Banishing the Green-Eyed Monster2. Comment #91842 by LDmiller on November 29, 2007 at 12:49 pm
3. Comment #91845 by Thor on November 29, 2007 at 12:55 pm
4. Comment #91849 by Arcturus on November 29, 2007 at 12:58 pm
5. Comment #91853 by padster1976 on November 29, 2007 at 1:00 pm
6. Comment #91854 by Mr DArcy on November 29, 2007 at 1:03 pm
7. Comment #91855 by Shrunk on November 29, 2007 at 1:04 pm
8. Comment #91858 by treeman17 on November 29, 2007 at 1:09 pm
9. Comment #91859 by kade on November 29, 2007 at 1:11 pm
i agree with beth that sexual jealously, especially male sexual jealousy, is the cause of a good deal of violence.10. Comment #91860 by Jab on November 29, 2007 at 1:14 pm
11. Comment #91862 by Matt H. on November 29, 2007 at 1:16 pm
12. Comment #91863 by dgr8test97 on November 29, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Dawkins is wrong here. He is correct in that sexual jealousy is stupid, but he is missing the point. When someone gives his or her word to another person, he or she must keep that word. This is what cheating is about. If one is in a "open marriage" then one can have sex with any one wants without lying then it is not cheating. When a man marries a women (any relationship for that matter)and swears to the women that he would not have sex with someone else than he needs to follow up on it. Its that simple. I am anti-marriage and anti-monogamy because most people can't keep their vows. But if two people feel that the best way to express their love is through monogamy than more power to them. Cheating is about lying. Love is about sacrifice. If the sacrifice is no sex with third parties than so be it. Dawkins needs to think more poetically and less scientifically when it comes to love.13. Comment #91865 by Rationalist1 on November 29, 2007 at 1:25 pm
A quote, perhaps apocryphal, is attributed to the late Canadian Prime Minister, who in 1976 was asked by a male reporter what he thought of his then wife Margaret cavorting with the Rolling Stones. He is supposed to have replied to the reporter that "A gentleman does not reply to such questions" and then after an appropriate pause, "and furthermore a gentleman does not ask such questions"14. Comment #91866 by USA_Limey on November 29, 2007 at 1:26 pm
15. Comment #91867 by BaronOchs on November 29, 2007 at 1:27 pm
When a man marries a women (any relationship for that matter)and swears to the women that he would not have sex with someone else than he needs to follow up on it.
16. Comment #91868 by black wolf on November 29, 2007 at 1:27 pm
17. Comment #91870 by Lana on November 29, 2007 at 1:31 pm
That's exactly right, dgr8test97. (May I call you digger?) It's a trust issue. Certainly, people may be attracted to others, but if they've given their word, they should abstain from acting on the attraction until they've extracted themselves from the relationship. I must admit I haven't always lived up to that ideal, but I've never tried to rationalize it away either.18. Comment #91871 by BaronOchs on November 29, 2007 at 1:32 pm
19. Comment #91873 by Titus on November 29, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Like Arcturus I immediately thought of Heinlein when I read this piece. I'm sure that Heinlein's works had quite an influence on me as a teenager; for as an adult I find myself mystified by others' rapid and unreasonable desire to leap into the quagmire of jealousy.20. Comment #91874 by USA_Limey on November 29, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Are others also unsettled by this article?
21. Comment #91876 by Fedler on November 29, 2007 at 1:43 pm
22. Comment #91878 by ubermensch on November 29, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Dawkins is confusing 2 arguments here. One is the question of sexual mores, and the other is of trust. If the 2 parties in a relationship have each agreed that their relationship is 'open', then I don't see a problem if one or both have multiple partners. However, if one partner has a 'extra-marital' relationship without disclosing this to the other partner, and whilst pretending that all is well with their relationship, then trust is broken, just as it would be if one party gambled away the family silver. I agree that Clinton's sexual escapades were no business of the press or the public - but they were the business of his wife. Assuming that she was unaware of his relationship(s), she had every right to feel betrayed, and cheated against.23. Comment #91879 by manitoumackinac on November 29, 2007 at 1:49 pm
24. Comment #91881 by upsidedawn on November 29, 2007 at 1:52 pm
25. Comment #91882 by Titus on November 29, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Lana, I'm inclined to think you're disappointment is the result of your upbringing which is, inevitably, steeped in theocratic morality. Rationally, monogamous relationships can hardly be a natural state for the human species; for if they were Richard would not have needed to write the article. The need for both sexes to seek multiple partners is evidenced by the behaviour itself.26. Comment #91884 by USA_Limey on November 29, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I agree that Clinton's sexual escapades were no business of the press or the public
27. Comment #91885 by Corylus on November 29, 2007 at 1:58 pm
...love of Chateau Margaux does not preclude love of a fine Hock, and we don't feel unfaithful to the red when we dally with the white...Glad to hear it's a fine Hock and not a Blue Nun.
28. Comment #91890 by upsidedawn on November 29, 2007 at 2:08 pm
He screwed around ON THE JOB and IN THE OFFICE.
He should have been fired no question.
29. Comment #91893 by Matt H. on November 29, 2007 at 2:14 pm
30. Comment #91897 by Jiten on November 29, 2007 at 2:16 pm
31. Comment #91898 by Anubis on November 29, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Lana, I'm inclined to think you're disappointment is the result of your upbringing which is, inevitably, steeped in theocratic morality.
32. Comment #91901 by USA_Limey on November 29, 2007 at 2:20 pm
But isn't the White House the President's house? Why exactly couldn't he have sex in his own house?Are you in favour of banning people having sex in their homes?
33. Comment #91902 by Diacanu on November 29, 2007 at 2:23 pm
34. Comment #91904 by tacitus on November 29, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Some of the other posters here have said it's about trust.But it's only about trust if it's done behind your back and lying is involved,not when it's all out in the open.
35. Comment #91905 by Eventhorizon on November 29, 2007 at 2:30 pm
36. Comment #91907 by BigChiefRainInFace on November 29, 2007 at 2:32 pm
37. Comment #91908 by Janus on November 29, 2007 at 2:34 pm
38. Comment #91911 by Goldy on November 29, 2007 at 2:36 pm
39. Comment #91912 by gyokusai on November 29, 2007 at 2:38 pm
40. Comment #91913 by briancoughlanworldcitizen on November 29, 2007 at 2:40 pm
41. Comment #91914 by tacitus on November 29, 2007 at 2:46 pm
(Yuck -- I didn't see the warning about lost messages, and just lost a long one).42. Comment #91916 by upsidedawn on November 29, 2007 at 2:49 pm
I'd be lucky to get the first chick, as if I'm gonna be on the hunt for more.
43. Comment #91918 by Diacanu on November 29, 2007 at 2:50 pm
44. Comment #91919 by Fedler on November 29, 2007 at 2:51 pm
This american obsession with prudery and Clintons penis!! Let it go.Thought-provoking as always, Brian :-). But I think that's an important factor. The societal differences between Europe and North America have a great deal to do with the 'comfort level' of some posters on this, including myself.
45. Comment #91920 by chuckgoecke on November 29, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Defending Clintons lying about his philandering on the American tax payers dime in the whitehouse
46. Comment #91921 by tacitus on November 29, 2007 at 2:51 pm
why would someone suggest that people in the porn industry are the only people to have sex and love outside their marriage??? What???).
47. Comment #91922 by Diacanu on November 29, 2007 at 2:52 pm
But I'm absolutely certain that the professor would not have a problem in the world finding other opportunities, without even trying.
48. Comment #91923 by etny on November 29, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Well here we have it: RD has just given ammunition to those who believe that there can be no morality without a God. And that science cannot tell us how we should live our lives. That secularism leads to decadence. Believe me, we are going to get an earful following this little article. This article opens a great big can of worms. Actually, the biggest of all.49. Comment #91925 by Goldy on November 29, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Well here we have it: RD has just given ammunition to those who believe that there can be no morality without a God
50. Comment #91927 by upsidedawn on November 29, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Ah, so this article is him bragging then.
;)
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1. Comment #91839 by Fanusi Khiyal on November 29, 2007 at 12:46 pm
On the subject of sexual jealously, has anyone else followed this ridiculous businesss of Hillary Clinton habving a lesbian affair with that aide orwhatever she is?Of course, noone bothers to ask the real question, of what the hell Clinton is doing associating with someone who is probably a Wahabi Muslim.
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