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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Prejudicial concerns

by AC Grayling, Guardian

Thanks to Linda Ward Selbie for the link.

Reposted from:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ac_grayling/2007/10/prejudicial_concerns.html

Religious observance must be consistent and accept the inevitable consequences of clashing with society's inclusivity.

Mr Andrew McClintock, Christian and ex-magistrate, is appealing against an employment tribunal decision which went against him earlier this year when he sought redress for having, as he claimed, been forced to resign because he was not granted exemption from sitting in hearings in which children might be given into the care of gay couples, something that offends his religious scruples.

He wished to be allowed to keep his job and his prejudices simultaneously, and to be allowed not to comply with the law of the land, because the sexual morality of shepherds 3,000 years ago, keen on the increase of their flocks, made it taboo for sex ever to be about anything other than reproduction. This principle resulted in the murder of Onan by God, and the Catholic church's long-time view that rape is less bad than masturbation because it can result in pregnancy. It also resulted in the millennia-long oppression and persecution of gays, who were put to death by the devotees of gentle Jesus meek and mild, an oppression and persecution that Mr McClintock wishes to keep alive.

Well: Mr McClintock did exactly the right thing by resigning. If his prejudices interfere with his responsibility to serve the law as one of its officers, he is evidently much better employed elsewhere. Think of a votary of any other religion allowing his personal beliefs to prevent him from carrying out his public duties in the UK: an orthodox Jewish fireman who would not carry a woman down a ladder from a burning house because he is allowed to touch no other woman than his wife and daughters; a devout Muslim in a council education department refusing to let girls into a certain school because there are boys there, or working for an adoption agency and refusing to countenance applications from gay couples; a doctor of either faith refusing to help a woman at the scene of an accident for the same kind of scruples - odd how all the examples that spring most readily to mind involve prejudices about women and gays.

The point is an entirely general one. When individuals cannot allow their religious loyalties to be trumped by their public responsibilities, they should resign; the alternative is for the public domain to be invaded and disrupted by a Babel of claimed individual religious sensitivities, or even worse, by various religious organisations whose prejudices, taboos, anxieties and antipathies distort the overall public endeavour for a decent and equitable social order which is as inclusive as possible. The McClintock case is another powerful argument for saying: if you are serious about your religion, be consistent and honest and accept the consequences, as Mr McClintock has rightly done by resigning. What he has done wrong (apart from allowing his life to be controlled by ancient superstition and prejudice) is to complain about the rest of us thinking he has done the right thing.

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1. Comment #80893 by Cartomancer on October 23, 2007 at 11:47 am

 avatarBravo Professor Grayling! Rem acu tetigisti with a vengeance!

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2. Comment #80898 by Bertybob on October 23, 2007 at 11:56 am

 avatarExcellently pointed out, and almost exactly the sort of things I was shouting at the radio when I heard about it. My version had more expletives though!!

I wish the UK were more like France in this respect and church and state are totally separate and kept secular.

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3. Comment #80902 by Big T on October 23, 2007 at 12:13 pm

Hear, hear!

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4. Comment #80904 by cowalker on October 23, 2007 at 12:27 pm

Does that mean the reporter would say that I, as a vegetarian, can't be excused from ringing up the meat purchases at my grocery job? Oh, and by the way, candy corn and yogurt have gelatin in them, so I can't ring them up either. I suspect reading all the labels will slow me down a bit at first, but I have strong ethical concerns about eating animals, so I'm sure the customers won't mind waiting.

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5. Comment #80906 by posiedon on October 23, 2007 at 12:36 pm

 avatarI posted this comment to the article at the Guardian website.

I wonder if Andrew McClintock would feel he
couldn't sit on a case if it involved, a farmer growing two different crops in the same field, any member of the public who chose to wear clothes made of mixed fibres, or any member of the public up on a blasphemy charge (a victimless crime).
It irritates me that the "religious" can ignore most of the nonsense written in the buy-bull, but not for some strange reason when it comes to sexuality, they cling on to this homophobic religious bullshit like a drowning man would cling to a piece of driftwood. I wonder why that is?

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6. Comment #80915 by Goldy on October 23, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Religion, sexuality and the fuckwittery of it all.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm
Yep, used this for another argument, but this reference covers this as well, methinks

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7. Comment #80916 by Barbara on October 23, 2007 at 1:41 pm

 avatarExcellent article!

Comment #80906 by posiedon
It irritates me that the "religious" can ignore most of the nonsense written in the buy-bull, but not for some strange reason when it comes to sexuality, they cling on to this homophobic religious bullshit like a drowning man would cling to a piece of driftwood. I wonder why that is?

I've often wondered the same thing.

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8. Comment #80924 by Duff on October 23, 2007 at 2:13 pm

I'm waiting with bated breath for the first bloviating religiousite to actually come out and proclaim himself (it will be man) a literal believer in the old testament and advocate stoning of those wicked gays.

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9. Comment #80925 by Corylus on October 23, 2007 at 2:16 pm

 avatarPosieden and Barbara
It irritates me that the "religious" can ignore most of the nonsense written in the buy-bull, but not for some strange reason when it comes to sexuality, they cling on to this homophobic religious bullshit like a drowning man would cling to a piece of driftwood. I wonder why that is?

Personal theory. I think that this is because homosexuality is a minority position (and is apt to remain that way - unlike outdated dietary restrictions or injunctions concerning the mixing of fibres or crops).

We are status animals - if we can't be top dog we like to be part of the accepted majority. Lack of status becomes bearable, as long as there is some available 'other' to look down upon.

Homosexuality is a convenient, and statistically stable, other.

For 90% (give or take) of people, no matter how low on your luck they are, what vile acts they may have committed or how many people they may have hurt, they can always boost their fragile self esteem by saying "Well at least that's not me!"

If "God" agrees then this cowardly position is given validation.

Auden (a gay man) nailed it:
...Is true of the normal heart;
For the error bred in the bone
Of each woman and each man
Craves what it cannot have,
Not universal love
But to be loved alone...
Not all religious people are homophobes, of course, but it is infuriatingly common.

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10. Comment #80927 by dloubet on October 23, 2007 at 2:43 pm

Cowalker, I think the writer is saying the exact opposite.

He's suggesting that the vegetarian should resign from his checkout position rather than adopt the draconian procedures you've outlined. ;-)

Denis

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11. Comment #80930 by bluebird on October 23, 2007 at 2:49 pm

 avatarThis is somewhat similiar to U.S. pharmacists being allowed to refuse dispensing birth control (esp. Plan B) to women (some won't even dispense Viagra to unmarried men). "It goes against my personal convictions".

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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12. Comment #80934 by scottishgeologist on October 23, 2007 at 3:05 pm

 avatarDuff:
I'm waiting with bated breath for the first bloviating religiousite to actually come out and proclaim himself (it will be man) a literal believer in the old testament and advocate stoning of those wicked gays.


That lot that called themselves theonomists believe in just that! There is a theonomy FAQ here:

http://www.forerunner.com/theofaq.html

Note this beauty:

8. We want civil government to punish evil doers according to biblical sanctions. We want all moral laws of the Old Testament to be enforced according to biblical standards.

Some may object: Isn't this harsh? Isn't this barbaric? No, in fact it will lead to greater liberty for the godly. We want the ungodly punished according to God's Law-Word because it is what God prescribes. We have been conditioned according to a humanistic worldview to reject Old Testament law as "barbaric" or "outdated." God's law is not harsh, barbaric nor antiquated, because God is neither harsh, barbaric nor antiquated!


Chilling stuff!

SG

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13. Comment #80938 by Shuggy on October 23, 2007 at 3:15 pm

 avatarbluebird, should pharmacists be required to dispense birth control? Should doctors be required to perform abortions? Circumcisions? Should people be required to perform military service? There are questions about when one person's conscientious objection impacts on another's conscientious requirement (and a third party's protection).

McClintock's case is clear: as a magistrate he is required to uphold the law, not rewrite it, but in some of these other cases, the individual needs to be protected from the collective (sorry for the Ayn Randianism).

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14. Comment #80942 by ? on October 23, 2007 at 3:24 pm

 avatarWhat exactly is this fool complaining about? If you can't do your job for reasons of consience, resign! The only reasonable exception is that of pacifists in a time/place that has military conscription. Fine, let them do their service to the state in some non-violent way. My grandfather did this in WW II.

But don't intentionally TAKE a job and then refuse to do it!!!! If you become a judge or a cop you have to enforce the law. And as usual gays and gay-related issues are singled out for special abuse by these cretins. Magicly, no other law interferes with his faith. All other laws in one of the world's most secular nations are strangely enough 100% fundie-friendly! Or, more likely, he just wouldn't care as long as he got to exercise his favorite prejudice.

If he wins his appeal, some other judge should claim to be an anarchist and as such must be excused from any case in which s/he is required to enforce any law whatsoever. But the salary, social prestige and pension plan are nice, so please let me keep the position! :)

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15. Comment #80953 by Jack Rawlinson on October 23, 2007 at 4:48 pm

 avatarThe more Grayling I read, the more I like him.

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16. Comment #80959 by Theocrapcy on October 23, 2007 at 5:05 pm

 avatar"if you are serious about your religion, be consistent and honest and accept the consequences"

Excellent turn of phrase Mr Grayling, bravo. We need to continue to turn the language of secularism back at the faith-heads and remind them that they are beholden to the laws and norms of modern society, not the other way around as they would have us all accept without question or criticism.

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17. Comment #80968 by kraut on October 23, 2007 at 6:25 pm

"bluebird, should pharmacists be required to dispense birth control? Should doctors be required to perform abortions? Circumcisions? Should people be required to perform military service?"

The answer was given many times before: If your conscience interferes with your job description, get out of the job. Nobody forces you, but if it is your job, you only have two options - do your duty, or leave it. Has absolutely nothing to do with protection from the collective. Has to do with protectng the collective from professionals letting their conscience getting in the way of expected duty.

Military service is an entirely different matter if the army is based on national service model.
In a democratic state - you have alternattives to the draft.

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18. Comment #81079 by nickthelight on October 24, 2007 at 2:53 am

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19. Comment #81172 by notsobad on October 24, 2007 at 10:27 am

 avatarAnd not just religious, any others.

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20. Comment #82347 by irate_atheist on October 26, 2007 at 5:52 am

 avatarRe: Comment #81079 by nickthelight -

I couldn't agree more.


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