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3. Comment #66728 by coretemprising on August 31, 2007 at 6:50 am
ROLF!4. Comment #66730 by Richard Morgan on August 31, 2007 at 6:53 am
5. Comment #66731 by coretemprising on August 31, 2007 at 6:55 am
Sorry, my "rolf" is not about the treatment of the chickens, just the overall ridiculousness of the foolish human religious spectacle.6. Comment #66732 by Ford Prefect on August 31, 2007 at 6:56 am
'In general, I don't think that PETA is taken very seriously in the Orthodox community, or in any civilized society," said Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for the ultra-Orthodox Agudath Israel of America.'7. Comment #66733 by scottishgeologist on August 31, 2007 at 7:03 am
8. Comment #66735 by RascoHeldall on August 31, 2007 at 7:04 am
What embarrassing, cringeworthy idiocy.9. Comment #66737 by pewkatchoo on August 31, 2007 at 7:09 am
10. Comment #66740 by hungarianelephant on August 31, 2007 at 7:17 am
11. Comment #66741 by Vaal on August 31, 2007 at 7:32 am
12. Comment #66742 by Mango on August 31, 2007 at 7:42 am
13. Comment #66744 by heathen2 on August 31, 2007 at 7:46 am
14. Comment #66746 by Northern Bright on August 31, 2007 at 7:52 am
15. Comment #66749 by robotaholic on August 31, 2007 at 7:58 am
16. Comment #66753 by Alison on August 31, 2007 at 8:09 am
How does swinging a chicken (or money, or fish) over one's head remove sin?17. Comment #66762 by Vaal on August 31, 2007 at 8:46 am
18. Comment #66777 by the izz on August 31, 2007 at 10:20 am
19. Comment #66782 by Duff on August 31, 2007 at 11:46 am
If these righteous people would be so thoughtful as to stop holding the little chickens by their shoulders and maybe gently grip them with both hands as they slowly sway side to side for maybe not more than two or three times, and then perhaps give the birds a bath in luke warm water and a handful of cornmeal. Then, if they didn't wring their necks but instead just said a simple little prayer asking the bird nicely to take a few of their sins, instead of all their sins, no one would take umbrage. Then, of course, taking the birds to a nice farm to spend the rest of their lives pecking.20. Comment #66787 by Alison on August 31, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Duff, yours is a much prettier ritual. Let's swap out the chickens, though, and use chicks instead! Newborns should have fewer accretions of sin than full grown birds, after all. Then again, they might not be able to absorb as many sins, being so small. So, scratch that. Use really, really old chickens?21. Comment #66790 by andwar99 on August 31, 2007 at 12:16 pm
For some reason Monty Python comes immediately to mind.22. Comment #66800 by sabre_truth on August 31, 2007 at 1:35 pm
It seems to me that the Rabbis are more concerned over whether the chicken flesh from the ritual is kosher or not, rather than whether they are abusing animals, or whether it is sanitary by modern standards.23. Comment #66805 by dancingthemantaray on August 31, 2007 at 2:02 pm
"Men are instructed to use roosters, which are grasped by their shoulder blades and rotated above the person's head three times. Women use hens for the ritual (two if the practitioner is pregnant)"24. Comment #66818 by Quine on August 31, 2007 at 4:21 pm
25. Comment #66824 by Veronique on August 31, 2007 at 4:53 pm
26. Comment #66825 by HappyPrimate on August 31, 2007 at 4:54 pm
27. Comment #66827 by Richard Morgan on August 31, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Kentucky Fried Sins!
They're finger-lickin' evil!
28. Comment #66850 by Theocrapcy on August 31, 2007 at 7:15 pm
29. Comment #66855 by steveroot on August 31, 2007 at 8:36 pm
30. Comment #66857 by Cyboman on August 31, 2007 at 8:54 pm
I'm surprised there isn't more of this kind of thing. One of the central theological tenets of the Old Testament is animal sacrifice. It seems like on every other page someone is killing an animal to take care of there sins and Leviticus (if I remember correctly) is almost principally concerned with the proper way to perform animal sacrifices. Factory farming has reached moral standards that would make most people become vegetarians if they knew how they operated. I'm concerned that our religious traditions prevent us from seeing how immoral our treatment of livestock animals is because people can say "There's nowhere in the bible that says we have to treat animals nicely".31. Comment #66858 by Richard Morgan on August 31, 2007 at 8:55 pm
In some part of Wales a very extraordinary rite was observed. "When a person died, the friends sent for the sin-eater of the district, who on his arrival places a piece of salt on the breast of the defunct, and upon the salt a piece of bread. He then muttered an incantation over the bread, which he finally ate; thereby eating up all the sins of the deceased. This done, he received the fee of two shillings and sixpence, and vanished as quickly as possible from the general gaze; for as it was believed that he really appropriated to his own use and behoof the sins of all those over whom he performed the above ceremony, he was utterly detested in the neighbourhood -- regarded as a mere Pariah -- as one irremediably lost."At least it avoided brushes with PETA or the RSPCA.
Sin-eating was not a Bardic idea, it seems to have been a perverted and perverse tradition, probably reaching Wales by an oriental channel, in which the Jewish scape-goat and Christian Eucharistic Sacrifice are blended in disguise and distortion.
-- From Welsh sketches, by Ernest Silvanus Appleyard
32. Comment #66879 by DNAtheist on August 31, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Honestly - makes you want to weep, doesn't it?
33. Comment #66936 by Nefrubyr on September 1, 2007 at 3:31 am
The animal is then supposed to be slaughtered immediately after the ritual and donated to a poor family.
34. Comment #67227 by Shuggy on September 2, 2007 at 8:13 pm
...maybe they could do us all a favour by leaping over a cliff like lemmings (sorry, insult to lemmings)No, urban legend, helped along by Disney, who had them flung over the cliff.
35. Comment #67385 by Jonathan Dore on September 3, 2007 at 7:29 am
In general, I don't think that PETA is taken very seriously in the Orthodox community, or in any civilized society
36. Comment #67910 by Mysturji on September 5, 2007 at 5:53 am
37. Comment #67920 by pewkatchoo on September 5, 2007 at 7:11 am
38. Comment #67921 by pewkatchoo on September 5, 2007 at 7:12 am
1. Comment #66726 by gcdavis on August 31, 2007 at 6:45 am
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