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American and European researchers have made most of the progress so far in biotechnology. Yet they still face one very large obstacle — God, as defined by some Western religions.
In Europe, though, genetically modified crops are taboo. Cloning human embryos for research has been legally supported in England and several other countries, but it is banned in more than a dozen others, including France and Germany.2. Comment #89386 by eric.malitz on November 20, 2007 at 1:45 pm
This is an area of discourse where religion should be exposed for what it is. Someone stepping into this debate and claiming they have some evidence that humans are somehow 'special' in the natural world or that human embryos have souls (while chimp embryos do not) should be laughed right out of the room.3. Comment #89401 by SilentMike on November 20, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Oh how the wheel of history turns.4. Comment #89405 by David618 on November 20, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Although James Watson may have a number of quotes that he probably wouldn't want people knowing about--especially recently--, he has a number of good ones. My favorite by far isIf scientists don't play God, who will?
5. Comment #89425 by kraut on November 20, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Similarly, some leading opponents of embryo research for cloning, like Leon Kass, say they are defending not Judeo-Christian beliefs, but "human dignity."6. Comment #89427 by 82abhilash on November 20, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Genetically modified crops are grown in China, India and elsewhere.
7. Comment #89429 by Arcturus on November 20, 2007 at 5:17 pm
8. Comment #89443 by Bonzai on November 20, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Many people would instinctively feel "yuck" for concepts such as human cloning, designer babies or human animal "hybrids". Religion has nothing to do with it. Perhaps it is an evolutionary mechanism telling us that some boundary is at risk of being crossed. I suggest that this is similar to our visceral disgust towards incest. Religion may help codifying incest as a taboo, but it is not why the taboo exists in the first place.9. Comment #89446 by Russell Blackford on November 20, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Bonzai, the one thing we don't need is even more material from wing-nuts like Leon Kass, trying to rationalise their irrational aversion to cloning. There's already a vast literature of this kind.10. Comment #89450 by Cartomancer on November 20, 2007 at 7:37 pm
11. Comment #89458 by Cartomancer on November 20, 2007 at 8:14 pm
12. Comment #89495 by Philip1978 on November 21, 2007 at 12:39 am
13. Comment #89512 by Quetzalcoatl on November 21, 2007 at 1:33 am
14. Comment #89585 by annabanana on November 21, 2007 at 7:12 am
But some people may desperately want a cloned child — perhaps to replace one who died or to provide lifesaving bone marrow for a sibling
15. Comment #89638 by scottbly on November 21, 2007 at 10:14 am
Philip- Some people would consider human cloning for the same reason that they clone cows: desireable genetic traits.16. Comment #89658 by zbob on November 21, 2007 at 12:00 pm
As someone who has practiced a form of zazen for nearly three years, I agree that the eastern philosophical viewpoint allows for a more monistic view of the material world which provides a more liberal outlook concerning genetic research. While I do not adhere to the speculative theories of reincarnation or karma, I do agree with the philosophy that our sense of "self" is ultimately an illusion. If one looks deeply into their existence, one can determine that humans are not separate entities from the rest of the universe. Our ability to distinguish ourselves from other humans or animals or plants is an evolutionary strategy for self survival. Anyone interested should research the work produced by Dr. Susan Blackmore, the British neuro-psychologist who basically states that the brain creates an illusory self. As a memetic theorist, Dr. Blackmore theorizes that through memetic evolution and biological protection, a selfplex is created which thinks it is conscious and has free will but this is illusory.17. Comment #89834 by Cartomancer on November 21, 2007 at 9:19 pm
18. Comment #90539 by Spinoza on November 25, 2007 at 1:05 pm
"Many Europeans, as well as leftists in America," Dr. Silver says, "have rejected the traditional Christian God and replaced it with a post-Christian goddess of Mother Nature and a modified Christian eschatology. It isn't a coherent belief system. It might or might not incorporate New Age thinking. But deep down, there's a view that humans shouldn't be tampering with the natural world."
19. Comment #90630 by Russell Blackford on November 25, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Philip, it depends on what you consider an advantage. RD said somewhere that it would fascinating to watch someone with your nuclear DNA growing up in a different environment. Then there's the classic case of the lesbian couple who want to have a couple of kids who have had genetic contributions solely from them, and not any outsiders. Also, there will be some cases where a heterosexual couple might decide to use it if the man suffers an extreme kind of infertility that can't be dealt with by existing reproductive technologies.20. Comment #107547 by the_ultimate_samurai on January 4, 2008 at 6:00 pm
well what you are talking about isnt exactly cloning, its more or less invetro fertilization. it involves two genetic doners mixing, while cloning has only one genetic doner and the resulting offspring is exactly the same as him or her. in fact this is seen in nature and known as "asexual reproduction" and is generaly considered inferior to sexual reproduction (mostly in its ability to evolve and adapt to the environment)21. Comment #131300 by aliencliche on February 22, 2008 at 8:02 am
1. Comment #89370 by notsobad on November 20, 2007 at 1:05 pm
This is isn't about "tampering with the natural world" and "a post-Christian goddess of Mother Nature", but about unpredictable consequences of such behaviour. Most people opposed to genetically modified food obviously don't have problems with tampering that has proved to have positive results, such as (certain) medicine and animal breeding, or stem-cell research.
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