Tests of faith over 'The Golden Compass'
In adapting Philip Pullman's novel, New Line is in a tight spot between the book's true-believer following and those who find it anti-religious.2. Comment #83283 by Ducklike on October 29, 2007 at 1:54 pm
3. Comment #83288 by boozec on October 29, 2007 at 2:03 pm
These books are hardly anti-religous.4. Comment #83290 by mmurray on October 29, 2007 at 2:12 pm
If Lyra's transformation from hero to second-class citizen is what passes for anti-Christian storytelling, maybe we should be looking for a new way out of the religion problem.
5. Comment #83293 by Quine on October 29, 2007 at 2:26 pm
6. Comment #83297 by bluebird on October 29, 2007 at 2:41 pm
7. Comment #83300 by Cartomancer on October 29, 2007 at 2:54 pm
8. Comment #83301 by Dax on October 29, 2007 at 2:54 pm
9. Comment #83303 by mandrellian on October 29, 2007 at 3:00 pm
"...there is nothing innocent about Pullman's agenda...twin goals are to promote atheism and denigrate Christianity to kids"."10. Comment #83312 by Geoff on October 29, 2007 at 3:41 pm
11. Comment #83314 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on October 29, 2007 at 3:46 pm
12. Comment #83315 by Kakashi_monkey on October 29, 2007 at 3:52 pm
13. Comment #83317 by Bonzai on October 29, 2007 at 4:00 pm
There seems to be a hint of gnostic Christianity to it. In the trilogy "the Authority" (God)is depicted as a cosmic tyrant of the mode of the OT. He deceived the angels by claiming to be the creator of the multiverse and the One True God. The angels rebelled when they found out the truth and a heavenly civil war broke out. In the end the Authority died and his celestial absolute Monarchy was overthrown.14. Comment #83319 by mmurray on October 29, 2007 at 4:09 pm
So what fantasy elements does he introduce to differentiate it from the real University of Oxford then?
15. Comment #83323 by coretemprising on October 29, 2007 at 4:28 pm
All that money for one more movie. Better spent elsewhere. Bah.16. Comment #83328 by mark8 on October 29, 2007 at 5:02 pm
17. Comment #83336 by alexmzk on October 29, 2007 at 5:51 pm
"Earlier this month, he [William Donohue] called on Christians to boycott the movie because it will "seduce" parents into buying Pullman's "pro-atheist" book."18. Comment #83339 by Linda on October 29, 2007 at 6:09 pm
Pullman's review of TGD:19. Comment #83340 by Damien White on October 29, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Perhaps the church's opposition to this could be a good thing. If the film is atheistic (and I can't comment, having not [yet] read the books) does that mean that if it is a runaway success ala Harry Potter, then atheists can claim those numbers as evidence of growing mainstream support?20. Comment #83342 by Crazymalc on October 29, 2007 at 6:16 pm
21. Comment #83346 by boozec on October 29, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Fox News link:22. Comment #83351 by Frankus1122 on October 29, 2007 at 6:55 pm
23. Comment #83358 by Quine on October 29, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Original sin is the knowledge of good and evil. Is that right? It was wrong for us to disobey god and because of that we know what is good and what is bad. So knowledge is bad - sinful. Ignorance is bliss.
24. Comment #83361 by ? on October 29, 2007 at 7:42 pm
25. Comment #83363 by Serious on October 29, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Hmmm. It would be hard to buy this kind of advanced publicity.26. Comment #83364 by notbadfora human on October 29, 2007 at 7:58 pm
27. Comment #83377 by Jason P on October 29, 2007 at 9:35 pm
His Dark Materials is amazing. Reading the books laid the foundation for my conversion to atheism. I highly recommend them to you, your kids, and all your friends. These attacks are disturbing, but not surprising. The Catholic League is frightened.28. Comment #83381 by Ashley1319 on October 29, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Hm. I do believe that there is a sort of Anti-fundamentalism in the book. Pullman uses the most powerful organization in the world to show how blind faith and dogma will destroy: the Catholic Church. It's not like he was just poking the Catholics in the eye: he's poking all anti-intellectuals in the eye. The books are about the dangers of fanaticism, and of being too quick to label people as evil(the witch covens for example.)29. Comment #83395 by hightrekker on October 29, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Might be time to jettison the Cabbages For Christ as a market segment. When you let ignorance control content, ignorance is perpetuated and continued.30. Comment #83401 by 35bluejacket on October 29, 2007 at 11:43 pm
One interpretation of the garden of eden is that we have recieved the possibility of spiritual death (not physical death), by the eating of the fruit ie, the knowledge of good and evil. By rational thought it is not possible to know or judge if something is good, unless we have a comparison, like a relative evil and viceversa.31. Comment #83405 by 35bluejacket on October 30, 2007 at 12:01 am
In sum. Our gift from the garden of eden was the heavy responsibility of free will and rational thought.32. Comment #83408 by mattcable on October 30, 2007 at 12:34 am
"Perhaps the church's opposition to this could be a good thing. If the film is atheistic (and I can't comment, having not [yet] read the books) does that mean that if it is a runaway success ala Harry Potter, then atheists can claim those numbers as evidence of growing mainstream support?"33. Comment #83415 by Philip1978 on October 30, 2007 at 1:36 am
34. Comment #83417 by Quetzalcoatl on October 30, 2007 at 1:48 am
James Dobson's evangelical Christian behemoth Focus on the Family, the moral activists who review films and books for an audience of 5 million -- though even that group's protests of Fox Searchlight's 2004 film on pioneering sex researcher "Kinsey" and the TV cartoon "SpongeBob Squarepants" didn't significantly affect viewership of either
35. Comment #83419 by Logicel on October 30, 2007 at 2:05 am
36. Comment #83423 by Apemanblues on October 30, 2007 at 2:26 am
37. Comment #83425 by steve99 on October 30, 2007 at 2:34 am
Plus, the fighting polar bears will be really cool.
38. Comment #83427 by NJS on October 30, 2007 at 2:42 am
I'm in two minds over this. I've read the trilogy and enjoyed it but everything I've read about the movies suggest a censorship of the bad guy.39. Comment #83428 by Nefrubyr on October 30, 2007 at 2:42 am
Bill Donohue, president of The Catholic League, has condemned The Golden Compass as a "pernicious" effort to indoctrinate children into anti-Christian beliefs....
40. Comment #83434 by epeeist on October 30, 2007 at 3:07 am
Bill Donohue, president of The Catholic League, has condemned The Golden Compass as a "pernicious" effort to indoctrinate children into anti-Christian beliefs....
Bill: it's fiction.
41. Comment #83441 by Matt7895 on October 30, 2007 at 3:49 am
42. Comment #83461 by coretemprising on October 30, 2007 at 5:04 am
.43. Comment #83467 by coretemprising on October 30, 2007 at 5:17 am
Hey Logicel, sure, but do you think we might get a handle on things down here first? Oh, I don't know, like war, religion, world hunger, global warming and pollution maybe?44. Comment #83468 by Futtilitardus on October 30, 2007 at 5:22 am
coretemprising,45. Comment #83470 by NJS on October 30, 2007 at 5:30 am
Not sure about LOTR but Titanic made more than $1bn.46. Comment #83472 by Logicel on October 30, 2007 at 5:39 am
47. Comment #83474 by coretemprising on October 30, 2007 at 5:52 am
Ok, but how about we just take the money and specifically use it towards problem solving, rather than the same being solved obliquely, rather like some reverse collateral damage?48. Comment #83476 by Logicel on October 30, 2007 at 6:07 am
49. Comment #83477 by Futtilitardus on October 30, 2007 at 6:15 am
Thanks, Logicel!50. Comment #83479 by keith on October 30, 2007 at 6:24 am
Err... Why problem did the have with my main main Spongebob Squarepants?
1. Comment #83268 by Klaatu barada nikto on October 29, 2007 at 1:24 pm
It's funny that it ends with "the truth needs to come out."
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