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Sunday, October 8, 2006 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document The Need to Believe

by Rod Little - Sunday Times

Reposted from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-2388270.html

In his new book, Richard Dawkins argues that God is a delusion. But, asks Rod Liddle, isn't 'evangelical atheism' an article of faith in itself.

Times

Here's a conundrum, of sorts, for evangelical atheists. Richard Dawkins has just written a book — an entertaining, wildly informative, splendidly written polemic against the existence of a divine being — called The God Delusion. As a scientist, perhaps these days our most lauded scientist, Dawkins is canny enough to know that, by the lights of his own methodology, it is impossible to state with certainty that there is no God. So he quietly concedes, early on, that God is "improbable". Yet the rest of the book burns with a fervent faith that God is a childish construct of our imaginations; that He never existed and was a delusion.
Rhetoric and dark humour are brought to bear to swing the vacillating reader; we are elegantly cajoled, cleverly harangued into shedding ourselves of this superstitious nonsense that has bedevilled us since our first visit to Sunday school.

It is a passionate book; it is a book based on faith. It uses a wonderful array of literary and philosophical devices to convince that Dawkins's belief is correct. It uses every manipulative trick there is to convince us of the author's rectitude. It attempts to use science to destroy God, but cannot stick with science because science, sadly — by the author's own admission — cannot do the job. "Well, there's lots of science in it," Dawkins replied, after a while, when I put this point to him during an interview for a Channel 4 documentary — and so there is. He had earlier concurred that The God Delusion was in the main a rhetorical work, and that he was in danger of becoming better known as a serial God-basher than as a serious scientist. "That would be sad," he agreed.

There is no reason, of course, why a brilliant scientific mind like Dawkins's should be debarred from rhetoric, satire and humour. But the problem is, when you advance a case rooted in the supposedly disinterested scientific discourse that insists God probably does not exist, then flam it up so that God becomes a ludicrous and contemptible conceit, you undermine the basis of your argument. That's the conundrum for atheists: the belief that God exists is scarcely less worthy than the belief that He does not exist. Or, at least, neither proposition obliges belief per se. It is this notion of belief, rather than God, that causes the problems. And The God Delusion throbs with belief, the belief of the disbeliever; its broad sweep of science is in most cases subordinate to the author's standpoint.

Science does not exist in a vacuum, its practitioners inured to such human frailties as hubris. If this were the case, we would have paradigm shifts less frequently; science would progress in a more orderly manner, each practitioner disinterestedly testing the hypotheses of their predecessors, unblemished by an unscientific attachment to this or that standpoint.

That's not how science works. Scientists tend to attach themselves to their disparate theories with a very human, unscientific fervour. Later, their theories are almost always amended or discarded; that's the way with science. And refusing to let go of those theories is the way with human beings. You might argue further that if you are a scientist, you should be disinclined to talk in terms of certainties, knowing that human knowledge is finite and will change. Particularly when dealing with God, and even more so, when your viewpoint is drawn from a theory that is beginning to look a little careworn: Darwinism.

Of all the scientific ideas that have sent God scurrying into a hole in the skirting board, Darwinism had the most shattering effect. The previously unanswerable question — how could an organ as complex as, say, an eye, evolve by chance? It couldn't! There must be a creator! — was suddenly rendered irrelevant.

For 147 years, Darwinism has been the best way we have of explaining evolution. And when Dawkins and the like eviscerate bone-headed creationists and advocates of intelligent design, one is unreservedly with him. Theirs is an obnoxious and dangerous stupidity, a wilful promulgation of ignorance. But increasingly one feels that their numbing certainties are matched by those of the atheists; that there is an intellectual blindness on the other side, too.

Take Dawkins's riposte to those who suggest that there may have been a God of some kind responsible for the inception of life, who then conveniently absented himself. This is silly, he suggests, because it would contradict the principle that the complex evolves from the simple; if God were there before the amoeba, He must surely have been a complex being, and therefore something must have created Him. QED, reverend.

Well, that's true if Darwinian evolution is a sort of sacred text that must never be gainsaid. Yet increasingly, scientists are picking holes in this notion of gradual change. The "evo-devo" school of thought holds that sudden change can occur within a species effectively in the space of one generation. It does not imply that there is a creator; it is, if you like, God- neutral. But it challenges a central tenet of something that has become less a theory than a faith.

Nowhere, though, do the atheists flail more ineffectually than in attempting to fill what Sartre called the "God-shaped hole" inside all of us: our need to believe in something from which we derive our notion of morality.

Atheists squirm when presented with the fact that political regimes that did away with religion and replaced it with a supposedly rational creed (to which the description "scientific" was frequently appended) ended up murdering more people than Torquemada could have ever envisaged.

Clearly, something always moves in to fill that gap — and you might argue that the more avowedly "scientific" it is, the more it will be disposed towards viciousness. Dawkins acknowledges this need for something and concocts 10 commandments. For which thanks, Richard, mate. In place of don't kill, steal or covet your neighbour's wife, we have stuff like "Value the future on a timescale longer than your own", or "Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else)". It is the 10 commandments handed down not by Moses, but by a wet Guardian leader-writer, etched not in stone but perhaps on organic tofu. It is beyond parody, and its potential longevity as a useful moral code can be counted in years rather than millenniums.

The truth, though, for the atheists — Dawkins included — is that science itself fills their "God-shaped holes" in a way that, by its own lights, it should not. Dawkins marshals figures that suggest belief in God is low among scientists, implying this is because they know better. More likely is that, being human, they have swapped one belief system for another and his statistics are simply a tautology: the scientists believe in a different God.

It is evident in the fury and passion with which Dawkins et al advance their cause: they proselytise, they evangelise, they demand our repentance and our acceptance of their own creed. I'd rather treat science as a wonderful human creation for describing the world around us — often in metaphors that have an agreeably biblical ring to them. And, at the same time, I suspect — Betjeman called it, in a lovely oxymoron, a "faint conviction" — that we do not know everything, nor ever shall, and that there is a ghost somewhere in the machine.


Rod Liddle's programme on atheism will be shown on Channel 4 later this year

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1. Comment #1008 by vega on October 8, 2006 at 6:36 pm

Nice photograph. All that's missing are horns and a pitchfork!

2. Comment #1010 by Anonymous on October 8, 2006 at 7:12 pm

Quote: "Children are innately irrational."

Perhaps - unlike some adults whose unquestioning believe in the supernatural is totally rational...


Quote: "To insist on the discovery and production of evidence by a child is asking them to think and act like an educated adult."

Yes - this is how children become educated adults - it's called 'learning'.

3. Comment #1021 by Widgetmaker on October 8, 2006 at 10:52 pm

Mr. Cosentino,

We are regularly threatened by a variety of things: disease, drunk drivers, higher taxes. The fact that some of these things have not yet had an effect does not imply that we are not threatened. At the moment, there are a number of abortion doctors who would probably say that they are unable to enjoy many of the freedoms you insist we all have. They are not threatened merely by chance collision with an asteroid, they are threatened by an ideology which is insusceptible to Reason. I think this is the threat that 'Eric' was referring to.

4. Comment #1023 by Randy Ping on October 8, 2006 at 11:10 pm

Wow, The book really rattled their cage. Look at how defensive the article is. This reviewer is clearly feeling personaly threatened by the books message.

5. Comment #1058 by Chris on October 9, 2006 at 6:58 am

When the review page shows Dawkins already burning in hell, I don't think you should expect a reasonable or fair review. There's hardly any need to read the article to know what it's going to say.


Liddle misses a very important point though: he mentions "our need to believe in something from which we derive our notion of morality" without thinking about what it means. Having a need to believe that X is true does not make X actually true! The beliefs we *want* to be true are exactly the ones we must examine twice as cautiously, to guard against the possibility that we might be fooling ourselves.

Belief is not something that exists in a vacuum with no consequences. Believing in lies or delusions can be very dangerous, to the believer or to others around him. That's why we all have a responsibility to take steps to avoid believing falsehoods, no matter how much we may want to.

Refraining from self-deception, and avoiding the deceptions of others, are part of the responsibilities of being an adult human. Shielding your children from deception is part of the responsibility of being a parent. Ducking these responsibilities to just believe what you want is, well, irresponsible.


To reduce Liddle's argument to absurdity: There are certain people, fortunately not very many, who have a need to steal. They have a theft-shaped hole in their lives. If they indulge that need and fill that hole, we imprison them, because those actions are harmful to society.

Now I'm not saying that all religion is as bad as theft, but merely that one's own psychological needs, without examining their consequences, are a poor guide to action.

6. Comment #1091 by Simmons on October 9, 2006 at 1:29 pm

I wasn't very happy with this review :(, especially considering how much I enjoy Rod Liddle's writings in The Spectator. This article is just a rehashing of the old "Atheism requires faith" argument, which is tired and misleading.

I do think that Richard often oversteps the mark a bit, and he would probably appear much like a raving lunatic to many people. I can sympathize though, and I find it very irritating when people snub their noses at "evangelical" atheists, rather than trying to understand why they are that way.

Imagine a world in which a huge majority believe in Santa Claus. Imagine, further, that the believers in Santa Claus try to brush off the non-believers with arguments consisting of shoddy logic, personal attacks and absurd concepts (such as faith). Also keep in mind that these people are abusing children and each other because of disagreements over the matter of Santa Claus's skin colour. Now, suppose you were one of the only people who didn’t believe in Santa Claus, wouldn't you be frustrated?

I think that a lot of atheists feel a bit like they are in my hypothetical Santa Claus world. I know I certainly feel that way, and it is why I could also be described as an "evangelical" atheist.

7. Comment #1162 by Ophelia Benson on October 10, 2006 at 8:47 am

"But the problem is, when you advance a case rooted in the supposedly disinterested scientific discourse that insists God probably does not exist, then flam it up so that God becomes a ludicrous and contemptible conceit, you undermine the basis of your argument."

Nonsense. Both can (quite easily) be true - it is not possible to prove that God does not exist, and God is a ludicrous and contemptible conceit. It is not necessary to prove that X does not exist in order to argue that [the existence of] X is a silly idea. It is also not possible to prove that Odin does not exist, or that Diana of the Ephesians does not exist, or that Bugs Bunny does not exist; it is nevertheless quite possible to argue that it's silly to think they do. Funny how it's always this 'God' fella who gets the benefit of the doubt while all the other imaginary playmates who might exist, don't get that benefit.

8. Comment #1173 by Andrew on October 10, 2006 at 9:49 am

I would challenge the notion that Children are irrational. I remember being a child, I recall being quite rational.

Telling a child to evaluate for evidence is not asking to much. I did so every day.

I think that to some degree children are genetically inclined to accept information from some people (parents) without first testing it. But if encouraged to think about it they will, and will evaluate it for truth.

9. Comment #1174 by Kimpatsu on October 10, 2006 at 9:57 am

IOW, RL read the entire book, and spectacularly failed to understand the core point that one can dismiss the likelihood of gods by assigning probability values. What a jerk!

10. Comment #1181 by G. Tingey on October 10, 2006 at 10:26 am

"it is a book based on faith." says Rod Liddle.

Well, either R. Liddle is a fool, or he is a liar.

It is a book based on evidence, and also the complete lack of eveidence for any "god" whatsoever.

Ok Mr. Liddle, and anyone else who cannot face the final step:
Here is a testable, and therefore falsifyable proposition:
Using the normal scientific rules...
No "god" is detectable. (even if that god exists)

Unless and until disproven, this should be taken as the default postion.
And since god is not detectable, why bother about him/her/it/them at all?

11. Comment #1192 by Chris Davis on October 10, 2006 at 11:59 am

Rudolf Svidran's entire thesis fails as a result of his initial critical error: 'Where there is creation there is a creator'. He states this premise as if it were fact, but it's really just a belief - a piece of 'common sense' that seems elegant and logical, but is unfortunately wrong.

The 'creation/creator' issue is really a restatement of William Paley's famous watchmaker analogy, and has the same problem. Rudolf should perhaps not attempt 'The God Delusion' without some preliminary study: Professor Dawkins's 'Blind Watchmaker' specifically addresses the issue of the spontaneous rise of complex order from simple disorder, and shows that, no matter how counterintuitive it may seem, 'creation' - in the sense of manifestation of complexity without external mediation - is quite commonplace in the universe. It just takes a long, long time to occur, so that our fallible human senses are no more able to grasp it intuitively than were are able to conceive of continents drifting apart.

CD

12. Comment #1193 by Chris Davis on October 10, 2006 at 11:59 am

Rudolf Svidran's entire thesis fails as a result of his initial critical error: 'Where there is creation there is a creator'. He states this premise as if it were fact, but it's really just a belief - a piece of 'common sense' that seems elegant and logical, but is unfortunately wrong.

The 'creation/creator' issue is really a restatement of William Paley's famous watchmaker analogy, and has the same problem. Rudolf should perhaps not attempt 'The God Delusion' without some preliminary study: Professor Dawkins's 'Blind Watchmaker' specifically addresses the issue of the spontaneous rise of complex order from simple disorder, and shows that, no matter how counterintuitive it may seem, 'creation' - in the sense of manifestation of complexity without external mediation - is quite commonplace in the universe. It just takes a long, long time to occur, so that our fallible human senses are no more able to grasp it intuitively than were are able to conceive of continents drifting apart.

CD

13. Comment #1265 by S on October 11, 2006 at 4:24 am

I can't believe this guy used to be the editor of Newsnight. His criticisms are utterly ridiculous. Becuase we refuse to believe in entities without evidence we are dogmatists. Pull the other one.


"entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"

14. Comment #1273 by Andrew on October 11, 2006 at 5:25 am

I think that those comment numbers are for something else. Since it starts at 1002 I'm pretty sure it isn't just for this.

15. Comment #1715 by troy on October 15, 2006 at 11:09 pm

The answer to Rod Liddle's question; "isn't evangelical atheism an article of faith in itself?" is YES. Yes, it most definitely is. But, I think Mr. Liddle's definiton of faith is misunderstood and inaccurate. The dictionary's definition of faith refers to belief in truth. I looked it up in the dictionary.. yes, it is true. Atheists live in the real world of truth, facts and knowledge governed by intellectual understanding while the faith of religious people live in a world governed by their emotional brains, where invented religions and mythological gods become their reality of delusion... sooooo.... if faith is truth, why do then the majority of the world's population believe in the mass delusion/hysteria of religions and god's while such a tiny percentage of us Atheists do not?? It's just a hypothesis, but, it is probable that because our species is still in the early stages of the evolvonary scale, that human beings are slowly but surely evolving into a higher, wiser level of conciousness within the emotional/IQ brain. This is perhaps why Atheists "get it" and religious people do not. Perhaps atheists' emotional brains are not controlled or clouded as greatly, allowing the IQ brain to comprehend and process information more accurately than that of a emotional brain that struggles with the truths and fears of life in the real world.

If we do not question who we are and where we come from with great pride as a species, how can we truthfully grow?

16. Comment #6060 by Paul Knowles on November 12, 2006 at 11:18 am

In the end it boils down to this (and I'm going to use a quote from "The root of all evil"). We are going to die, that makes us the lucky ones. How true! All I think Dawkins is trying to do is make our time on Earth a more pleasant one. Simple really. Evangelical Atheism? Don't think so.

17. Comment #6232 by Jen on November 13, 2006 at 10:28 am

To those who believe in, and love God no explanation, or defense of Him, is needed.
To those who insist their isn't a God, no explanation, or defense thereof, will suffice!

"Know this, that every soul is free to choose his life and what he'll be,
For this eternal truth is given, That God will force no man to heaven.
He'll call, persuade, direct aright and bless with wisdom, love, and light,
In nameless ways be good and kind but never force the human mind." Anon.

18. Comment #6565 by goddogit on November 14, 2006 at 11:36 pm

Ooooh! Get it! It'S DAWKINS who is the evangelizer! He'S the one who espouses faith in an unproveable proposition!

Whoa! I get it now! (Hey! Someone get that elephant out of this room! The man was trying to make a point!)

19. Comment #6575 by goddogit on November 15, 2006 at 1:22 am

Sorry to post again so soon, but I hadn't read this Martin C.'s comments, and wish to notify all that I have yet to see a more absurd set of tangled blathering less likely to make me revise my opinion that all but the smallest slice of theists, especially monotheists, believe in some sort of god that is but some vast, fun-house mirror of their own false pride, vanity, and fear (and fear especially of their certainty that anyone who bothers to glance at their beliefs sees right through the glass; not darkly either). Martin's god is a sillier, less probably, less worthy creature than the FSM, and his arguments are as coherent as pieces of a shredded encyclopedia are when found in the gutter by a hungover drunk on a cold New Year's Day morning.
This man needs, at least, a beginning creative writing class, and perhaps should seek some psychological counselling as well. I suggest he look into such.

Martin, you are ill at heart, and NOT just in mind! What you intend to be stout defenses and withering attacks are transparently trifling nonsense you type out to fool that gullible, childish part of yourself, not to convince others.
Do you have recurring dreams about your being in some crowded public place and finding yourself in the buff - birthday-suited - w/o clothes? I would assume so, given the excruciatingly naked awfulness of your fervent attempts at rhetoric here.
Indeed, this sort of horseshit could only be offered up on the Internet, since in person you'd be laughed out of a room. Tears start coming to my eyes at some of your thrusting and riposting silliness!
Pardon me for stating the impolitic obvious: you do not believe in one word of your ranting. Get yourself a less dangerous hobby than this sort of "religion", at the least, because this one will be the death of you.
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