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He refers to believers as "faith sufferers", and to himself and like-minded associates as "we doctors".
First, genes are linearly strung along chromosomes, and so tend to travel through generations in the company of particular other genes that occupy neighbouring chromosomal loci. We doctors call that kind of linkage linkage, and I shall say no more about it . . .
3. Comment #66398 by greg_m on August 29, 2007 at 11:39 pm
"Hitler starved and gassed them (religious believers)"4. Comment #66399 by EgoSumNemo on August 29, 2007 at 11:42 pm
What are the prospects for wiping religion off the face of the earth? Stalin attempted, in vain, to eliminate religionists by working them to death or hanging them. Hitler starved and gassed them.
5. Comment #66405 by Damien White on August 30, 2007 at 12:00 am
Yet more evidence of religion as little more than wish-fulfillment.6. Comment #66408 by toomanytribbles on August 30, 2007 at 12:19 am
ask yourself, when even the doubts of experts are thought to confirm a doctrine, what could possibly disconfirm it?
7. Comment #66412 by The author on August 30, 2007 at 12:45 am
8. Comment #66415 by roach on August 30, 2007 at 12:54 am
Oh it's not "faith". It's "doubt of doubt". This make so much sense! Can I say skepticism is actually "doubt of doubt of doubt"?9. Comment #66417 by Johan on August 30, 2007 at 1:06 am
"But it shows that even the most dogmatic of the world's religions, if encouraged, can discover a latent propensity towards pluralism in the ideal of non-judgmental universal love."10. Comment #66423 by steveroot on August 30, 2007 at 1:21 am
11. Comment #66427 by Flagellant on August 30, 2007 at 1:41 am
12. Comment #66429 by Clappers on August 30, 2007 at 1:52 am
"The shocking aspect of this notion is its depersonalisation, reinforced in an alarming chapter which claims that Jews, and indeed Jesus Christ, did not teach love thy neighbour as thyself and that the 10 commandments - including thou shalt not kill - applied only within the Jewish group."13. Comment #66432 by hungarianelephant on August 30, 2007 at 2:08 am
Put bluntly, The God Delusion is liable to persuade religious fundamentalists that a pluralist secular society is every bit as hostile to the practice of faith as they ever thought it to be ...
... By urging the elimination of religion in the name of all that civil society holds dear, Dawkins is inviting fundamentalists to be even more fundamentalist.
14. Comment #66433 by Richard Morgan on August 30, 2007 at 2:09 am
15. Comment #66434 by Corylus on August 30, 2007 at 2:09 am
· John Cornwell is director of the Science and Human Dimension Project at Jesus College, Cambridge. His book Darwin's Angel: An Angelic Riposte to the God Delusion is published in hardback by Profile on September 6, priced £9.99.
16. Comment #66438 by BAEOZ on August 30, 2007 at 2:14 am
17. Comment #66452 by Prufrock on August 30, 2007 at 2:59 am
There are so many misunderstandings, errors and downright lies in this article that I'm not even going to bother to get deep with it. The author's interpretation of the relationship between belief and doubt are confused. Graham Greene, great writer that he was, does not have authenticity instincts greater than those of anyone else. His take on what science says about racial hygiene and lamarkism is more about social darwinism than about real evidence based science... Oh I could go on and on and on and find so many things not to trust in this article. If faith is a journey whose path is lined with doubt, mysticism and symbolism, then it is also a journey without evidence, facts, hypotheses and imagination and we all know where that leads to.... nothing and nowhere. Much like where this article leads.18. Comment #66461 by pewkatchoo on August 30, 2007 at 3:38 am
19. Comment #66463 by pewkatchoo on August 30, 2007 at 3:46 am
20. Comment #66471 by kizumoto on August 30, 2007 at 4:29 am
I got as far as, "Stalin attempted, in vain, to eliminate religionists by working them to death or hanging them. Hitler starved and gassed them".21. Comment #66487 by wim_vandenberghe on August 30, 2007 at 5:50 am
1.22. Comment #66496 by Alison on August 30, 2007 at 6:12 am
...he simply does not get the point of pluralist societies under secular auspices.23. Comment #66516 by AntonAAK on August 30, 2007 at 7:33 am
Richard Morgan
Imagine this sort of discussion a few centuries ago, ok?
There is a symbolic, poetic, metaphorical sense in which the sun really does revolve around the earth. And this is very meaningful and comforting to millions of people.
But Galilawkins nourishes a disturbing contempt for geocentrists.
He asserts: "I do everything in my power to warn people against geocentricism itself, not just against so-called 'extremist' geocentricism."
24. Comment #66517 by Dr Benway on August 30, 2007 at 7:35 am
I think RD (and other prominent atheists) should concentrate more on epistomology and less on deontology when it comes to dicussing religion.I think you're right. Dawkins does this in TGD at the outset, by pointing to "Einsteinian religion" or pantheism, or deism, and making clear he's not concerned with these positions. But the point seems lost on many reviewers. Perhaps it's eclipsed by the "ultimate Boeing 747," which challenges the notion of a creator-God generally, whether the interventionist God of traditional religion or not.
25. Comment #66519 by fides_et_ratio on August 30, 2007 at 8:07 am
2. Comment #66393 by Richard Dawkins on August 29, 2007 at 11:28 pm26. Comment #66521 by Quetzalcoatl on August 30, 2007 at 8:22 am
27. Comment #66522 by Russell's Teapot on August 30, 2007 at 8:47 am
28. Comment #66525 by Theocrapcy on August 30, 2007 at 9:01 am
29. Comment #66527 by robotaholic on August 30, 2007 at 9:23 am
30. Comment #66528 by Ken on August 30, 2007 at 9:39 am
It should be remembered that only a very few of the negative reviews have attempted to connect with the arguments of the book. For apologists the most important task is not to answer criticism but to dissuade their co-religionists from picking the book up in the first place. Hence actually giving an accurate account of the book's contents is not particularly high on their list of priorities.31. Comment #66530 by jthacker48 on August 30, 2007 at 9:43 am
32. Comment #66532 by Philip1978 on August 30, 2007 at 10:23 am
33. Comment #66536 by stevencarrwork on August 30, 2007 at 10:38 am
Cornwell writes an article about Dawkins and he produces comparisons to Hitler and Stalin.34. Comment #66541 by Richard Dawkins on August 30, 2007 at 11:01 am
25. Comment #66519 by fides_et_ratio on August 30, 2007 at 8:07 am
In his defense, perhaps he didn't realise it was a joke due to the lack of any apparent hilarity in the statement. To be fair, it doesn't seem particularly amusing.
Also, I read an article a few months ago where John Cornwall was taking you to task for deliberately misquoting him in your book. If I remember correctly, his case was more compelling than you own.
36. Comment #66545 by Bonzai on August 30, 2007 at 11:24 am
Cornwell's piece seems to be populated by straw men.Dawkins claims, however, that religious believers deserve neither respect nor rights in any circumstances.
37. Comment #66548 by Dr Benway on August 30, 2007 at 11:30 am
38. Comment #66549 by Quetzalcoatl on August 30, 2007 at 11:34 am
39. Comment #66552 by Corylus on August 30, 2007 at 11:50 am
fides_et_ratio is Latin for "I know Latin."
40. Comment #66553 by danceswithanxiety on August 30, 2007 at 11:51 am
And yet, Dawkins is as reluctant as any evangelical fundamentalist to recognise the importance of an element of doubt, or doubt of doubt, in religious faith, or to accept that much of the content of religious faith is metaphorical, poetic and symbolic rather than factual in a scientific sense.
41. Comment #66555 by troyreynolds86 on August 30, 2007 at 11:58 am
Hitler and Stalin again!42. Comment #66558 by Dr Benway on August 30, 2007 at 12:05 pm
43. Comment #66606 by walk on August 30, 2007 at 3:22 pm
44. Comment #66607 by dhweaver on August 30, 2007 at 3:23 pm
45. Comment #66615 by Lauregon on August 30, 2007 at 3:42 pm
(most Christians outside the American bible belt do not take the book of Genesis literally). - Cornwell
46. Comment #66618 by zarcus on August 30, 2007 at 3:46 pm
47. Comment #66633 by Inferno on August 30, 2007 at 5:29 pm
Dawkins is as reluctant as any evangelical fundamentalist to recognise the importance of an element of doubt, or doubt of doubt, in religious faith, or to accept that much of the content of religious faith is metaphorical, poetic and symbolic rather than factual in a scientific sense. He is convinced that faith is in all circumstances absolute, seamless, literal.
48. Comment #66641 by Yorker on August 30, 2007 at 6:59 pm
49. Comment #66643 by Inferno on August 30, 2007 at 7:32 pm
"John Cornwell struggled with his faith for two decades before finally returning to Christianity"
50. Comment #66645 by BAEOZ on August 30, 2007 at 7:48 pm
I cannot have deliberately misquoted John Cornwell because I have never quoted him, or even mentioned him, in any of my books.mat
1. Comment #66390 by 82abhilash on August 29, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Facts are twisted, ideas are misrepresented. John Cornwell wants to perform the incredible task of championing doubt as a cause for faith! We all know Richard Dawkins will change his mind when presented with evidence, so I will leave you all with another atheist scientist's comment on the need for doubt."If we want to solve a problem that we have never solved before, we must leave the door to the unknown ajar..............If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming "This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!" we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination. It has been done so many times before."
This lecture was given by Richard Feynman in 1955. He was involved in making the first Atom Bomb.
http://www.phys.washington.edu/users/vladi/phys216/Feynman.html
So you be the judge, is Richard Dawkins suppressing ideas or fighting those who suppress them?
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