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The question of the nature of reality is one that likely will never go away. There will always be those who support the belief that this mysterious "something" exists, and there will be those on the opposing side. We must work with the tools available to us, and those just happen to be limited to our five innate senses and the knowledge that we have gained through science and reason.2. Comment #86581 by oxytocin on November 9, 2007 at 4:39 pm
3. Comment #86584 by Janus on November 9, 2007 at 4:51 pm
4. Comment #86604 by John Done on November 9, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Alright, here's a (fairly) simple rule to follow when determining whether or not an idea reflects *any* reality human beings can possibly care about:5. Comment #86606 by BAEOZ on November 9, 2007 at 5:20 pm
6. Comment #86607 by Diacanu on November 9, 2007 at 5:22 pm
7. Comment #86609 by notsobad on November 9, 2007 at 5:29 pm
8. Comment #86637 by Ducklike on November 9, 2007 at 7:41 pm
9. Comment #86644 by ksskidude on November 9, 2007 at 8:12 pm
10. Comment #86652 by oxytocin on November 9, 2007 at 9:06 pm
11. Comment #86655 by Paine on November 9, 2007 at 9:45 pm
I hope D'souza has the guts to respond. The twit is known to lurk around these pages, trolling for out-of-context quotes he can use for his self-aggrandizement.12. Comment #86660 by octopus on November 9, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Nobody would dare to base a monumental decision on anything other than evidence in their daily lives, yet they are expected to do so with regards to this one matter—one that, according to D'Souza's religion, would be the most important decision anybody could ever make.
13. Comment #86667 by sapient on November 9, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Paine Said:
I hope D'souza has the guts to respond. The twit is known to lurk around these pages, trolling for out-of-context quotes he can use for his self-aggrandizement.
If he has read this( and Im pretty sure he reads anything with his name in it) and if he is man enough( which I seriously doubt) he'd put finger to keyboard and respond.
What say, Dinesh?
14. Comment #86681 by Conrad on November 10, 2007 at 12:18 am
Now THAT is the kind of ice cold takedown I like to see. I'm still chuckling wondering if Dinesh even knows what noumena are. After seeing this article, I can't wait to see the next 50! I expect that they all will reach and surpass this level of sharp, intelligent and concise takedown. RRS, you may very well have one new reader.15. Comment #86688 by Logicel on November 10, 2007 at 1:06 am
16. Comment #86695 by Summer Seale on November 10, 2007 at 1:48 am
I have absolutely no problem believing in a God.17. Comment #86701 by Flagellant on November 10, 2007 at 2:11 am
Kant contended that while science and reason apply to the world of sensory phenomena, of things as they are experienced by us, science and reason cannot penetrate what Kant termed the noumena – things as they are in themselves. [My italics]I recommend D'Souza's original article. Here's the link http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1017/p09s06-coop.html . There are other things about it to criticise. Why not have a go at adding to the debunking?
18. Comment #86704 by Summer Seale on November 10, 2007 at 2:24 am
Flagellant,19. Comment #86710 by Corylus on November 10, 2007 at 2:36 am
20. Comment #86717 by Conrad on November 10, 2007 at 2:46 am
Flagellant,21. Comment #86736 by Flagellant on November 10, 2007 at 3:26 am
22. Comment #86738 by steve99 on November 10, 2007 at 3:33 am
23. Comment #86748 by Elcristoph on November 10, 2007 at 3:52 am
The burden of proof argument always makes me laugh, reason being. you'll usually get the line "Well you don't KNOW god doesn't exist" at which point you can say no I don't KNOW so how can you...D'Souza used the argument from Kant who says that as we can only view the world from our own small perspective, i.e the spectrum of light in that we cant see UV ect. then we cannot fully trust our answers and explanations as we cannot fully trust if what we see/test is true or not, basically its his argument is we cannot know everything so you cannot rule out the possibility of a god. well my answer to that would be this, as I can only go on my human experience just like everyone else including him, I have concluded that I don't believe there is a god, however as he pointed out you cannot be 100% so there is only a chance, but D'Souza takes it further than that and says that even known he accepts there are UNKNOWNS he then gives this unknown a character and a will, when by his own argument he cannot know what it is.24. Comment #86811 by HereticChick on November 10, 2007 at 7:46 am
25. Comment #86935 by Summer Seale on November 10, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Flagellant,26. Comment #86984 by Conrad on November 10, 2007 at 8:49 pm
Flagellant,This article is reposted from a website that accepts comments.
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1. Comment #86564 by BaronOchs on November 9, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Kant was a fideist who argued god's existence cannot be demonstrated in any case, and I'd say that his fideism is the least likely position of his anyone would be persuaded to adopt nowadays.
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