Why are we Muslims so self-destructive?2. Comment #73190 by Friend Giskard on September 24, 2007 at 11:45 am
The savages are taking over and, as Rahim says, they are stronger and will drag all the faithful down into the pits of hell.
3. Comment #73209 by Theocrapcy on September 24, 2007 at 12:59 pm
4. Comment #73219 by goldmineguttd on September 24, 2007 at 1:35 pm
I wouldn't knock the author. It'll take a lot of this type of speaking out to get Islam to change from within. It's a stubbornly conservative religion, in most forms, and it's going to be difficult to destroy.5. Comment #73230 by Ivan The Not So Bad on September 24, 2007 at 2:19 pm
6. Comment #73251 by Ultraviolet G on September 24, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Bear in mind the Christians have had about 700 years longer to get over their worst habits.7. Comment #73261 by mmurray on September 24, 2007 at 3:25 pm
8. Comment #73263 by the great teapot on September 24, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Richard9. Comment #73294 by Nick Good on September 24, 2007 at 4:36 pm
10. Comment #73297 by Goldy on September 24, 2007 at 4:40 pm
11. Comment #73302 by Nick Good on September 24, 2007 at 4:49 pm
12. Comment #73313 by Damien White on September 24, 2007 at 5:05 pm
At the risk of starting an irrelevant thread (which I should not, as the excellent article above deserves discussion) i'll just say well said, Richard Morgan.13. Comment #73315 by Damien White on September 24, 2007 at 5:18 pm
What I should probably add to that last comment is that I don't expect this behaviour from others. Standing Out as an atheist can be a difficult and even dangerous thing to do, depending on where you are in the world, and if anyone feels in danger then naturally they should protect themselves. It's a personal thing, is what i'm saying.14. Comment #73320 by mdowe on September 24, 2007 at 5:43 pm
15. Comment #73321 by tieInterceptor on September 24, 2007 at 5:44 pm
if anyone feels in danger then naturally they should protect themselves. It's a personal thing, is what I'm saying.
16. Comment #73334 by goldmineguttd on September 24, 2007 at 7:00 pm
#7- hello, it's the internet. Since when were pseudonyms frowned on? Chillllll. I'm not hiding behind anything; I simply plugged in my current standard net handle when I signed up for this site.17. Comment #73368 by madhatter on September 24, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Nick Good:18. Comment #73373 by Russell Blackford on September 24, 2007 at 10:16 pm
It's not reasonable to expect someone like this to slough off her entire acculturation like a snake shedding its skin. She's eloguent and brave. Good for her.19. Comment #73399 by Nick Good on September 25, 2007 at 12:47 am
Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness.Source
20. Comment #73405 by scoobie on September 25, 2007 at 1:16 am
Can I just say that I too signed up using one of my standard net names. I wasn't aware that I would be offending any haughtier-than-thou net numpties when I did so. Chilllll.21. Comment #73408 by Logicel on September 25, 2007 at 1:21 am
22. Comment #73418 by HunterZolomon on September 25, 2007 at 1:46 am
23. Comment #73421 by Goldy on September 25, 2007 at 1:50 am
24. Comment #73431 by Richard Morgan on September 25, 2007 at 2:07 am
"Best" posters? Eloquent posters or people with the same opinion as you? Evidence please.Yes, I myself was unhappy with the adjective "best". I think I was talking about sound reasoning. (My English is often a little inadequate - I'm sorry about that.)
Surely you recognize the value in allowing people to post behind a pseudonym.I most certainly do. But I think that sometimes we need to "stand up and be counted".
Some people may not want their name splashed out for a reason.I think that people who hide always do so for a reason - resistance fighters, for example.
25. Comment #73439 by Russell Blackford on September 25, 2007 at 2:20 am
The worst thing that's happened to me so far from taking a stand on controversial issues in internet forums - using my real name - is the occasional odd email, such as someone I don't know sending me this link today:26. Comment #73442 by HunterZolomon on September 25, 2007 at 2:24 am
27. Comment #73446 by Prufrock on September 25, 2007 at 2:29 am
Richard Morgan,28. Comment #73454 by Goldy on September 25, 2007 at 2:43 am
29. Comment #73457 by Prufrock on September 25, 2007 at 2:52 am
My credibility is not something I would leave in your hands. I am sorry you believe that what is a statement of personal fact has somehow morphed into a psychological declaration, which you are really not qualified to make.30. Comment #73464 by Richard Morgan on September 25, 2007 at 3:17 am
Try to remember we are simply evaluating ideas, not people.In my part of the world "ideas" are things that "people" have, they don't just happen on their own, in a neat, impersonal way. And sometimes "people" have "ideas" that push them to slitting children's throats in front of their mothers, before the mother is gang-raped and slaughtered herself.
The requested user does not exist.This time, as far as Prufrock is concerned, I really and finally rest my case.
31. Comment #73484 by Prufrock on September 25, 2007 at 4:48 am
Richard32. Comment #73506 by Prieten on September 25, 2007 at 6:11 am
Richard Morgan, you are really way out of line. You should apologize to everyone here at Richard Dawkins Net. None of these people whom you have criticized is the "enemy within", they are all atheists like you. If they wish to use pseudonyms, that is their business. Nowhere in the Richard Dawkins Net does it say we have to use our real names. Who made you "God" here?33. Comment #73509 by Yorker on September 25, 2007 at 6:32 am
We all have our reasons for using or not using our real names, that's it.34. Comment #73523 by Prufrock on September 25, 2007 at 7:30 am
You really are pathetic. I have not heard so much paranoid nonsense in my whole life. Here is the mail I have sent to contact here at this website. A similar note has been sent to West Mercia. Journalists care about the environment we live in. This is nothing big and fancy, mega and global. This is simply common decency and understanding that you cannot just get away with talking like that about a stranger for ideas far removed from our everyday lives..35. Comment #73525 by Dr Benway on September 25, 2007 at 7:34 am
36. Comment #73528 by pewkatchoo on September 25, 2007 at 7:41 am
37. Comment #73531 by Corylus on September 25, 2007 at 7:50 am
38. Comment #73539 by Philip1978 on September 25, 2007 at 8:04 am
39. Comment #73545 by Flagellant on September 25, 2007 at 8:21 am
40. Comment #73550 by pewkatchoo on September 25, 2007 at 9:05 am
I do hope we can get back to the topic, now; it's such a change to get something worthwhile from Yasmin Alibhai-Brown.
41. Comment #73552 by hungarianelephant on September 25, 2007 at 9:10 am
42. Comment #73560 by Flagellant on September 25, 2007 at 9:34 am
43. Comment #73563 by FreeThink25 on September 25, 2007 at 9:45 am
Mark Twain....George Orwell...Lewis Carroll44. Comment #73566 by Flagellant on September 25, 2007 at 9:56 am
Explosive episodes are always gathering round the corner. We witnessed the organised outrage over the Channel 4 programmes exposing some of the vile imams still controlling some mosquesWe ought not to dismiss her out of hand quite so readily. 'Vile imams', eh? That's worse than the language she used about atheists!
45. Comment #73612 by Dr Benway on September 25, 2007 at 1:50 pm
46. Comment #73613 by gr8hands on September 25, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Personally, I never use my real name, nor do I go into detail about my credentials -- that merely reduces an argument to "because I said so, nyah!"47. Comment #73617 by USA_Limey on September 25, 2007 at 2:38 pm
48. Comment #73631 by Goldy on September 25, 2007 at 3:50 pm
None of these people whom you have criticized is the "enemy within", they are all atheists like you
49. Comment #73641 by Damien White on September 25, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Crikey. You leave a thread for 24 hours and look what happens.50. Comment #73644 by Goldy on September 25, 2007 at 5:07 pm
1. Comment #73177 by tieInterceptor on September 24, 2007 at 11:09 am
I think she overplays the golden years of Islam, more like the golden years of Kalifates with educated rulers who where powerful enough to not take Islam that seriously and promoted science in their courts. Then in time science became out of favour with the rulers, mostly due to the revered scholar Al-Ghazali, and religious literalism took over.
As we all know, if you read the Quran literally, then you get the answer to the article.
criticism is out of the question... and violent response demanded. That's enough to bring down any society.
related to this.
Science and the Koran: The Decline of Islamic Science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcSXwPsgLhE
then again I'm not an expert
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