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More nitpicking, sorry:I think most atheists probably don't feel any need to defend themselves and are quite comfortable with their belief system.
3. Comment #63965 by Richard Morgan on August 17, 2007 at 4:18 am
4. Comment #63966 by Russell Blackford on August 17, 2007 at 4:20 am
There's always something to nitpick about with any review, as with any book, but this review does a good job. Whenever I like a book, I'm always interested to see what concerns will be expressed by another person who also likes it.5. Comment #63967 by Johnny O on August 17, 2007 at 4:36 am
6. Comment #63968 by Richard Morgan on August 17, 2007 at 4:45 am
7. Comment #63969 by steve99 on August 17, 2007 at 4:52 am
But one implication of Dawkins's book is worth noting: that tolerance of other religions implies acceptance of a relativism that could lead to doubt and is therefore anathema to the true believer.
8. Comment #63971 by Dr Benway on August 17, 2007 at 4:55 am
9. Comment #63974 by Prufrock on August 17, 2007 at 5:45 am
A very balanced and sane analysis. The consciousness-raising goal of Prof Dawkins is very often overlooked, also by myself. I like the subtle reminder that even as atheists we must remember we live in a world of many faiths in which we do not believe, but others do. Questioning faith is about questioning God and in doing so encouraging people to maybe see that maybe there is nothing to recommend this idea as a basis for anything constructive. Consciousness raising has assisted women to at least a pathway to equality; has made people aware of the ludicrous nature of racism and made the persecution of homosexuals - as someone who studied computer science, it is hard to reconcile what happened to Alan Turing with rationality, in spite of my own heterosexuality - appear what it is: cruel, stupid and pointless. Maybe Prof Dawkins can change the general perception of rationality and evidence based reasoning, thus elevating it to the state it deserves to be as a more reasonable platform or starting point for making truthful and honest decisions. This review and the reasonableness of its tone takes a step towards achieving this.10. Comment #63981 by Haymoon on August 17, 2007 at 6:32 am
One quite extensive and erudite discussion comes from evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, who is an Englishman and a facile writer about science.
11. Comment #63982 by USA_Limey on August 17, 2007 at 6:34 am
12. Comment #63983 by USA_Limey on August 17, 2007 at 6:39 am
13. Comment #63987 by Haymoon on August 17, 2007 at 6:51 am
14. Comment #63988 by LeeC on August 17, 2007 at 6:52 am
"Note: How does one put quotations in that nice box seen in other comments?"
15. Comment #63990 by USA_Limey on August 17, 2007 at 6:55 am
(Just do remote the spaces... I needed to do this so you could see what I typed - makes sense?)
16. Comment #63991 by _J_ on August 17, 2007 at 6:57 am
I do love this expression "consciousness-raising", which generally means "lifting" other people's consciousness to my own level. The superior level, of course.
I have just invented, and therefore prefer, "consciousness-expanding" or "consciousness-widening" […]
17. Comment #63995 by Jack Rawlinson on August 17, 2007 at 7:18 am
18. Comment #63997 by Dr Benway on August 17, 2007 at 8:00 am
I like your new avatar. Turing is somewhat of a hero.Turing looks touchingly happy in the photo I lifted from Wikipedia.
19. Comment #64001 by USA_Limey on August 17, 2007 at 8:28 am
"Think of the suffering we could eliminate if we canned religion's claims concerning God's sexual preferences."
20. Comment #64002 by Ian on August 17, 2007 at 8:29 am
Richard Morgan, it's dificult to see why you expect to be taken seriously, since you seem to be taking the stance that all beliefs are equivalent.21. Comment #64003 by Prufrock on August 17, 2007 at 8:37 am
Lime: As far as I know Churchill was very aware of the importance of the work Turing and his colleagues were doing. Turing turned to Churchill for assistance when the future of the project for cracking the enigma code was in doubt. Churchill had no hesitation in taking Turing at his word when he told the PM the project needed to be fully supported. I wonder if those religious nutcases who perversely ignore the reality behind Dr Benway's last post would use a computer if they understood Turing's contribution to its development and to what extent von Neuman esteemed Turing's work. Shows that sometimes the British and Americans can stand shoulder to shoulder on worthwhile projects without the religion stick to beat everyone over the head with. Some people, really!22. Comment #64028 by Steven Mading on August 17, 2007 at 11:03 am
Prufrock, the full-on persecution of Turing didn't occur until after the war, and after Churchil was out of power. So I don't think Churchil was the "establishment" power that Lime was talking about.23. Comment #64030 by Prufrock on August 17, 2007 at 11:17 am
Point taken Steven. I was in fact supporting Lime's remarks and also taking an opportunity to show how something as irrelevant as sexuality is allowed to colour our appreciation of the achievements and stature of brilliant men. Apologies to Lime if he took any offence.24. Comment #64077 by impious on August 17, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Should read: "I think most atheists probably don't feel any need to defend themselves and are quite comfortable with no belief system."
25. Comment #64686 by USA_Limey on August 21, 2007 at 10:15 am
26. Comment #64696 by Prufrock on August 21, 2007 at 11:18 am
Misunderstandings happen. I've been on the atheism thing for 25 years now, ever since I got more interested in science(Computer Science and maths primarily, though some neurobiology for neural networks) and moved out of newpaper journalism - I still do the odd very local article. So yes, I am on board.
1. Comment #63958 by hungarianelephant on August 17, 2007 at 3:05 am
... unless they're Muslims.
[edit: Sorry, I'm nitpicking. That was too much to resist. This is a good review and should sell a few more copies.]
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