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Friday, August 10, 2007 | Science : Physics and Chemistry | print version Print | Comments

Document Science and the Islamic World

by Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy

Reposted from:
http://ptonline.aip.org/journals/doc/PHTOAD-ft/vol_60/iss_8/49_1.shtml

Thanks to Andy Thomson for sending this in

Internal causes led to the decline of Islam's scientific greatness long before the era of mercantile imperialism. To contribute once again, Muslims must be introspective and ask what went wrong.

This article grew out of the Max von Laue Lecture that I delivered earlier this year to celebrate that eminent physicist and man of strong social conscience. When Adolf Hitler was on the ascendancy, Laue was one of the very few German physicists of stature who dared to defend Albert Einstein and the theory of relativity. It therefore seems appropriate that a matter concerning science and civilization should be my concern here.

The question I want to pose, perhaps as much to myself as to anyone else, is this: With well over a billion Muslims and extensive material resources, why is the Islamic world disengaged from science and the process of creating new knowledge? To be definite, I am here using the 57 countries of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) as a proxy for the Islamic world.

It was not always this way. Islam's magnificent Golden Age in the 9th, 13th centuries brought about major advances in mathematics, science, and medicine. The Arabic language held sway in an age that created algebra, elucidated principles of optics, established the body's circulation of blood, named stars, and created universities. But with the end of that period, science in the Islamic world essentially collapsed. No major invention or discovery has emerged from the Muslim world for well over seven centuries now. That arrested scientific development is one important element, although by no means the only one that contributes to the present marginalization of Muslims and a growing sense of injustice and victimhood.

Such negative feelings must be checked before the gulf widens further. A bloody clash of civilizations, should it actually transpire, will surely rank along with the two other most dangerous challenges to life on our planet, climate change and nuclear proliferation.
First encounters

Islam's encounter with science has had happy and unhappy periods. There was no science in Arab culture in the initial period of Islam, around 610 AD. But as Islam established itself politically and militarily, its territory expanded. In the mid-eighth century, Muslim conquerors came upon the ancient treasures of Greek learning. Translations from Greek into Arabic were ordered by liberal and enlightened caliphs, who filled their courts in Baghdad with visiting scholars from near and far. Politics was dominated by the rationalist Mutazilites, who sought to combine faith and reason in opposition to their rivals, the dogmatic Asharites. A generally tolerant and pluralistic Islamic culture allowed Muslims, Christians, and Jews to create new works of art and science together. But over time, the theological tensions between liberal and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam, such as on the issue of free will versus predestination, became intense and turned bloody. A resurgent religious orthodoxy eventually inflicted a crushing defeat on the Mutazilites. Thereafter, the open-minded pursuits of philosophy, mathematics, and science were increasingly relegated to the margins of Islam.1

Ottoman Empire astronomers

A long period of darkness followed, punctuated by occasional brilliant spots. In the 16th century, the Turkish Ottomans established an extensive empire with the help of military technology. But there was little enthusiasm for science and new knowledge. In the 19th century, the European Enlightenment inspired a wave of modernist Islamic reformers: Mohammed Abduh of Egypt, his follower Rashid Rida from Syria, and their counterparts on the Indian subcontinent, such as Sayyid Ahmad Khan and Jamaluddin Afghani, exhorted their fellow Muslims to accept ideas of the Enlightenment and the scientific revolution. Their theological position can be roughly paraphrased as, "The Qur'an tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go." That echoed Galileo earlier in Europe.

The 20th century witnessed the end of European colonial rule and the emergence of several new independent Muslim states, all initially under secular national leaderships. A spurt toward modernization and the acquisition of technology followed. Many expected that a Muslim scientific renaissance would ensue. Clearly, it did not.
What ails science in the Muslim world?

Muslim leaders today, realizing that military power and economic growth flow from technology, frequently call for speedy scientific development and a knowledge-based society. Often that call is rhetorical, but in some Muslim countries, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Pakistan, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Nigeria among others, official patronage and funding for science and education have grown sharply in recent years. Enlightened individual rulers, including Sultan ibn Muhammad Al-Qasimi of Sharjah, Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani of Qatar, and others have put aside some of their vast personal wealth for such causes. No Muslim leader has publicly called for separating science from religion.

Is boosting resource allocations enough to energize science, or are more fundamental changes required? Scholars of the 19th century, such as the pioneering sociologist Max Weber, claimed that Islam lacks an "idea system" critical for sustaining a scientific culture based on innovation, new experiences, quantification, and empirical verification. Fatalism and an orientation toward the past, they said, makes progress difficult and even undesirable.

In the current epoch of growing antagonism between the Islamic and the Western worlds, most Muslims reject such charges with angry indignation. They feel those accusations add yet another excuse for the West to justify its ongoing cultural and military assaults on Muslim populations. Muslims bristle at any hint that Islam and science may be at odds, or that some underlying conflict between Islam and science may account for the slowness of progress. The Qur'an, being the unaltered word of God, cannot be at fault: Muslims believe that if there is a problem, it must come from their inability to properly interpret and implement the Qur'an's divine instructions.

In defending the compatibility of science and Islam, Muslims argue that Islam had sustained a vibrant intellectual culture throughout the European Dark Ages and thus, by extension, is also capable of a modern scientific culture. The Pakistani physics Nobel Prize winner, Abdus Salam, would stress to audiences that one-eighth of the Qur'an is a call for Muslims to seek Allah's signs in the universe and hence that science is a spiritual as well as a temporal duty for Muslims. Perhaps the most widely used argument one hears is that the Prophet Muhammad had exhorted his followers to "seek knowledge even if it is in China," which implies that a Muslim is duty-bound to search for secular knowledge.

Such arguments have been and will continue to be much debated, but they will not be pursued further here. Instead, let us seek to understand the state of science in the contemporary Islamic world. First, to the degree that available data allows, I will quantitatively assess the current state of science in Muslim countries. Then I will look at prevalent Muslim attitudes toward science, technology, and modernity, with an eye toward identifying specific cultural and social practices that work against progress. Finally, we can turn to the fundamental question: What will it take to bring science back into the Islamic world?

Measuring Muslim scientific progress

The metrics of scientific progress are neither precise nor unique. Science permeates our lives in myriad ways, means different things to different people, and has changed its content and scope drastically over the course of history. In addition, the paucity of reliable and current data makes the task of assessing scientific progress in Muslim countries still harder.

I will use the following reasonable set of four metrics:

* The quantity of scientific output, weighted by some reasonable measure of relevance and importance;
* The role played by science and technology in the national economies, funding for S&T, and the size of the national scientific enterprises;
* The extent and quality of higher education; and
* The degree to which science is present or absent in popular culture.

Scientific output

A useful, if imperfect, indicator of scientific output is the number of published scientific research papers, together with the citations to them. Table 1 shows the output of the seven most scientifically productive Muslim countries for physics papers, over the period from 1 January 1997 to 28 February 2007, together with the total number of publications in all scientific fields. A comparison with Brazil, India, China, and the US reveals significantly smaller numbers. A study by academics at the International Islamic University Malaysia2 showed that OIC countries have 8.5 scientists, engineers, and technicians per 1000 population, compared with a world average of 40.7, and 139.3 for countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. (For more on the OECD, see http://www.oecd.org.) Forty-six Muslim countries contributed 1.17% of the world's science literature, whereas 1.66% came from India alone and 1.48% from Spain. Twenty Arab countries contributed 0.55%, compared with 0.89% by Israel alone. The US NSF records that of the 28 lowest producers of scientific articles in 2003, half belong to the OIC.3

The situation may be even grimmer than the publication numbers or perhaps even the citation counts suggest. Assessing the scientific worth of publications, never an easy task, is complicated further by the rapid appearance of new international scientific journals that publish low-quality work. Many have poor editorial policies and refereeing procedures. Scientists in many developing countries, who are under pressure to publish, or who are attracted by strong government incentives, choose to follow the path of least resistance paved for them by the increasingly commercialized policies of journals. Prospective authors know that editors need to produce a journal of a certain thickness every month. In addition to considerable anecdotal evidence for these practices, there have been a few systematic studies. For example,4 chemistry publications by Iranian scientists tripled in five years, from 1040 in 1998 to 3277 in 2003. Many scientific papers that were claimed as original by their Iranian chemist authors, and that had been published in internationally peer-reviewed journals, had actually been published twice and sometimes thrice with identical or nearly identical contents by the same authors. Others were plagiarized papers that could have been easily detected by any reasonably careful referee.

The situation regarding patents is also discouraging: The OIC countries produce negligibly few. According to official statistics, Pakistan has produced only eight patents in the past 43 years.

Islamic countries show a great diversity of cultures and levels of modernization and a correspondingly large spread in scientific productivity. Among the larger countries, in both population and political importance, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, and Pakistan are the most scientifically developed. Among the smaller countries, such as the central Asian republics, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan rank considerably above Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan. Malaysia�"a rather atypical Muslim country with a 40% non-Muslim minority�"is much smaller than neighboring Indonesia but is nevertheless more productive. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, and other states that have many foreign scientists are scientifically far ahead of other Arab states.

National scientific enterprises

Conventional wisdom suggests that bigger science budgets indicate, or will induce, greater scientific activity. On average, the 57 OIC states spend an estimated 0.3% of their gross national product on research and development, which is far below the global average of 2.4%. But the trend toward higher spending is unambiguous. Rulers in the UAE and Qatar are building several new universities with manpower imported from the West for both construction and staffing. In June 2006, Nigeria's president Olusegun Obasanjo announced he will plow $5 billion of oil money into R&D. Iran increased its R&D spending dramatically, from a pittance in 1988 at the end of the Iraq�"Iran war, to a current level of 0.4% of its gross domestic product. Saudi Arabia announced that it spent 26% of its development budget on science and education in 2006, and sent 5000 students to US universities on full scholarships. Pakistan set a world record by increasing funding for higher education and science by an immense 800% over the past five years.

But bigger budgets by themselves are not a panacea. The capacity to put those funds to good use is crucial. One determining factor is the number of available scientists, engineers, and technicians. Those numbers are low for OIC countries, averaging around 400, 500 per million people, while developed countries typically lie in the range of 3500, 5000 per million. Even more important are the quality and level of professionalism, which are less easily quantifiable. But increasing funding without adequately addressing such crucial concerns can lead to a null correlation between scientific funding and performance.

The role played by science in creating high technology is an important science indicator. There is little correlation between academic research papers and the role of S&T in the national economies of the seven listed countries. The anomalous position of Malaysia has its explanation in the large direct investment made by multinational companies and in having trading partners that are overwhelmingly non-OIC countries.

There are scientific areas in which research has paid off in the Islamic world. Agricultural research�"which is relatively simple science, provides one case in point. Pakistan has good results, for example, with new varieties of cotton, wheat, rice, and tea. Defense technology is another area in which many developing countries have invested, as they aim to both lessen their dependence on international arms suppliers and promote domestic capabilities. Pakistan manufactures nuclear weapons and intermediate-range missiles. There is now also a burgeoning, increasingly export-oriented Pakistani arms industry that turns out a large range of weapons from grenades to tanks, night-vision devices to laser-guided weapons, and small submarines to training aircraft. Export earnings exceed $150 million yearly. Although much of the production is a triumph of reverse engineering rather than original research and development, there is clearly sufficient understanding of the requisite scientific principles and a capacity to exercise technical and managerial judgment as well. Iran has followed Pakistan's example.

Higher education

According to a recent survey, among the 57 member states of the OIC, there are approximately 1800 universities.5 Of those, only 312 publish journal articles. A ranking of the 50 most published among them yields these numbers: 26 are in Turkey, 9 in Iran, 3 each in Malaysia and Egypt, 2 in Pakistan, and 1 in each of Uganda, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, and Azerbaijan. For the top 20 universities, the average yearly production of journal articles was about 1500, a small but reasonable number. However, the average citation per article is less than 1.0 (the survey report does not state whether self-citations were excluded). There are fewer data available for comparing against universities worldwide. Two Malaysian undergraduate institutions were in the top-200 list of the Times Higher Education Supplement in 2006 (available at http://www.thes.co.uk). No OIC university made the top-500 "Academic Ranking of World Universities" compiled by Shanghai Jiao Tong University (see http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/en). This state of affairs led the director general of the OIC to issue an appeal for at least 20 OIC universities to be sufficiently elevated in quality to make the top-500 list. No action plan was specified, nor was the term "quality" defined.

An institution's quality is fundamental, but how is it to be defined? Providing more infrastructure and facilities is important but not key. Most universities in Islamic countries have a starkly inferior quality of teaching and learning, a tenuous connection to job skills, and research that is low in both quality and quantity. Poor teaching owes more to inappropriate attitudes than to material resources. Generally, obedience and rote learning are stressed, and the authority of the teacher is rarely challenged. Debate, analysis, and class discussions are infrequent.

Academic and cultural freedoms on campuses are highly restricted in most Muslim countries. At Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, where I teach, the constraints are similar to those existing in most other Pakistani public-sector institutions. This university serves the typical middle-class Pakistani student and, according to the survey referred to earlier,5 ranks number two among OIC universities. Here, as in other Pakistani public universities, films, drama, and music are frowned on, and sometimes even physical attacks by student vigilantes who believe that such pursuits violate Islamic norms take place. The campus has three mosques with a fourth one planned, but no bookstore. No Pakistani university, including QAU, allowed Abdus Salam to set foot on its campus, although he had received the Nobel Prize in 1979 for his role in formulating the standard model of particle physics. The Ahmedi sect to which he belonged, and which had earlier been considered to be Muslim, was officially declared heretical in 1974 by the Pakistani government.

As intolerance and militancy sweep across the Muslim world, personal and academic freedoms diminish with the rising pressure to conform. In Pakistani universities, the veil is now ubiquitous, and the last few unveiled women students are under intense pressure to cover up. The head of the government-funded mosque-cum-seminary (figure 4) in the heart of Islamabad, the nation's capital, issued the following chilling warning to my university's female students and faculty on his FM radio channel on 12 April 2007:

The government should abolish co-education. Quaid-i-Azam University has become a brothel. Its female professors and students roam in objectionable dresses. . . . Sportswomen are spreading nudity. I warn the sportswomen of Islamabad to stop participating in sports. . . . Our female students have not issued the threat of throwing acid on the uncovered faces of women. However, such a threat could be used for creating the fear of Islam among sinful women. There is no harm in it. There are far more horrible punishments in the hereafter for such women.6

The imposition of the veil makes a difference. My colleagues and I share a common observation that over time most students�"particularly veiled females�"have largely lapsed into becoming silent note-takers, are increasingly timid, and are less inclined to ask questions or take part in discussions. This lack of self-expression and confidence leads to most Pakistani university students, including those in their mid- or late-twenties, referring to themselves as boys and girls rather than as men and women.

Science and religion still at odds

Science is under pressure globally, and from every religion. As science becomes an increasingly dominant part of human culture, its achievements inspire both awe and fear. Creationism and intelligent design, curbs on genetic research, pseudoscience, parapsychology, belief in UFOs, and so on are some of its manifestations in the West. Religious conservatives in the US have rallied against the teaching of Darwinian evolution. Extreme Hindu groups such as the Vishnu Hindu Parishad, which has called for ethnic cleansing of Christians and Muslims, have promoted various "temple miracles," including one in which an elephant-like God miraculously came alive and started drinking milk. Some extremist Jewish groups also derive additional political strength from antiscience movements. For example, certain American cattle tycoons have for years been working with Israeli counterparts to try to breed a pure red heifer in Israel, which, by their interpretation of chapter 19 of the Book of Numbers, will signal the coming of the building of the Third Temple,7 an event that would ignite the Middle East.

In the Islamic world, opposition to science in the public arena takes additional forms. Antiscience materials have an immense presence on the internet, with thousands of elaborately designed Islamic websites, some with view counters running into the hundreds of thousands. A typical and frequently visited one has the following banner: "Recently discovered astounding scientific facts, accurately described in the Muslim Holy Book and by the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) 14 centuries ago." Here one will find that everything from quantum mechanics to black holes and genes was anticipated 1400 years ago.

Science, in the view of fundamentalists, is principally seen as valuable for establishing yet more proofs of God, proving the truth of Islam and the Qur'an, and showing that modern science would have been impossible but for Muslim discoveries. Antiquity alone seems to matter. One gets the impression that history's clock broke down somewhere during the 14th century and that plans for repair are, at best, vague. In that all-too-prevalent view, science is not about critical thought and awareness, creative uncertainties, or ceaseless explorations. Missing are websites or discussion groups dealing with the philosophical implications from the Islamic point of view of the theory of relativity, quantum mechanics, chaos theory, superstrings, stem cells, and other contemporary science issues.

Similarly, in the mass media of Muslim countries, discussions on "Islam and science" are common and welcomed only to the extent that belief in the status quo is reaffirmed rather than challenged. When the 2005 earthquake struck Pakistan, killing more than 90 000 people, no major scientist in the country publicly challenged the belief, freely propagated through the mass media, that the quake was God's punishment for sinful behavior. Mullahs ridiculed the notion that science could provide an explanation; they incited their followers into smashing television sets, which had provoked Allah's anger and hence the earthquake. As several class discussions showed, an overwhelming majority of my university's science students accepted various divine-wrath explanations.

Why the slow development?

Although the relatively slow pace of scientific development in Muslim countries cannot be disputed, many explanations can and some common ones are plain wrong.

For example, it is a myth that women in Muslim countries are largely excluded from higher education. In fact, the numbers are similar to those in many Western countries: The percentage of women in the university student body is 35% in Egypt, 67% in Kuwait, 27% in Saudi Arabia, and 41% in Pakistan, for just a few examples. In the physical sciences and engineering, the proportion of women enrolled is roughly similar to that in the US. However, restrictions on the freedom of women leave them with far fewer choices, both in their personal lives and for professional advancement after graduation, relative to their male counterparts.

The near-absence of democracy in Muslim countries is also not an especially important reason for slow scientific development. It is certainly true that authoritarian regimes generally deny freedom of inquiry or dissent, cripple professional societies, intimidate universities, and limit contacts with the outside world. But no Muslim government today, even if dictatorial or imperfectly democratic, remotely approximates the terror of Hitler or Joseph Stalin�"regimes in which science survived and could even advance.

Another myth is that the Muslim world rejects new technology. It does not. In earlier times, the orthodoxy had resisted new inventions such as the printing press, loudspeaker, and penicillin, but such rejection has all but vanished. The ubiquitous cell phone, that ultimate space-age device, epitomizes the surprisingly quick absorption of black-box technology into Islamic culture. For example, while driving in Islamabad, it would occasion no surprise if you were to receive an urgent SMS (short message service) requesting immediate prayers for helping Pakistan's cricket team win a match. Popular new Islamic cell-phone models now provide the exact GPS-based direction for Muslims to face while praying, certified translations of the Qur'an, and step-by-step instructions for performing the pilgrimages of Haj and Umrah. Digital Qur'ans are already popular, and prayer rugs with microchips (for counting bend-downs during prayers) have made their debut.

Some relatively more plausible reasons for the slow scientific development of Muslim countries have been offered. First, even though a handful of rich oil-producing Muslim countries have extravagant incomes, most are fairly poor and in the same boat as other developing countries. Indeed, the OIC average for per capita income is significantly less than the global average. Second, the inadequacy of traditional Islamic languages�"Arabic, Persian, Urdu�"is an important contributory reason. About 80% of the world's scientific literature appears first in English, and few traditional languages in the developing world have adequately adapted to new linguistic demands. With the exceptions of Iran and Turkey, translation rates are small. According to a 2002 United Nations report written by Arab intellectuals and released in Cairo, Egypt, "The entire Arab world translates about 330 books annually, one-fifth the number that Greece translates." The report adds that in the 1000 years since the reign of the caliph Maa'moun, the Arabs have translated as many books as Spain translates in just one year.8
It's the thought that counts

But the still deeper reasons are attitudinal, not material. At the base lies the yet unresolved tension between traditional and modern modes of thought and social behavior.

That assertion needs explanation. No grand dispute, such as between Galileo and Pope Urban VIII, is holding back the clock. Bread-and-butter science and technology requires learning complicated but mundane rules and procedures that place no strain on any reasonable individual's belief system. A bridge engineer, robotics expert, or microbiologist can certainly be a perfectly successful professional without pondering profound mysteries of the universe. Truly fundamental and ideology-laden issues confront only that tiny minority of scientists who grapple with cosmology, indeterminacy in quantum mechanical and chaotic systems, neuroscience, human evolution, and other such deep topics. Therefore, one could conclude that developing science is only a matter of setting up enough schools, universities, libraries, and laboratories, and purchasing the latest scientific tools and equipment.

But the above reasoning is superficial and misleading. Science is fundamentally an idea-system that has grown around a sort of skeleton wire frame�"the scientific method. The deliberately cultivated scientific habit of mind is mandatory for successful work in all science and related fields where critical judgment is essential. Scientific progress constantly demands that facts and hypotheses be checked and rechecked, and is unmindful of authority. But there lies the problem: The scientific method is alien to traditional, unreformed religious thought. Only the exceptional individual is able to exercise such a mindset in a society in which absolute authority comes from above, questions are asked only with difficulty, the penalties for disbelief are severe, the intellect is denigrated, and a certainty exists that all answers are already known and must only be discovered.

Science finds every soil barren in which miracles are taken literally and seriously and revelation is considered to provide authentic knowledge of the physical world. If the scientific method is trashed, no amount of resources or loud declarations of intent to develop science can compensate. In those circumstances, scientific research becomes, at best, a kind of cataloging or "butterfly-collecting" activity. It cannot be a creative process of genuine inquiry in which bold hypotheses are made and checked.

Religious fundamentalism is always bad news for science. But what explains its meteoric rise in Islam over the past half century? In the mid-1950s all Muslim leaders were secular, and secularism in Islam was growing. What changed? Here the West must accept its share of responsibility for reversing the trend. Iran under Mohammed Mossadeq, Indonesia under Ahmed Sukarno, and Egypt under Gamal Abdel Nasser are examples of secular but nationalist governments that wanted to protect their national wealth. Western imperial greed, however, subverted and overthrew them. At the same time, conservative oil-rich Arab states�"such as Saudi Arabia, that exported extreme versions of Islam were US clients. The fundamentalist Hamas organization was helped by Israel in its fight against the secular Palestine Liberation Organization as part of a deliberate Israeli strategy in the 1980s. Perhaps most important, following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, the US Central Intelligence Agency armed the fiercest and most ideologically charged Islamic fighters and brought them from distant Muslim countries into Afghanistan, thus helping to create an extensive globalized jihad network. Today, as secularism continues to retreat, Islamic fundamentalism fills the vacuum.
How science can return to the Islamic world

In the 1980s an imagined "Islamic science" was posed as an alternative to "Western science." The notion was widely propagated and received support from governments in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and elsewhere. Muslim ideologues in the US, such as Ismail Faruqi and Syed Hossein Nasr, announced that a new science was about to be built on lofty moral principles such as tawheed (unity of God), ibadah (worship), khilafah (trusteeship), and rejection of zulm (tyranny), and that revelation rather than reason would be the ultimate guide to valid knowledge. Others took as literal statements of scientific fact verses from the Qur'an that related to descriptions of the physical world. Those attempts led to many elaborate and expensive Islamic science conferences around the world. Some scholars calculated the temperature of Hell, others the chemical composition of heavenly djinnis. None produced a new machine or instrument, conducted an experiment, or even formulated a single testable hypothesis.

A more pragmatic approach, which seeks promotion of regular science rather than Islamic science, is pursued by institutional bodies such as COMSTECH (Committee on Scientific and Technological Cooperation), which was established by the OIC's Islamic Summit in 1981. It joined the IAS (Islamic Academy of Sciences) and ISESCO (Islamic Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization) in serving the "ummah" (the global Muslim community). But a visit to the websites of those organizations reveals that over two decades, the combined sum of their activities amounts to sporadically held conferences on disparate subjects, a handful of research and travel grants, and small sums for repair of equipment and spare parts.

One almost despairs. Will science never return to the Islamic world? Shall the world always be split between those who have science and those who do not, with all the attendant consequences?

Bleak as the present looks, that outcome does not have to prevail. History has no final word, and Muslims do have a chance. One need only remember how the Anglo American elite perceived the Jews as they entered the US at the opening of the 20th century. Academics such as Henry Herbert Goddard, the well-known eugenicist, described Jews in 1913 as "a hopelessly backward people, largely incapable of adjusting to the new demands of advanced capitalist societies." His research found that 83% of Jews were "morons" a term he popularized to describe the feeble-minded�"and he went on to suggest that they should be used for tasks requiring an "immense amount of drudgery." That ludicrous bigotry warrants no further discussion, beyond noting that the powerful have always created false images of the weak.

Progress will require behavioral changes. If Muslim societies are to develop technology instead of just using it, the ruthlessly competitive global marketplace will insist on not only high skill levels but also intense social work habits. The latter are not easily reconcilable with religious demands made on a fully observant Muslim's time, energy, and mental concentration: The faithful must participate in five daily congregational prayers, endure a month of fasting that taxes the body, recite daily from the Qur'an, and more. Although such duties orient believers admirably well toward success in the life hereafter, they make worldly success less likely. A more balanced approach will be needed.

Science can prosper among Muslims once again, but only with a willingness to accept certain basic philosophical and attitudinal changes�"a Weltanschauung that shrugs off the dead hand of tradition, rejects fatalism and absolute belief in authority, accepts the legitimacy of temporal laws, values intellectual rigor and scientific honesty, and respects cultural and personal freedoms. The struggle to usher in science will have to go side-by-side with a much wider campaign to elbow out rigid orthodoxy and bring in modern thought, arts, philosophy, democracy, and pluralism.

Respected voices among believing Muslims see no incompatibility between the above requirements and true Islam as they understand it. For example, Abdolkarim Soroush, described as Islam's Martin Luther, was handpicked by Ayatollah Khomeini to lead the reform of Iran's universities in the early 1980s. His efforts led to the introduction of modern analytical philosophers such as Karl Popper and Bertrand Russell into the curricula of Iranian universities. Another influential modern reformer is Abdelwahab Meddeb, a Tunisian who grew up in France. Meddeb argues that as early as the middle of the eighth century, Islam had produced the premises of the Enlightenment, and that between 750 and 1050, Muslim authors made use of an astounding freedom of thought in their approach to religious belief. In their analyses, says Meddeb, they bowed to the primacy of reason, honoring one of the basic principles of the Enlightenment.

In the quest for modernity and science, internal struggles continue within the Islamic world. Progressive Muslim forces have recently been weakened, but not extinguished, as a consequence of the confrontation between Muslims and the West. On an ever-shrinking globe, there can be no winners in that conflict: It is time to calm the waters. We must learn to drop the pursuit of narrow nationalist and religious agendas, both in the West and among Muslims. In the long run, political boundaries should and can be treated as artificial and temporary, as shown by the successful creation of the European Union. Just as important, the practice of religion must be a matter of choice for the individual, not enforced by the state. This leaves secular humanism, based on common sense and the principles of logic and reason, as our only reasonable choice for governance and progress. Being scientists, we understand this easily. The task is to persuade those who do not.



Pervez Hoodbhoy is chair and professor in the department of physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan, where he has taught for 34 years.

References

1. P. Hoodbhoy, Islam and Science�"Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality, Zed Books, London (1991).
2. M. A. Anwar, A. B. Abu Bakar, Scientometrics 40, 23 (1997).
3. For additional statistics, see the special issue "Islam and Science," Nature 444, 19 (2006).
4. M. Yalpani, A. Heydari, Chem. Biodivers. 2, 730 (2005).
5. Statistical, Economic and Social Research and Training Centre for Islamic Countries, Academic Rankings of Universities in the OIC Countries (April 2007), available at [LINK].
6. The News, Islamabad, 24 April 2007, available at [LINK].
7. For more information on the red heifer venture, see [LINK].
8. N. Fergany et al., Arab Human Development Report 2002, United Nations Development Programme, Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development, New York (2002), available at

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1. Comment #62670 by Friend Giskard on August 10, 2007 at 7:13 pm

 avatarSo, in Islam's magnificent Golden Age they "named stars," did they?

That must have been difficult.

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2. Comment #62674 by BT Murtagh on August 10, 2007 at 8:09 pm

 avatarDifficult enough that the Europeans couldn't manage it, apparently. I'd have to agree that the algebra, optics and circulation of the blood mentioned were more impressive, but naming stars does involve mapping and cataloging them. It's not a trivial task; if you disagree, try duplicating the effort using your own names and star maps. If you get past a couple of hundred you'll be doing well.

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3. Comment #62675 by Friend Giskard on August 10, 2007 at 8:14 pm

 avatarIn fact, Europeans had measured the circumference of the earth and the distance to the moon a thousand years earlier.

Between that time and the time of Copernicus the field of astronmy stood essentially still. Drawing maps and naming things doesn't impress me much. Muslim astronomers brought no new insights to the field.

It's quite funny to see how the author struggles to make his list of impressive muslim achievements:

They created algebra, elucidated principles of optics, established the body's circulation of blood...erm...named stars...erm....um...

It is true that they made significant advances in mathematics (though they didn't invent zero, and they didn't invent 'arabic' numerals, as is often claimed), but the value of muslim science, while not insignificant, has been greatly exaggerated.

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4. Comment #62677 by BT Murtagh on August 10, 2007 at 8:47 pm

 avatarIf it doesn't impress you much, perhaps that says more about you than about the task. As I said, it's not trivial; try it. The author's listing clearly isn't meant to be inclusive but rather exemplary; off the top of my head I recall that electrical batteries were invented at the time, though nothing much ever came of them, and I believe the engineering of the pointed arch, which proved popular among medieval cathedral builders when it was imported back to the west.

I suspect you're simply bigoted and will under no circumstances admit that the Muslim world ever had anything going for it, whatever the historical evidence to the contrary. Having had my fill already this week of blinkered thinking in talking to (or at) creationists, I'll leave you to it.

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5. Comment #62680 by Friend Giskard on August 10, 2007 at 8:55 pm

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If it doesn't impress you much, perhaps that says more about you than about the task. As I said, it's not trivial; try it.


It's not trivial. But it's not impressive science either. It's just a lot of hard work. I expect I could do it if I was willing to devote years of my life to something so pointless. But I'm not.

Perhaps that sounds arrogant, but it really isn't. I often feel humbled by real scientic genius. I stand in awe of the achievement of, say, Kepler, because I know that, given a thousand lifetimes to live, I could never achieve what he achieved. I'm just not bright enough. Contemplating the likes of him makes me feel inadequate.

I never get that feeling when I read about muslim science.

--------

Hey.

Did you just call me a bigot?

That's a great argument!

I've got no answer to that!

You got me!

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6. Comment #62683 by monkey2 on August 10, 2007 at 9:09 pm

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Our female students have not issued the threat of throwing acid on the uncovered faces of women. However, such a threat could be used for creating the fear of Islam among sinful women. There is no harm in it. There are far more horrible punishments in the hereafter for such women.


Where would we be without the morals of the religious to guide us?

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7. Comment #62685 by njwong on August 10, 2007 at 9:24 pm

 avatarIt is quite depressing to read about the collapse of the Golden Age of Islam where progress in science, mathematics and philosophy was suddenly halted and was replaced by backward looking religious zealotry. Although Islam was founded in the 600's (~610 CE), the sciences flourished only from the second half of the 700's (~751 CE). However, after 700 years of scientific progress, Islamic science declined in the 1400's, and has still not recovered today.

Thus, 700+ years of scientific progress could not prevent scientific thinking from being destroyed by the religon virus.

The parallel for western civilisation today is that the 700+ years of scientific progress since the Renaissance could also be stopped in its tracks by religion.

Sam Harris' message in "The End of Faith" is ever more important. With Islamic terrorists having potential access to atomic bombs (and who have no qualms about using them), fundamentalist Christians in US government/military who may unconsciously want to bring forth Armageddon to hasten the Rapture, religion is not only endangering science, but can threaten civilisation and the world. It would really be tragic if such horrors were to come to pass because of people's irrational belief in myths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science#Decline

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8. Comment #62689 by Big T on August 10, 2007 at 9:52 pm

#62685 by njwong: 'Unconsciously' my ass! True fundamentalist Rapture believing Christians like Jenkins and LaHaye WANT the rapture to happen soon! They want it CONSCIOUSLY! As for the Muslim lapse in science, I don't know what caused it, but I have a feeling that allowing everything EXCEPT the Qur'an (or the Bible) to be questioned is not conducive to scientific advancement.

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9. Comment #62694 by BT Murtagh on August 10, 2007 at 10:11 pm

 avatarAll right, Friend Giskard, I accept the implied rebuke; I withdraw the accusation of bigotry.

Arguing with creationists put me in a mood and I let it spill over; no excuse, I know.

I still don't agree with your assessment, mind, but I spilled it over into a personal attack. I should not have done that, and I apologise to you for it.

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10. Comment #62738 by mandelstam on August 11, 2007 at 4:52 am

To paraphrase: some time in the distant past some people in a place where Islam was the predominant religion did some science and mathematics of value. Then religion won the day & it stopped.

Science is essential, Islam is not. It is really very simple.

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11. Comment #62741 by Yorker on August 11, 2007 at 5:03 am

 avatarThe zero was invented in India. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth 2300 years ago using only sticks and sunlight. I'd bet that unless they already knew how, 90% of people today couldn't do it even if you gave them the sticks and sunlight clues.

Nonsense rules, must fly.

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12. Comment #62746 by BicycleRepairMan on August 11, 2007 at 6:49 am

 avatarI agree with Giskard on this one, surely the invention of algebra was important and all, as is naming stars, but if we say tha the Islamic world, has been millions (now billion) of people going about their business for 1300 years, then statistically, they OUGHT to have come up with some discoveries, some Newtons, some Darwins, or Einsteins out there. The fact that the collected discoveries done in the islamic world are so relatively small, would suggest to me that _something_ has been preventing progress, intellectual enligthenment and science, and I think I know what that something is: Islam.

And how could it not, the belief that one book holds the inerrant, unreformable, final word of God, really pulls some of the excitement of discovering something new out of it all, doesnt it? It really seems as if there really is no point in even trying; after all, God has ALL the ultimate answers, and he's even been kind enough to write them all up in a convenient book for all to read (well all experts on ancient butchered arabic, that is)

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13. Comment #62747 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 6:55 am

 avatarBT
Accepted.

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14. Comment #62753 by epeeist on August 11, 2007 at 7:58 am

 avatarLets not be negative about this. Whether algebra, alchemy and the like were invented by moslems is irrelevant.

Here is a man who is attempting to discover why islamic culture is so far behind others and, by the sound of it, trying to find some fixes. If he is truly trying to drag these countries out of their medieval mindset then he deserves support.

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15. Comment #62754 by dhweaver on August 11, 2007 at 8:04 am

 avatarPerhaps science in the Muslim world is retarded by the 8 or so calls to prayer everyday. It would be difficult in the years before video technology to closely observe an experiment when you have to leave the lab every 2 hours to go pray. The Muslim scientists return to the lab 30 minutes later: "Damn It Jabar! We've missed the reaction again…Let's start from the beginning.

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16. Comment #62757 by thirdchimpanzee on August 11, 2007 at 8:27 am

Before we get too carried away with the bashing Islamic science, I think its fair to ask why Galileo, Newton, Leibnitz, Darwin etc. were all European and not Indian or Chinese. Materially speaking, Europe was probably no better off than China or India through much of this time, and certainly more religious overall.

When the British first engaged with the Indian subcontinent in the 1600's I really don't think anyone on the British side (or Indian) thought they would end up creating and running an entity called India. This was a commercial venture that ran amok.

This is a well written summary of the state of science in the Muslim world, and one of the most telling entries (apart from the horror of the acid threat) was the banning of the Nobel laureate Abdus Salam from University campuses because his adherence to a "heretical" Ahmedi sect.

As atheists we're obviously unmoved by any supposedly precocious reference to science in ancient scriptures - but that's not really what's happening here. Like morality, these holy books are being "interpreted" to justify actions that people want to take anyway - and religious types know how to "play the game". The deeper enemy here is orthodoxy - and religion is a one way of establishing orthodoxy. Its a better explanation of why relatively secular China stagnated along with India and the Muslim world.

Even in the western world, why was Darwin English, and not American - after all America was (by their own reckoning) the greatest advance in human society. Victorian Britain probably considered itself as religious as America, but its my contention that Britain (along with France, Holland and a few other countries) were much more tolerant of "heretics" than almost anywhere else in the world.

Darwin knew he was throwing down the gauntlet to religion (all religion - not just the established Church of England) - and his hand was forced by another Englishman - Wallace. Maybe these two could have been French, Dutch or German - but unlikely to have been Indian or Chinese or even American.

Its still astonishing to realise that the man Britons celebrate on their bank notes, and is buried in Westminster Abbey is so reviled in America. I'm not saying religion has nothing to do with this behaviour - but Americans get equally excited about socialists and communists, and the term "un-American" really has no British counterpart.

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17. Comment #62764 by Donald on August 11, 2007 at 9:43 am

What a remarkable article from the heart of Islamabad. Very honest, perceptive, and brave too. I wonder if he is thinking of fleeing to the west.

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18. Comment #62769 by the great teapot on August 11, 2007 at 10:06 am

All IS revealed in the Koran, but only to believers who have the eyes to see.
see the link below, infidels
http://www.speed-light.info/angels_speed_of_light.htm

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19. Comment #62772 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 11:30 am

 avatarNeil S

"What the rest of the planet was up to 800-1100" is irrelevant when assessing the value of what the muslims were doing at the time.

Nobody feels the need, when praising the accomplishments of the ancient Greeks, to add pleadingly: "consider what the rest of the planet was doing at the time!"

Nobody feels the need, when praising the accomplishments of the West since the renaissance, to add pleadingly: "consider what the rest of the planet was doing at the time!"

Why is it felt that such extra justification is needed when it comes to islam's "magnificent Golden Age"?

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20. Comment #62779 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 11:59 am

Why was science stopped dead in its track in Islamic history in spite of some very brilliant achievements?

Without looking very deeply into it my speculation is that the medieval muslim science while impressive, existed largely because of the patronage and good will of relatively enlightened religious rulers. When the trend in theology shifted towards the conservative end, science died a nature death.

Science in the Islamic world, in spite of its achievements, remained a servant to theology and has failed to challenge religious dogmatism head on and usher in a new age of secularism as it was the case of the Enlightenment. This is epitomized by the often made point that Mohammad encouraged scientific inquiries,-whether he actually did is besides the point,-- and therefore there is no conflict between Islam and science. Science cannot genuinely develop if it requires any theological justification at all.

Science can only strive in an atmosphere where religion is relegated to private beliefs and "God" is exorcised from serious public discourse. While I have argued elsewhere that religion may play a legitimate role in organizing one's subjective experience I firmly believe that religion should be challenged and trashed mercilessly when it intrudes into the realm of objective reality. We can respect people's private religious beliefs only when religion ceases to enjoy a privileged position in society and all its pretense to moral and intellectual authority stripped away.

IMO as long as Muslims,--that is, the moderates who actually think science is important,--still want to have their cake and eat it by trying to convince themselves that "Islam is compatible with science" as if it matters they will never have a scientific renaissance. Islam is just too strong and virulent and science is too weak and impotent in these countries to allow any wishy washy coexistence.

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21. Comment #62782 by hightrekker on August 11, 2007 at 12:15 pm

Third--
The West had Greek Thought--- The rest of the world didn't--
5th Century Athens had already conceived of the atom, the dialectic,
scientific method, democracy, the basis for modern drama, the gymnasium-- just to mention a few--
Christianity and Islam buried this for 1500 years, but then the Renaissance discovered Greek tools and analysis--
Unfortunately the combination of Christianity ability to separation reality into compartments and ignore reality and consequences, combined with these powerful Greek Tools to deal with the psychical world has produced the fix we are currently in--

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22. Comment #62784 by kaiserkriss on August 11, 2007 at 12:20 pm

 avatarI agree with epeeist above, Professor Hoodbhoy deserves all the support we so called clear thinkers can give him. He has literally put his balls on the line, together with those of his family, by even contemplating and publishing his thoughts on the subject.

Yet here we are (look in the mirror guys) arguing about trivia, and missing the overall message this person is sending... Anyone bother actually reading the last paragraph before posting some of the nonsense in previous posts??

To paraphrase, "There but for a biological accident go I". Here in the west we take so many things for granted, including freedom of speech and education. Don't fee so superior, and get get off the high horse by recognizing your good fortune to have been conceived and born in a society that more or less provides a good living compared to many other parts of the planet...

PS ThirdChimpanzee the British equivalent to un-American is simply the statement "We're British". jcw.

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23. Comment #62785 by Donald on August 11, 2007 at 12:20 pm

Neil S posted:
But that there was so little organized activity for 700 years, and then all of a sudden, a single civilization--a powerful Arab Muslim one--starts to busy itself studying, translating, discovering. I find this mind-blowing.

As I understand that period of history, the Greeks and Romans fought various wars, and when the Roman empire disintegrated from within, the Greeks became the rulers of eastern mediterranean. So when Mohammed created Islam and conquered westwards, he was conquering the Greeks who were still preserving and developing science.

Hoodbhoy says:
There was no science in Arab culture in the initial period of Islam, around 610 AD. But as Islam established itself politically and militarily, its territory expanded. In the mid-eighth century, Muslim conquerors came upon the ancient treasures of Greek learning. Translations from Greek into Arabic were ordered by liberal and enlightened caliphs, who filled their courts in Baghdad with visiting scholars from near and far. Politics was dominated by the rationalist Mutazilites, who sought to combine faith and reason in opposition to their rivals, the dogmatic Asharites. A generally tolerant and pluralistic Islamic culture allowed Muslims, Christians, and Jews to create new works of art and science together. But over time, the theological tensions between liberal and fundamentalist interpretations of Islam, such as on the issue of free will versus predestination, became intense and turned bloody. A resurgent religious orthodoxy eventually inflicted a crushing defeat on the Mutazilites. Thereafter, the open-minded pursuits of philosophy, mathematics, and science were increasingly relegated to the margins of Islam.


In other words, Islam obtained its mathematicians and scientists by conquest. We should also remember the Dhimmi status of non-Muslims from the period from 610 onwards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi The scholars were tolerated by Islam as a resource to be exploited. Many non-muslims converted rather than accept Dhimmi status. (BTW Dhimmi status was not available for atheists - only Christians and Jews. Atheists had to convert, die or pretend.)

Anyway, when Islam realised that scientific knowledge was conflicting with the dictates of Islam, science had to be suppressed.
It was the same story in Europe in medieval times. The Roman Catholic Church was keen to use the scientists of the day, until, that is, the scientists began to challenge church dogma. Then the scientists had to be suppressed.


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24. Comment #62789 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 12:39 pm

 avatarI want Bonzai to name some of these "very brilliant achievements" of muslim science.

I hear a lot of vague talk about these "very brilliant achievements", but nobody ever actually says what they are.

Or if they try to do so they are very quickly reduced to scraping the the bottom of the barrel and pulling out such pitiful examples as "the pointed arch" or "the windmill" (actually a Persian pre-islamic invention).

So apart from al Hathan's elementary observations in optics, and Ibn al-Nafis' description of pulmonary circulation, what are islam's great scientific (not mathematical) achievements that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the accomplishments of Newton, Darwin, Maxwell, Einstein, Dirac etc?

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25. Comment #62790 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 12:45 pm

ThirdChimpanzee wrote:

The deeper enemy here is orthodoxy - and religion is a one way of establishing orthodoxy. Its a better explanation of why relatively secular China stagnated along with India and the Muslim world.


China suffered from peaking too early. Its early unification under a strong, and rather highly sophisticate central government IMO turned out to be the source of stagnation at later time. China had some very remarkable scientists and philosophers that rivaled the Greeks around the same time. But political unification led to an early adoption of Confucianism as state ideology and the suppression of competing thoughts.

Confucianism, with emphasis on the practical and an aversion to speculative philosophy, is hospitable to technology while it doesn't fit well with natural philosophy and theoretical science. As a result the Chinese were very technologically advanced but didn't have systematic science. It compared quite favourably with Europe in terms of technology and practical inventions as recent as the 18th century except decidedly inferior it one area: namely, weapon making. This turned out to be fatal.

The European scientific revolution benefited from many "free floating" intellectuals who traveled from country to country and enjoyed a lot of freedom of thought.They were able to exist in the cracks of the competing powers of the Church and Princes. In unified China there were relatively few cracks an independent thinker could insert himself comfortably into.

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26. Comment #62791 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 12:48 pm

Friend Giskard
I want Bonzai to name some of these "very brilliant achievements" of muslim science


Look up the physicist Alhazan. You probably wouldn't hear of him from reading Robert Spencer.

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27. Comment #62792 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 12:50 pm

 avatarBonzai

I actually mentioned al Hathan (I use a different spelling) in my post. You should read it. And then answer it.

Of course, you can't.

edit: pardon me if you responded before I got that last paragraph in.

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28. Comment #62793 by Nails on August 11, 2007 at 12:56 pm

 avatar18. Comment #62769 by the great teapot on August 11, 2007 at 10:06 am

I'm really sorry but that link is a great big fiddle.
The actual calculation is 11% out, as indicated in the calculation.
To correct this they take the earth-moon system out of the sun's gravity, which is obviously not going to happen, even with Allah's help.
So they fiddled it. End of.
nice try though.....

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29. Comment #62796 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 1:07 pm

Comment #62792 by Friend Giskard,

Why did the Europeans have to wait until Newton to discover those "elementary observations" about optics?

Here is from Wikipedia:


Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the father of optics for correctly explaining and proving the modern intromission theory of vision in his influential Book of Optics, and for his experiments on optics, including experiments on lenses, mirrors, refraction, reflection, and the dispersion of light into its constituent colours.[6] He also explained binocular vision and the moon illusion, speculated on the finite speed, rectilinear propagation and electromagnetic aspects of light,[7] and argued that rays of light are streams of energy particles[8] travelling in straight lines.[9] Due to his empirical and experimental approach to science, he is considered the pioneer of the modern scientific method,[10][11] and some have described him as the "first scientist" for this reason.[12] He is considered by some to be the founder of psychophysics and experimental psychology,[13] for his pioneering work on the psychology of visual perception.[14] His Book of Optics has been ranked alongside Isaac Newton's Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica as one of the most influential books ever written in physics.[15]

Among his other achievements, Ibn al-Haytham described the pinhole camera and invented the camera obscura (a precursor to the modern camera),[16] discovered Fermat's principle of least time and Newton's first law of motion,[17] described the attraction between masses and was aware of the magnitude of acceleration due to gravity,[18] presented the earliest critique and reform of the Ptolemaic model, first stated Wilson's theorem in number theory, pioneered analytic geometry, formulated and solved Alhazen's problem geometrically, developed and proved the earliest general formula for infinitesimal and integral calculus using mathematical induction,[19] and in his optical research, laid the foundations for the later development of telescopic astronomy,[20] as well as the microscope and the use of optical aids in Renaissance art.[21]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham


Doesn't seem like a small feat to me. But then since you are obviously a genius I am sure you can do it if you "devote years" of your life to "something so pointless".

Kepler's laws, which you claimed to be in awe of, were the results of what you called unimpressive painstaking work of gathering data and "pointless" calculations. Kepler had no idea why planets move in the way they do and he proposed that angels were pushing them around. It was Newton who worked out the theory and derived them from first principle

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30. Comment #62801 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 1:29 pm

 avatarBonzai

Mind you I'm looking for a simple list reflecting a breadth and depth of achievements, real insights, made by many individuals over a period of time of that would justify the praise that is typically heaped on the islamic "Golden Age"

But I knew when I made the challenge that your first response would be "mumble mumble al Hathan mumble mumble." This is not good enough. Al Hathan is one individual. Not a civilization.

I'm sure you can put together some kind of list and post it here, but I anticipate that it won't be an impressive one.

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31. Comment #62802 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 1:36 pm

Oh I see. You are shifting your goal. First you dismissed Alhazan as just making "elementary observations" about optics which presumably you can do if you decide to devote "years" of your life to "something so pointless". Now he is "just one individual, not a civilization."

Well Newton was also "just an individual" and "not a civilization".



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32. Comment #62804 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 1:43 pm

 avatarI haven't shifted the goal. The original challenge was
So apart from al Hathan's elementary observations in optics, and Ibn al-Nafis' description of pulmonary circulation, what are islam's great scientific (not mathematical) achievements that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the accomplishments of Newton, Darwin, Maxwell, Einstein, Dirac etc?

I said apart from al Hathan and Ibn al-Nafis because they had already been mentioned in the original article, and I have acknowledged both of them. My point was that once you get past these two you can't come up with anything else, as you are now proving.

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33. Comment #62806 by the great teapot on August 11, 2007 at 1:58 pm

Is Al Hathan that chap who made his great discoveries while incaserated for some trivial reason or other.
Giskard, he was the first person to realise that sight came from something outside the body ie light and was not a sort of radar system emitted from the eye.
It is amazing how everything is obvious when someone else points it out. When he observed this fact it was not that elementary, no other self conscious being on the planet had noticed it before and recorded it.
However further insights from the arab world do seem thin on the ground. but I am no expert so I may stand corrected.
A british TV personality/ ex politician (Kilroy silk) almost ended his career for voicing your opinion. Even if what he said may have been true.

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34. Comment #62808 by Bonzai on August 11, 2007 at 2:32 pm

FG,

So what is your point? No one ever argued that the 14th century Islamic Empire was a "scientific civilization". If it were they would have abandoned Islam long time ago as a state religion and science would not have died in the womb and we wouldn't be reading this article. Nevertheless there have been some remarkable scientific accomplishments for a pre scientific revolution world. To sourly dismiss that off hand only proves your own bigotry.

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35. Comment #62809 by Vinelectric on August 11, 2007 at 3:14 pm

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Fatalism and an orientation toward the past, they said, makes progress difficult and even undesirable.


Pretty muchs sums it all. The ingredients for intellectual erosion lies there; the vivid suggestion of an afterlife that makes people lose focus of their earthly existence and become obsessed with a hypothetical one.

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36. Comment #62811 by Vinelectric on August 11, 2007 at 3:18 pm

 avatarBonzai, an honest study of the history of science would stop at just recognising that the muslims have at one point contributed something useful and meaningful. Playing down the importance of that contribution is a sign of some pointless and dishonest agenda. Don't waste your time arguing with Giskard.

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37. Comment #62815 by Russell Blackford on August 11, 2007 at 4:49 pm

I'm not going to get into the debate about how golden that golden age was, though it's interesting seeing the opinions pro and con above. For myself, I'm just worried that right now we see are a seeing a huge, nuclear-armed country on what might well be the path to theocratic rule. Any opinions on that?

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38. Comment #62821 by kaiserkriss on August 11, 2007 at 5:30 pm

 avatarRussell: Thanks for elaborating on my point above (unwittingly maybe), however for exactly the reasons you verbalized, we as so called enlightened individuals should embrace and encourage the more educated and rational individuals in the Muslim world, rather than slag these people by arguing about the pros and cons of any golden age.

The though that ANY theocratic society, including our big neighbour to the south (I live in Canada)has the potential to obliterate (all) life on this planet in a fit of religious rage, lunacy, or whatever should scare every rational thinking person.

To repeat myself we should reach out to the more rational and encourage the type of debate expressed in the last paragraph of the subject article. jcw

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39. Comment #62824 by hightrekker on August 11, 2007 at 5:59 pm

KK---
Agreed, let's support anyone trying to free themselves form this mass delusion and these toxic ideas---
Support is needed, this is a bold and dangerous act, in a culture that admires and cultivates ignorance, and punishes intelligence.

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40. Comment #62829 by Friend Giskard on August 11, 2007 at 6:58 pm

 avatarBonzai
So what is your point? No one ever argued that the 14th century Islamic Empire was a "scientific civilization". If it were they would have abandoned Islam long time ago as a state religion and science would not have died in the womb and we wouldn't be reading this article. Nevertheless there have been some remarkable scientific accomplishments for a pre scientific revolution world. To sourly dismiss that off hand only proves your own bigotry.

Far from sourly dismissing it off hand, I actually said, in comment #3,

"...the value of muslim science, while not insignificant, has been greatly exaggerated."

That was my "point."

And I also requested from you some clarification of the matter which might sway my opinion, because, the way you were going on, it seemed that you knew a lot about it. But it turned out that you were unable to provide it.

So you just called me a bigot instead.

Yes, calling someone who disagrees with you a bigot is always a good move. Congratulations. I'm obviously no match for you. You really put me in my place. Nice one.

Discussion closed.

FG

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P.S. I am prepared to forgive your rash insult because I suspect you are a child, and I know how difficult it sometimes is to keep a cool head when carrying on an argument on the internet. But in future keep in mind that throwing insults around in a forum such as this only reflects badly on yourself. : )

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41. Comment #62874 by drive1 on August 12, 2007 at 5:47 am

 avatarThis is a superb article, admirably supported with plenty of fascinating statistics that are invaluable 'keepers'. The number of patents produced by Pakistan since 1960 (8!), the relative number of books translated by the Arab world in the past 1,000 years (fewer than Spain in just one year), the number of female students at universities in Islamic countries (higher than I would ever have guessed) and so on.

Some of the revelations are deeply troubling:
In June 2006, Nigeria's president Olusegun Obasanjo announced he will plow $5 billion of oil money into R&D.

I guess this would be the same Nigeria where Sharia Law is burgeoning and 'offences', such as homosexuality, lead to the death penalty: http://www.stophonourkillings.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1931

But herein lies a glimmer of hope. The one factor that gives many Islamic states a disproportionate degree of power and influence is oil. A finite resource. Now that countries like the UK and the US are net importers of oil, the race is on to reduce dependence on this energy source. I doubt it'll happen in our life-times but, perhaps, our grandchildren will see a re-balancing in world affairs?

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42. Comment #62882 by JohnC on August 12, 2007 at 7:25 am

 avatarThere is a big danger here of missing the point, particularly by FG. The author's point was clearly stated at the start: "Internal causes led to the decline of Islam's scientific greatness long before the era of mercantile imperialism."

Quibbling about the extent of "greatness" is irrelevant - the origins of scientific thinking and mathematics are rooted in Greece and the thread unquestionably passed through the Islamic world before being wedded to an independently developed European emirical tradition that gave birth to science as we know it.

What this courageous article is about, though, is linking the present stultifying effect of Islam on science to its historical roots, and from that launching a call for a policy of secular humanism as "our only reasonable choice for governance and progress".

In that light, I find many of the comments here both churlish and short-sighted.

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43. Comment #62892 by mandelstam on August 12, 2007 at 8:12 am

The article and most of the posts miss the important point. There are no achievements of muslim science. There are no acheivements of greek, christian or jewish science(refer to Richard Feynman, if you must). There is science, sometimes done by muslims, jews, christians, greeks; all sorts really. The science is essential, the religion, where it is not actually harmful, is inessential, irrelevant. A debate like this only serves to put the religiose where they like to be, at the centre of things. Nothing in what they assert about the nature of reality merits such consideration.

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44. Comment #62901 by JohnC on August 12, 2007 at 8:36 am

 avatarmandelstam,

The author is issuing a clarion call for secular humanism as a precondition for the development of science education and practice in countries with predominantly Muslim populations. He is not calling for "Islamic science".

Have you actually read the article?

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45. Comment #62910 by mandelstam on August 12, 2007 at 9:28 am

John C:
Yes I have. But it is always refreshing to be the recipient of that most attractive of human gestures, the sneer...
I did not say the article called for islamic science. I said that it and the debate miss the point that there is not and never has been such a things as :

"Islam's scientific greatness"
"Islam's magnificent Golden Age in the 9th, 13th centuries brought about major advances in mathematics"
etc, etc,

Often religious appologists use this type of appelation to maintain that religion is at the centre of things.

The article is very brave & it's conclusion could hardly be argued with.

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46. Comment #62913 by JohnC on August 12, 2007 at 9:46 am

 avatarmandelstam,

Okay, we agree on the most important thing ;-)

On the minor point, I think it makes sense, prior to the birth of fully modern (and hence global) science, to speak of "Islamic science", in the same way we speak of Greek philosophy or Roman engineering. This is a question of how we deploy and understand historical paradigms, and for what political/polemical purposes. In this context, I do not believe the usage is invalid.

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47. Comment #62918 by mandelstam on August 12, 2007 at 10:04 am

Greek philosophy & Roman engineering yes but not polytheist, Jovian or Jupiterian engineering & philosophy. Arabian Science, not Islamic.

I'm not sure how minor it is. Religion gains much of it's credibility by insinuating itself as essential to certain ideas that it has no claim on.

A present bugbear of mine is that on the BBC website there is a "Religion & Ethics" section, and that makes no more sense to me than coupling religion & science. But the pairing is a very useful tool for religious apologists. Its all about consciousness raising, as a good man said.

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48. Comment #62930 by epeeist on August 12, 2007 at 10:58 am

 avatarComment #62804 by Friend Giskard
My point was that once you get past these two you can't come up with anything else, as you are now proving.

You might try: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

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49. Comment #62932 by epeeist on August 12, 2007 at 11:01 am

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I'm not going to get into the debate about how golden that golden age was, though it's interesting seeing the opinions pro and con above. For myself, I'm just worried that right now we see are a seeing a huge, nuclear-armed country on what might well be the path to theocratic rule.

You don't specify which country (or even continent) this is ;-)

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50. Comment #62933 by mandelstam on August 12, 2007 at 11:12 am

In reply to epeeist & Freind Giskard

You could argue about a list of Catholic scientists that would include Galileo. It would be about as pointless, but at least the irony would be more easily apparant...

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