American kids, dumber than dirt: Warning: The next generation might just be the biggest pile of idiots in U.S. history
I have this ongoing discussion with a longtime reader who also just so happens to be a longtime Oakland high school teacher, a wonderful guy who's seen generations of teens come and generations go and who has a delightful poetic sensibility and quirky outlook on his life and his family and his beloved teaching career.2. Comment #81610 by Zakie Chan on October 25, 2007 at 1:01 am
3. Comment #81625 by BAEOZ on October 25, 2007 at 1:27 am
4. Comment #81630 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am
5. Comment #81631 by pyota on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am
6. Comment #81632 by scottishgeologist on October 25, 2007 at 1:37 am
7. Comment #81639 by Goldy on October 25, 2007 at 1:41 am
8. Comment #81644 by elfinabout on October 25, 2007 at 1:52 am
9. Comment #81678 by DreadPirate on October 25, 2007 at 3:03 am
10. Comment #81681 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 25, 2007 at 3:07 am
11. Comment #81682 by BathTub on October 25, 2007 at 3:09 am
I think it's becoming clearer and clearer, that if I am ever lucky enough to have kids, that I must never let them watch television. Well at least in a babysitting sense.12. Comment #81687 by eoinc on October 25, 2007 at 3:25 am
Oh, come on! How many people here went to public schools, have cell phones, iPods (or equivalent), watch TV, play video games or eat junk food? Quite a lot of us, I'll bet. The problem is one of attitudes, which I think are derived largely from the parents. Is education valued by the family? I was lucky: both my parents are teachers, so they value education very highly. This value became imprinted onto me, and so I turned out just fine, despite having watched TV, played video games, gone to a public school, and all the rest of it.13. Comment #81689 by Duff on October 25, 2007 at 3:27 am
Perhaps a bit of an over reaction, this article.14. Comment #81692 by Theocrapcy on October 25, 2007 at 3:39 am
15. Comment #81698 by Philip1978 on October 25, 2007 at 3:51 am
16. Comment #81717 by CJ22 on October 25, 2007 at 4:59 am
17. Comment #81744 by devolve on October 25, 2007 at 5:54 am
18. Comment #81747 by mrmatt on October 25, 2007 at 6:00 am
19. Comment #81757 by Davin06 on October 25, 2007 at 6:17 am
20. Comment #81760 by mikeshin on October 25, 2007 at 6:22 am
Overall an alarmist article but many good points. Especially about mandatory testing. "....of the 182 school days in a year, there are 110 when such testing is going on somewhere at Oakland High"21. Comment #81768 by bluebird on October 25, 2007 at 6:38 am
22. Comment #81781 by bamafreethinker on October 25, 2007 at 7:07 am
23. Comment #81787 by keith on October 25, 2007 at 7:21 am
24. Comment #81788 by Tea Q on October 25, 2007 at 7:22 am
mrmatt,25. Comment #81799 by frikkenkids on October 25, 2007 at 7:48 am
In response to Duff : "'''the one thing these young people were most interested in was becoming good parents. I wouldn't be so upset, if I were you."26. Comment #81815 by jacen110091 on October 25, 2007 at 8:28 am
27. Comment #81866 by happyatheist on October 25, 2007 at 10:11 am
Me like TV...TV good. LOL! For the most part I agree with the content in this article...but I will defend the telly by saying that as long as it isn't watched 24 hours a day...it can be pretty useful. There are things I've learned from programs and documentaries on the Science Channel, Discovery Channel and PBS that I didn't learn in school (yes, I'm American, LOL!)...Some things weren't known or discovered until AFTER I had already finished my formal education...and I like to keep abreast of current events. TV and internet can help one catch up fairly quickly. :)..I will admit that the "educational" programs aren't all I watch ('Survivor' is a fave)...but I do know when to turn the telly off and open a fecking book. LOL!28. Comment #81911 by Alkal on October 25, 2007 at 11:34 am
As another hard working foreigner in the US, I am also one of the geniuses in my class. i just take the facilities here as an inspiration to work harder, and to be brighter than I was before....29. Comment #81916 by Steven Mading on October 25, 2007 at 11:43 am
I think a huge part of the problem is the simple fact that the tendency to think of "nerds" as being worthy of scorn keeps getting stronger and stronger. The peer pressure that acedemic success is something to ridicule will destroy a lot of very young minds just as they're starting to get curious.30. Comment #82032 by cynthax on October 25, 2007 at 3:04 pm
I am also a foreigner (Brazilian) living in the US. I'm a teaching assistant at a big university, and us foreign TAs are always amazed at how some of the undergrads even made it into college.31. Comment #82114 by hotshoe on October 25, 2007 at 5:33 pm
32. Comment #82116 by Mags on October 25, 2007 at 5:33 pm
As a student in American public schools, I can personally and sadly attest to the validity of this article.33. Comment #82143 by Augustus Osari on October 25, 2007 at 6:28 pm
As a student in the American public school system, I can personally attest that this article is absolute trash. The Bible is infinitely more credible than this horrible series of complete lies.34. Comment #82197 by Null-T on October 25, 2007 at 8:55 pm
35. Comment #82205 by ? on October 25, 2007 at 9:28 pm
36. Comment #82208 by Bonzai on October 25, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Well, what is new? A bunch of geezers,--or geezer wanabes,-- getting together to complain how stupid and rude young people are. Something never changes. It seems to be fairly universal for older adults to forget what it was like to be young. The old days always seem to be so much better and the world is always going to hell in a hand basket.37. Comment #82211 by Denevius on October 25, 2007 at 9:53 pm
38. Comment #82229 by Convertedchristian on October 25, 2007 at 10:38 pm
this article is completely unscientific. Anybody can say something from their own personal experience and it wouldn't mean a thing. That is not to say that our educational system is spectacular, it most certainly is not. But to go as far as to say that people are thinking of moving out of the country because of the educational system is just ludicrous. This is just parents who aren't taking responsibility for their children. It is the parents responsibility to instill educational values into their children and not just blame the educational system. Other aspect of this is attitudes. Many students just don't container about their grades and about education in general and it is those students are bringing our scores down. I would also like to address some comments made above about foreign students. Their comments can be misleading I think. One must remember that foreign slots at American universities are highly competitive and that it is no stretch of the imagination to say that only the smartest for the students are able to get into our universities or the richest so naturally those students will probably be smarter than the average American students entering into the universities here in the states. I believe this article is evidence of our failing educational system. If are going to debate education let's at least be smart about it when and present some scientific information so we can get an accurate representation rather than watch someone's personal experience was in Canada or Oakland or in India. Education is a two-way street, you got to put the work in to get a something out of it. I am dictating this to my computer so if you see any strange things above its because of the dictation software and because I'm too lazy to edit it. Oh no, the educational system has failed me!39. Comment #82246 by kabal on October 25, 2007 at 11:38 pm
@Mark Morford40. Comment #82344 by Convertedchristian on October 26, 2007 at 5:41 am
Kabal, what does my username have to do with anything? Convertedchristian means that I CONVERTED from Christianity to atheism you moron. Don't tell me what i can and cannot talk about. And by the way, bush didn't win the first time, and he barley won the second time, and even then he may not have won fair and square. the brits reelected Tony blair, likewise John Howard was reelected, Germany and France now have more conservative governments, but i really don't think someone as immature as you deserves any response at all. The article is unscientific and you just don't like me pointing that out because you like the article. maybe you should start going to church, i think you'd like it.41. Comment #82346 by irate_atheist on October 26, 2007 at 5:47 am
42. Comment #82352 by detox on October 26, 2007 at 6:09 am
Miami Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder has admitted not knowing people speak English in London.
He's black, so I'm sure he's not from London.
43. Comment #82353 by kabal on October 26, 2007 at 6:15 am
@Convertedchristian44. Comment #82360 by Bookman on October 26, 2007 at 6:28 am
At the time I was born, in California, over 40 years ago, that state had the best public education system in the country. Once the conservative revolution took hold, in the late seventies, their great system was essentially abandoned by the government. Now it is ranked 49th out of 50. Only Mississippi is worse. Give credit where credit is due -- to Movement conservatives.45. Comment #82378 by HunterZolomon on October 26, 2007 at 7:46 am
46. Comment #82383 by annabanana on October 26, 2007 at 8:02 am
47. Comment #82412 by Bonzai on October 26, 2007 at 8:48 am
HunterZolomon wrote:A friend of mine, 8 years younger than me, went to public school. During math, she had to sit in the back of the classroom with her Walkman cranked up to max volume simply to be able to concentrate on the problems in the mathbook.
48. Comment #82439 by Nick6742 on October 26, 2007 at 10:34 am
49. Comment #82465 by Red Foot Okie on October 26, 2007 at 11:47 am
50. Comment #82469 by hopeful on October 26, 2007 at 11:54 am
I am 47 and superficially it seems to me the same is happening here in New Zealand, and there certainly seems to be an entrenched welfare-state dependency and lack of parental capability and responsibility that is breeding generations of people that are not much use to themselves or anyone else.This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #81604 by Philip1978 on October 25, 2007 at 12:45 am
I fear I might be generalising here, tell me if I am wrong and I will retract my words, but I have this sinking feeling that the people who probably should be having kids only have one or not at all and those who are not aiding society are producing a generation.
Yikes!
Philip
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