am
5. Comment #60923 by Russell Blackford on August 3, 2007 at 6:13 am
Jolly Bloger, I am always confused by comments like yours. Speaking for myself, I actually do believe that propositions such as, "Human beings are descended from non-human life forms" are true. My belief is based on the vast body of observational evidence that supports this statement. I realise that all scientific claims are provisional, but some are so well-corroborated that it is difficult to see how they could turn out to be false. I have no serious doubt about such propositions as: "The Earth revolves around the Sun", "Down syndrome is caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21" and "There were no smilodons during the Triassic period." In any event, to believe a proposition is not to claim certainty. I am happy for any of these propositions to be revised (maybe I'm not up with the latest about Down syndrome, or whatever). The point is that "believe" and its cognates are ordinary English words that have nothing in particular to do with religion or faith.6. Comment #60957 by sidfaiwu on August 3, 2007 at 7:11 am
7. Comment #60958 by BAEOZ on August 3, 2007 at 7:17 am
8. Comment #60970 by sidfaiwu on August 3, 2007 at 7:59 am
9. Comment #60987 by Klaatu barada nikto on August 3, 2007 at 8:47 am
10. Comment #61007 by konquererz on August 3, 2007 at 9:51 am
11. Comment #61128 by Ae7flux on August 3, 2007 at 7:37 pm
@Russell Blackford12. Comment #61165 by Russell Blackford on August 4, 2007 at 2:16 am
^I agree that "believe in" is an expression to avoid. If that's what Jolly Bloger was getting at, I guess I have no great problem. But I keep seeing posts here and places like Pharyngula where the ordinary words "believe", "belief" and their cognates are held to be problematic in some sense. They are not, and such posts strike me as - with all due respect to the people concerned - a bit fanatical.13. Comment #61582 by Ae7flux on August 5, 2007 at 9:36 pm
While certainly not wanting to engage in postmodernist style epistemological relativism, I do think there is a large grey are between uncontroversial (fundises aside) propositions such as "human beings are descended from non-human life forms" which would be normally cast in the form "I believe that . . ." and the "I believe in . . ." statements (not sure I would want to call them propositions). I myself tend to think of scientific theories not as collections of true propositions but as sets of techniques for determining what is true about the world. (Please replace with your preferred account of how science works.) To do otherwise 1. understates the power, complexity , and even beauty of science and 2. makes it difficult to respond to creationist attacks of the sort "it's just a theory".
1. Comment #60701 by tieInterceptor on August 2, 2007 at 5:52 pm
I always preferred to vote for people that look nice and have a sincere smile, gut feeling opinions are the way to go.
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