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Sunday, November 11, 2007 | Science : Psychiatry and Psychology | print version Print | Comments

Document I Am, Therefore I Rationalize

by John Tierney, NY Times

Reposted from:
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/i-am-therefore-i-rationalize/index.html

Since writing about the newly discovered ability of monkeys to rationalize, I've gotten reactions to the experiment from some other experts in cognitive dissonance. Some of them find the new research with monkeys intriguing but say it doesn't explain the complicated forms of rationalization employed by human primates.

I heard from Elliot Aronson, who started his career at Stanford working with the father of cognitive dissonance theory, Leon Festinger. He and Dr. Festinger had what he calls a "strenuous running argument" over whether cognitive dissonance would be aroused in the mind of a guy who got a flat tire on a lonely country road at night and discovered he didn't have a jack in his trunk. Dr. Festinger maintained there'd be no cognitive dissonance because there were no conflicting throughts in the guy's head; Dr. Aronson disagreed, arguing that the driver's "cognition about his idiotic behavior" would conflict with his "self-concept of being a reasonably smart guy." The notion that we rationalize in order to preserve our "self-concept" became one of the competing explanations for cognitive dissonance.

Monkeys presumably don't have all that elaborate a concept of themselves, yet in the experiment at Yale, once they chose a red M&M over a blue M&M, they seemed to be afflicted with cognitive dissonance — and reduced it by acting as if they didn't like the blue one anyway. How does this finding jibe with the self-concept theory? I asked Dr. Aronson and Carol Tavris, the co-authors of a new book, "Mistakes Were Made (but not by me)." Here's their answer:

The monkey research shows that the brain is nicely adapted to efficiently maintain its beliefs and decisions at a basic neurological level. But human beings have that damned cerebral cortex, the part that allows us to say, subsequently, "Say, Consumer Reports says that red M&M's are really bad for your health, but blue ones are beneficial." Here in LA, that would produce a run on blue M&Ms, no matter how many red ones had been popular.

More important, unlike monkeys, we have a self-concept that we are constantly trying to protect and live up to–monkeys rarely have to worry about bad reviews, or feeling foolish about having voted for a leader who started inter-troop warfare. As we say in our book, dissonance reduction may hum along beneath awareness, but how we learn to think about decisions, whether we admit they were wrong and change course–not easy, but that ability does differentiate us from monkeys. Sometimes!


Other experts suggested that the monkeys' behavior tended to support "self-perception" theory — which (bear with me) is not the same as "self-concept" theory. It's the theory that once you perceive yourself making a choice — say, an electric sandwich press over a toaster, as in the classic experiment I described in my column — then you conclude that the toaster must be unappealing to you simply because you rejected it, not because you're trying to banish the dissonant thought that you made a mistake.

Could be that what was going on with the monkeys? Here's an answer from the social psychologist Daniel Gilbert, the author of "Stumbling On Happiness":

The data in the monkey study are extremely interesting. They could be interpreted in terms of cognitive dissonance theory, but there are other interpretations as well. For example, monkeys may be wired not to waste time making the same evaluation twice. So once they reject something, they remember that they rejected it and reject it again in the future. The fact that monkeys derogate unchosen items is novel and important, but the "Why?" question is still unanswered.


I also heard from the scientist who did that famous 1956 experiment, Jack Brehm, and he concurs with the researchers who see cognitive dissonance in the monkeys:

It does not surprise me that monkeys behave in this way. Cognitions guide behavior for monkeys, dogs, cats, and other animals as well as humans, and frequently there will be conflicts between behavioral options. When a choice is made, one or more preferences can be thwarted, and that is the basis of dissonance. So the animal (including humans) must give up its desire for the rejected alternative.


Dr. Brehm, who was a student of Dr. Festinger's, calls the monkey experiment "a genuine contribution–one that Festinger would have liked," and says it "suggests that the basic process involved in dissonance does not depend on factors that have been suggested by a variety of researchers as central to the dissonance process–the self-concept, for example."

Are you sensing some disonnance among researchers here? Well, they've only been debating this topic for half a century now.

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1. Comment #87093 by VanYoungman on November 11, 2007 at 7:22 am

 avatarThe fascinating thing about cognitive dissonance in human beings is how coumulative it is. We start lying to ourselves very early on and to ignore that dissonance we lie still more eventually compounding the lies until they reach the ultimate lie, namely "there is an afterlife and a loving father type to fogive all our lies."

That lie seems of alleviate all our other lies and if we're real good, we become the super liars which comprise the Pat Roberstons, Ted Haggarts, Jerry Falwells and Osama Bin Laden's of this world.

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2. Comment #87140 by Rtambree on November 11, 2007 at 10:03 am

Rationalism is overrated. Anyone can rationalise anything: post-hoc explanations, cognitive dissonance, commencing with the conclusion and working backwards, pattern-seeking, self-delusion, the left-hemipshere interpreter, apologetics, yadda yadda. Armchair philosophy, no matter now carefully done, always ends up in wild speculation that has nothing to do with reality.

Empiricism trumps rationalism.

In academia, there's far too many "intellectuals" interpreting too little new data. Hence, the signal to noise ratio is poor.

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3. Comment #87199 by Mr DArcy on November 11, 2007 at 12:50 pm

 avatarRtambree has a point. Psychologists still defer to the theories of Freud, Jung and others in the field. As a discipline, IMO, they have not kept abreast of the science relating to their subject.

The expressions: "too many chiefs and not enough indians" and or "too many generals and not enough soldiers" spring to mind.

I think it was Marx who said something like " philosophers have interpreted the world in many different ways, the point however is to change it". It's a point of view that I agree with.

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4. Comment #87256 by Zakie Chan on November 11, 2007 at 3:26 pm

 avatarComment #87140 by Rtambree:

I never thought of it like that before. Very good (and interesting) point!

Though, one might say that there is a difference in rational thinking, and rationalization. You used rational thinking to conclude that rationalizations arent rational lol.

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5. Comment #87289 by octopus on November 11, 2007 at 4:59 pm

In academia, there's far too many "intellectuals" interpreting too little new data. Hence, the signal to noise ratio is poor.

In addition to that, curve fitted to poor set of data points is poor predictor.

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6. Comment #87501 by sbe on November 12, 2007 at 10:06 am

It seems that Rtambree needs to take a course in remedial English before he starts pontificating about "intellectuals" and "armchair philosphy".

It was philosophers, not scientists who demonstrated that god does not exist. While Issac Newton was frittering away the remainder of his life worshiping an imaginary deity and trying to turn lead into gold, David Hume was about to revolutionize how we understand reality and knowledge. As John Maynard Keynes once said "Newton was not the first of the age of reason: he was the last of the magicians." Meanwhile Hume's ideas made the modern world possible.

It was another philosopher, Baron d'Holbach who was the first European to have the courage to publicly deny the existence of god at a time when doing so could get you killed. He also coined the the term Atheism.

Yet another philosopher Karl Popper defined and set the standard for modern scientific method and research.

The world would be a very poor place indeed if all the knowledge at our disposal came only from science. Science describes how the natural world works, philosophy describes the consequences of existing in the natural world and even the consequences of having scientific knowledge.

Now for Rtambree's english lesson:
From http://dictionary.reference.com/

From ra·tion·al·ism –noun
1. the principle or habit of accepting reason as the supreme authority in matters of opinion, belief, or conduct.
2. Philosophy.
a. the doctrine that reason alone is a source of knowledge and is independent of experience.
b. (in the philosophies of Descartes, Spinoza, etc.) the doctrine that all knowledge is expressible in self-evident propositions or their consequences.

ra·tion·al·ize –verb (used with object)
1. to ascribe (one's acts, opinions, etc.) to causes that superficially seem reasonable and valid but that actually are unrelated to the true, possibly unconscious and often less creditable or agreeable causes.

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7. Comment #87812 by Rtambree on November 13, 2007 at 8:05 am

>6. Comment #87501 by sbe

>It was philosophers, not scientists who demonstrated that god does not exist.

Really? What about the hundreds of other philsophers before and afterwards that "demonstrated" that God must exist? Why did it take philosophy over 2,000 years to reach the right conclusion? It wouldn't happen to be anything to do with developments in science throughout the Enlightenment, would it?

>The world would be a very poor place indeed if all the knowledge at our disposal came only from science

It does. What else is there? Intuition? Revelation? Authority? Tradition? What can you work out in your coconut other than "I think therefore I am"? In Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers books there was a computer that deduced the existance of lemon-soaked napkins from first principles, but I don't think humans can deduce anything of significance without observation.

Philosophy and rationalism employ language and human cognition, both of which map imperfectly onto reality. Our brains are largely savannah ape brains after all.

I agree with you about Newton - wasting his time with alchemy and eschatology. In addition to all the philosophers, most scientists have got most things wrong over history. They're just stabbing blindly in the dark as well, but the light of science shines brightest.

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8. Comment #87816 by Bonzai on November 13, 2007 at 8:30 am



Yet another philosopher Karl Popper defined and set the standard for modern scientific method and research.


Not really. He just provided a verbal account of what scientists have been doing long before him Like many philosophers he took an elementary insight and spun it into some rigid, over-arching "-ism". Real science is more nuanced and messy than the impression Popper conveyed. Popper btw didn't think evolution was science because it didn't fit his narrow criteria.

If you think about it the notion that scientific theory has to be falsifiable is not really that remarkable. What do you think scientists have been doing since Galileo? Knowing such a general point doesn't in any way help scientists in actually creating theories and devising tests for them. This is the difficult part.

Francis Bacon, who was often credited by philosophers and the lay people for inventing the scientific method, was actually just a journalist who observed what scientists were doing and wrote big books about it. He managed to convey just a caricature and mangle up some important points. Real scientists don't need to read Bacon or Popper to learn their trade.

Speaking of Newton he was criticized severely by philosophers for notions such as absolute space and action at a distance. Even though all the objections were valid, Newton and fellow scientists were right in ignoring them. In retrospect Newton and his contemporaries wouldn't have been able to answer their philosophical critics because the missing pieces simply weren't there. It took another several centuries for physics to develop far enough that Einstein could finally resolve these problems. If Newton and his colleagues took the philosophers seriously physics would have been paralyzed and Einstein wouldn't have had the information to construct his theories of relativity. Instead of science we would have to suffer several more centuries of philosophical verbal diarrhea and hot air pretending to be knowledge.

On a darker note, Boltzmann was said to have been driven to suicide by the Positivists because these philosophers thought that molecules and atoms were not observable and therefore Boltzmann was not doing science in using these in his theory. He was probably suffering from depression to begin with, but the dogmatic viciousness of the Positivists didn't help. He was vindicated shortly after when Einstein published his paper on Brownian motion.

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9. Comment #87824 by sbe on November 13, 2007 at 9:17 am

Rtambree, your counter argument is quite silly. What about all the scientists who believed that the body was composed of and functioned by a proper balance of "humors"? Just one example. Scientific knowledge isn't the only area of human knowledge that has expanded and updated itself over time. And what other knowledge do we have? Try art, literature, philosophy, politics, etc. I know you're not really as ignorant as you seem.

Sorry, Bonzai, Popper's ideas are the basis for modern scientific research. What scientists had been doing all along? What was it they were doing all along? Certainly not the scientific method which was first formally developed in the late 19th century. Oh, my those dangerous positivist! They'll be the ruination of us all!

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10. Comment #87825 by Bonzai on November 13, 2007 at 9:21 am

If Popper set the standard for science then evolution would not be science. Popper said no.

This claim only demonstrates the arrogance of philosophers. Popper was basically a retrospective prophet. Methodologies in science, as in any field, are developed and fine tuned by practitioners to achieve specific goals. Scientists don't "learn" from armchair generalists about the scientific method. The generalists may be able to articulate and communicate certain ideas that the practicing scientists already knew in a more elegant and concise language,--and they often do,-- but this is just a packaging function and usually they only touch on the more superficial issues which can be easily verbalized.

As Steven Weinberg paraphrasing Wigner about the uncanny effectiveness of mathematics, there is an uncanny ineffectiveness of philosophy in science.

"Those cannot do science, become an expert on the scientific method."--- Me

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11. Comment #87848 by sbe on November 13, 2007 at 11:09 am

"Those cannot do science, become an expert on the scientific method."--- Me

Which shows you're not a scientist, or if you are you're a surprisingly ignorant one. The amazing thing about science is that anyone can do it, it is among the most democratic areas of human knowledge. Such statements just make you sound silly and make science sound like some arcane practice that only anointed elects can grasp.

"generalists may be able to articulate and communicate certain ideas that the practicing scientists already knew in a more elegant and concise language"

I said that Popper defined and set the standard for scientific research. How is what your saying above any different from criticizing scientists for verifying and explaining things that are dumbly obvious, are in fact common sense ("new research shows that an excess of carbohydrates can make you fat")? The difference however is that Popper explained something that was not explained or justified in any coherent or useful way. Popper showed why the scientific method works and as a consequence actually helped improve how scientists do research.

Seriously, you two sound like cult members at worst and hidebound dogmatists at the least.

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12. Comment #87887 by Bonzai on November 13, 2007 at 2:00 pm

So is evolutionary theory science? According to Popper it isn't. So Darwin wasn't a scientist according to Popper.

Richard Feynman was even more dismissive about parasitic philosophies. Maybe he wasn't a real scientist or a "surprisingly ignorant one" according to you. And oh, judging from my quote(paraphrased) from Steven Weinberg he also isn't a scientist either. What a laugh.

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13. Comment #87923 by Rtambree on November 13, 2007 at 4:29 pm

>9. Comment #87824 by sbe

>Rtambree, your counter argument is quite silly. What about all the scientists who believed that the body was composed of and functioned by a proper balance of "humors"?

I already told you - I agree. As I said in my last post (did you read it) - like philosophers, scientists stumble about in the dark too, and most have been wrong about most things. The history of science (and philosophy) is a history of 99.999% false guesses.

Not just humours, but phlogiston, geocentric Earth, plum pudding model of the atom, caloric theory of heat, phrenology of the brain, Lamarckianism, static universe, the list goes on and one - so may incorrect scientific (and philosophical) theories.

We inch slowly forward - 10 steps forward, 9 steps backwards. Our brains simply aren't sophisticated or powerful enough to work things out unaided.

>And what other knowledge do we have? Try art, literature, philosophy, politics, etc. I know you're not really as ignorant as you seem.

They're not knowledge. Politics is just opinions. Art is just a vector for delivering beauty (e.g. stimulating dopamine receptors, etc). There's no Truth in art - any artist who thinks they're discovering great Truths in their painting or poetry is a flakey wanker, and even more useless than philosophers.

P.S. btw, hello again Bonzai - I see we're often on the same side in these discussions.

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