










Holy Nonsense
Almost the only clever thing about Gov. Mitt Romney's long-denied and long-delayed but obviously long-prepared "response" was its location at the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library, which allowed him to pose (prematurely, I'd say) in front of a presidential seal as well as a thicket of American flags. Composed chiefly of boilerplate, the windy speech raised the vexed question of the candidate's religious affiliation—and thus broke the taboo on mentioning it—without setting to rest any of the difficulties that make it legitimate to raise the issue in the first place.2. Comment #95221 by NormanDoering on December 7, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Cenk Uygur, in his Huffpost blog, "Mitt Romney's Ironic Speech on Religious Tolerance," summed up the speech perfectly in one sentence: "Don't hate me for my religion, hate atheists and agnostics for theirs!"3. Comment #95223 by Hypoluxa on December 7, 2007 at 3:52 pm
4. Comment #95224 by Elcristoph on December 7, 2007 at 3:52 pm
well said Christopher5. Comment #95228 by Nails on December 7, 2007 at 4:03 pm
His stupid unease on this point is shown by his demagogic attack on the straw man "religion of secularism," when, actually, his main and most cynical critic is a moon-faced true believer and anti-Darwin pulpit-puncher from Arkansas who doesn't seem to know the difference between being born again and born yesterday.
6. Comment #95229 by Matt7895 on December 7, 2007 at 4:14 pm
"I am looking forward to Portable Atheist in my stocking this year..."7. Comment #95232 by brayton.l on December 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm
8. Comment #95234 by CJ22 on December 7, 2007 at 4:33 pm
9. Comment #95252 by wlrogers on December 7, 2007 at 6:11 pm
The Hitch is right, of course. And yet this article throws even further into sharp relief his blind spot about his beloved W. This simple truth is this: If W were pressed about his religious beliefs – the same way Hitchens presses Romney – he would admit some pretty remarkable things. He would admit that he believes the world is going to end soon and that Jesus will reign over the event. He would admit that this event will be preceded by a war in the Holy Land. He would admit that he has a personal savoir in the Lord Christ. He would say that environmental concerns are irrelevant because their isn't going to be an environment for very much longer.10. Comment #95259 by TheUniversalAcid on December 7, 2007 at 6:30 pm
We know Mormonism is stupid because it's Christianity... and then has even more absurd additions to it. Romney is doing whatever it takes to get elected. And where better to invest in your election than born again Christians. I highly doubt that he believes in the Bible being "the word of dog" or the Mormon book for that matter. How do I know this? If you pay attention to Romney's record he'll seek to make the opporotunity out of anything (as most politicians do). He's pro-choice when he's running for governor of the liberal state Massachusetts, and when running for president he'll be pro-life etc. I'm not sure what scares me more. A man that actually believes in Christianity and the other doomsday cults it has spawned? or a man that is willing to take orders from lunatic born agains with sincere beliefs? I sure hope he isn't elected. Such a liability to the human species , and the civilization that the evil "secular religion" established.11. Comment #95262 by Bueller_007 on December 7, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Olbermann's take on it here:12. Comment #95263 by Diacanu on December 7, 2007 at 6:53 pm
13. Comment #95264 by Bonzai on December 7, 2007 at 6:56 pm
It's just the stupids breed more copiously, because smart people consider consequences, and stupids blindly plow right ahead on welfare and macaroni.
14. Comment #95266 by Diacanu on December 7, 2007 at 7:10 pm
15. Comment #95271 by eXcommunicate on December 7, 2007 at 8:20 pm
16. Comment #95274 by TIKI AL on December 7, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Willard "the Rat" Romney burrowed out a deeper hole on CNN:17. Comment #95282 by k1mgy on December 7, 2007 at 9:04 pm
18. Comment #95290 by TheUniversalAcid on December 7, 2007 at 10:06 pm
He may or he may not either way he's a demagog that should be fervently opposed.19. Comment #95305 by IanG on December 8, 2007 at 12:33 am
This is Hitch doing what he does well: Deadly accurate on the issues of substance, witty and sharp.20. Comment #95306 by brucefye on December 8, 2007 at 12:36 am
I wish we taught history better here so we could call him out.21. Comment #95310 by sent2null on December 8, 2007 at 1:19 am
22. Comment #95330 by JesusH on December 8, 2007 at 2:40 am
Would be nice if people stuck to the issues of atheism versus religion instead of trying to turn this site into a left wing political site.23. Comment #95355 by TIKI AL on December 8, 2007 at 5:57 am
Neither party is God free, but the republicans have embraced and pursued the evangelicals for votes, pushed for faith-based programs, prayer in schools, and toe stubbing 5 ton, 10 commandment monuments on the court house steps. A republican administration put god on our money and the pledge.24. Comment #95366 by whig on December 8, 2007 at 6:59 am
Would be nice if people stuck to the issues of atheism versus religion instead of trying to turn this site into a left wing political site.
All the democratic contenders are on record as being believing christians and claiming that faith is important.
So, lets not try to make it out like the democrats are a bunch of atheists, because they are not.
I am sure that there are other here to who would prefer some of the Republican candidates, like mcCain, Thompson, Giuliani to Hillary or Edwards.
25. Comment #95372 by Diacanu on December 8, 2007 at 7:28 am
26. Comment #95376 by jshuey on December 8, 2007 at 7:39 am
27. Comment #95392 by happyatheist on December 8, 2007 at 9:03 am
"eXcommunicate :I'd laugh at Romney's speech if he wasn't running for president."28. Comment #95430 by hilage on December 8, 2007 at 10:18 am
My concern is not so much with Romney, what after all is an Imperial Wizard of the Mormon Church supposed to say, but with the news coverage. How can he claim that you can't have "Religion without freeedom and freedom without religion," and news orginizations not notice the roughly 6,000 years of recorded human history makes precisely the opposite point? To me, this is the scary thing. In the name of religion, you can get away with saying anything and the broader media will not uttter a peep. Oh, unless your Muslim and then you are subject to blatant abuse.29. Comment #95436 by USA_Limey on December 8, 2007 at 10:42 am
*Sigh* I knew it, we are mutants.
:(
30. Comment #95519 by nrvous on December 8, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Who is this Christohper Hitchens? Any relation to Christopher?31. Comment #95520 by STLstrike3 on December 8, 2007 at 1:58 pm
32. Comment #95524 by liberalartist on December 8, 2007 at 2:08 pm
33. Comment #95604 by CatrelStevens on December 8, 2007 at 5:55 pm
How in the hell do you write like that? Simply perfect.34. Comment #95617 by wlrogers on December 8, 2007 at 7:25 pm
jshuey35. Comment #95620 by Farooq on December 8, 2007 at 7:53 pm
"Religion of secularism"36. Comment #95632 by dragonfirematrix on December 8, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Okay folks, I guess I will stick my neck out...37. Comment #95652 by Roy_H on December 8, 2007 at 11:08 pm
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071207/tod-india-religion-courts-offbeat-451ab4f_1.html38. Comment #95784 by robotaholic on December 9, 2007 at 7:41 am
HONESTY is not what I get out of his speach.. Pandering, brainwashing, and inaccuracy-39. Comment #95881 by ksskidude on December 9, 2007 at 11:59 am
40. Comment #95935 by walk on December 9, 2007 at 1:51 pm
41. Comment #96054 by Lord of the Morning on December 9, 2007 at 10:08 pm
42. Comment #96203 by jeroen on December 10, 2007 at 6:50 am
Every time I see him on TV, I just envision the Mormon underwear he has on, and end up giggling.43. Comment #96222 by walk on December 10, 2007 at 7:29 am
44. Comment #96226 by steveroot on December 10, 2007 at 7:40 am
44. Comment #96222 by walk on December 10, 2007 at 7:29 am
jeroen, Hah! Let the photoshopping begin!
45. Comment #96278 by walk on December 10, 2007 at 9:25 am
46. Comment #96365 by paulwwww on December 10, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Love that Hitchens...47. Comment #96466 by squinky on December 10, 2007 at 3:10 pm
48. Comment #97404 by Paul42 on December 12, 2007 at 3:08 am
49. Comment #97418 by Jehovah's Waitress on December 12, 2007 at 3:55 am
I despair over the possible presidential candidates when all the shouting is done and it's down to the wire. Once again the choice will be "leeser" of stupidity.50. Comment #97445 by scott715 on December 12, 2007 at 5:10 am
As an ex-Mormon there is a famous quote that appeared in a church publication in the 60's "When the Prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done". Since that time the church has tried to back-pedal on this statement saying it was published in error, but from my own experience this is the case. Mormons believe that their leader is a literal prophet of God in the style of the Old Testament and receives revelation directly from God. This is also true of any male priesthood holder over the age of 12. Of course, in true Old Testament tradition, women are completely excluded.
1. Comment #95218 by kaiserkriss on December 7, 2007 at 3:39 pm
He does not want to offend his own cult, nor does he want to offend the Christian-right-wing-wing-nuts. So how does one get around that, you invoke the one irrational outdated concept most Americans can agree upon, NATIONALISM, PATRIOTISM and THE FLAG.
Get people to agree that something is UNAMERICAN, and you suddenly have a united mob mentality take over, regardless of more pressing issues. It is a well establish "fact" that not believing in god is unamerican. (George Bush Sen.)
That this charlatan can get away with such a cheap trick speaks volumes to the level of rational though currently prevelant in the USA. jcw
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