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3. Comment #66289 by dazzjazz on August 29, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Did I read this correctly - is Hitch anti-abortion?4. Comment #66294 by pete on August 29, 2007 at 3:52 pm
5. Comment #66297 by robotaholic on August 29, 2007 at 4:09 pm
Nice read except for one thing....being educated about the catholoc orthodoxy with priests, fathers, popes, orders, etc... makes me icky inside.6. Comment #66299 by LordSummerisle on August 29, 2007 at 4:18 pm
7. Comment #66300 by The author on August 29, 2007 at 4:28 pm
8. Comment #66304 by Bonzai on August 29, 2007 at 4:36 pm
The author wrote:"regard abortion as an abomination (and, if it matters, I concur)"
Why, in the name of reason!? Hitchens was always entirely convincing for me (even, after reading his books and essays about it, concerning Iraq). But what secular, sensible reason could there possibly be against abortion?
9. Comment #66305 by Icculus on August 29, 2007 at 4:44 pm
I think the most firm pro-choice supporter can still say that abortion is an abomination. While the language may seem strong, no one wants people to have abortions, as the desired outcome would be no unwanted pregnancies. Mistakes occur, and sometimes people need to make a choice. Even when the choice to abort is objectively the right one, it is never easy, and those involved are forever changed. So yes, abortion is an ugly thing, but so are many of the choices we make, and are entitled to make.10. Comment #66306 by Bonzai on August 29, 2007 at 4:46 pm
Re: abortion is an abomination11. Comment #66309 by LeeLeeOne on August 29, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Please, for the love of reasoned, educated, and insightful thoughts that are regularly (albeit not consistently) posted on this site, do not "pick an agenda", i.e., abortion. Yes, Hitchens may or may not agree that abortion is an "abomination." Yes, Hitchens may or many not agree with "pro-choice" or "pro-life" stance.12. Comment #66327 by BlaiddDrwg on August 29, 2007 at 5:39 pm
13. Comment #66328 by The author on August 29, 2007 at 5:41 pm
14. Comment #66330 by dancingthemantaray on August 29, 2007 at 5:44 pm
"as horrible as abortion is"15. Comment #66332 by BigJohn on August 29, 2007 at 5:52 pm
16. Comment #66334 by dancingthemantaray on August 29, 2007 at 5:56 pm
"Any logical, thinking person must be against abortion"17. Comment #66345 by Duff on August 29, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Big John,18. Comment #66349 by Fire1974 on August 29, 2007 at 6:37 pm
19. Comment #66353 by BAEOZ on August 29, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Any logical, thinking person must be against abortion. It requires a strong dose of liberal dogma to find abortion acceptable. There are few legitimate reasons to kill a human being.
20. Comment #66356 by yoyo on August 29, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Having, or being, an unwanted child is the abomination. Unless the meaning attributed by Bonzai is correct, this has to be one of the stupidist things Hitchens has said since anything he's written about Iraq21. Comment #66362 by eoinc on August 29, 2007 at 7:35 pm
"Every Catholic is supposed to regard abortion as an abomination (and, if it matters, I concur)."22. Comment #66364 by Bonzai on August 29, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Actually I checked it out, Hitchens is against abortion though he apparently has a different reason than the usual fetus = baby argument. He also agrees that ultimately the woman should decide.23. Comment #66365 by Shuggy on August 29, 2007 at 7:39 pm
24. Comment #66376 by Veronique on August 29, 2007 at 9:01 pm
that it is the inevitable result of a dogma that asks people to believe impossible things and then makes them feel abject and guilty when their innate reason rebels
25. Comment #66383 by 82abhilash on August 29, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Everyone seems to be taken up on by Hitchen's abortion stance. Well here is his argument against it, 'Hitchen's opposes abortion on materialistic grounds: human life has to begin at some point, and there is no non-arbitrary way to determine that it begins at a point after conception but before birth.' It seems pragmatic to me. It is very difficult to determine which point we are talking of a fetus and which point it becomes a baby. Is a viable fetus a baby?26. Comment #66385 by 82abhilash on August 29, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Hitchens is interpreting old data in light of new evidence, which makes sense. I think that perhaps now at least the ordinary people on both sides can lay the issue to rest.27. Comment #66388 by Veronique on August 29, 2007 at 11:00 pm
By its very nature it is an unpleasant decision to make, at least. While I am sure no one here would advocate a blanket ban on abortion, some check and balance system would be a good idea to ensure that unwanted pregnancies are prevented rather than terminated
28. Comment #66396 by Canuck#1 on August 29, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Ican sympathize with MT, having been there....attending Bible school...praying in public...preaching...,doing it because it was expected...because all my friends were church friends....because my parents were so proud...and it was HELL....eventually, not having to worry about sainthood or a watching world, I walked away....but even for me that was difficult...the only remnant being a Christian wife who loves me in spite of my atheism...29. Comment #66402 by Ben Jennings on August 29, 2007 at 11:47 pm
30. Comment #66406 by Richard Morgan on August 30, 2007 at 12:03 am
Every Catholic is supposed to regard abortion as an abomination (and, if it matters, I concur).Mister Hitchens, if you really thought it didn't matter you wouldn't have bothered adding the two words "I concur" to your article. You can't make us believe that you are so naïve as to imagine that "I concur" is just a throw-away! Aw come on, Hitch!
...and then makes them feel abject and guilty when their innate reason rebels.Whilst recent research seems to be acquiring evidence that some aspects of the "reasoning" faculty could well be "innate" (i.e. genetically transmitted) I feel that it this is an unfortunate choice of adjective. Not wishing to go back to the nature/nurture debate, it is still far from clear that "reason" is "innate".
31. Comment #66411 by roach on August 30, 2007 at 12:39 am
Richard Morgan,32. Comment #66424 by Richard Morgan on August 30, 2007 at 1:28 am
roach :Hum. That probably means my posts are confusing. Which is worrying to me, since most of my posts are concerned with the clarity of (verbal) expression in order to avoid confusion. And often I am accused of being "petty" or a "jerk" (the character, not the dance or the verb) for insisting on certain details.
Your posts tend to confuse me.
(and, if it matters, I concur).are cheap verbal tricks which offend me when I come across them in otherwise serious articles.
33. Comment #66431 by paulwwww on August 30, 2007 at 2:04 am
I have not read any of Hitchen's books, not sure I will. Alright maybe when they make it to half-priced books. Mostly because I have not been too impressed with some of his views that have been in the press. However I was quite impressed with this article, and have a feeling his speculations might have had more truth than some will openly admit too, and certainly moreso than the Catholic clergy will like to speak of. It is quite a shame to see someone led down this path and gain such traction that it becomes a nightmare to get out. And that is what it sounds like, may have been the case, not too mention she still wanted to provide charity in her position regardless of her personal needs. Many of us would have none of that and Mother Teresa should be commended for this. Good call for Hitchens on this one.34. Comment #66449 by keith on August 30, 2007 at 2:51 am
35. Comment #66450 by Veronique on August 30, 2007 at 2:54 am
36. Comment #66455 by stereoroid on August 30, 2007 at 3:18 am
37. Comment #66456 by keith on August 30, 2007 at 3:19 am
38. Comment #66462 by stereoroid on August 30, 2007 at 3:41 am
39. Comment #66465 by stereoroid on August 30, 2007 at 3:51 am
I tend to believe that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.
40. Comment #66466 by Robert Maynard on August 30, 2007 at 3:54 am
41. Comment #66467 by anotherclinton on August 30, 2007 at 3:54 am
42. Comment #66469 by Peacebeuponme on August 30, 2007 at 3:56 am
Veronique - I'm firmly in your camp when it comes to abortion, if it matters...43. Comment #66472 by Richard Morgan on August 30, 2007 at 4:33 am
keith :I just don't see the 'cheap verbal trick' you are accusing him of here.Right! That's the whole point. You don't see it.
(and, if it matters, I concur).In brackets, that means I suppose, incidental to the main subject and thus not particularly relevant.
44. Comment #66480 by Veronique on August 30, 2007 at 5:28 am
45. Comment #66481 by CJ22 on August 30, 2007 at 5:28 am
46. Comment #66483 by Ian on August 30, 2007 at 5:36 am
For what it's worth, I feel both sorry for Mother Teresa and just a little contempt.47. Comment #66490 by BigJohn on August 30, 2007 at 5:53 am
48. Comment #66491 by keith on August 30, 2007 at 5:57 am
49. Comment #66492 by Veronique on August 30, 2007 at 6:04 am
50. Comment #66493 by Kubenzi on August 30, 2007 at 6:06 am
1. Comment #66285 by sane1 on August 29, 2007 at 3:29 pm
I feel sory for the flock, and it looks like hitchens has discovered a tender spot for M Teresa too.
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