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Oh, those wacky creationists!
When they talk astronomy, you can almost be sure they will trot out long-outdated ideas, ridiculous twists of logic, and outright lies. And now you can find all these and more in a series of videos pointed out by Sadly, No!
I lost track at seven dumbnesses. I love how they say that if science is right, the planets should all be made of the same materials (um, no, things have changed in the 4.55 billion years since the planets formed, and smaller ones have lost their lighter atmospheric elements like hydrogen and helium), planets should all spin the same way (um, no, collisions with large bodies can flip over a planet), there are no explanations for the Moon's origin (um, no, actually we have a good one — a massive collision — that explains most of the bigger mysteries of the Moon), all the planets' moons should orbit the same way (um, no, some planets have captured asteroids, and those can orbit retrograde), and that if the Universe were not formed in an explosion, it must have been created (um, no, there are at least two other alternate explanations that dovetail with the Big Bang).
I think my fave is when they say that young stars don't have enough material orbiting them to make planets. Yeah, that's because the material has already been used to make planets (or it's been blown away by the young star's solar wind)! It's like eating a meal, looking at your empty plate, and saying "I can't possibly have eaten anything, since there is nothing on my plate." You have to look at really young stars, and when you do, you see them enshrouded in material, and many of them have a disk of matter that is clearly forming planets.
How many dumbosities can you find? I may have to dig up the complete video. I'm sure it's good from some schadenfreude.
Watch the video on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pkz_x4YNr8
Oh, those wacky creationists!
When they talk astronomy, you can almost be sure they will trot out long-outdated ideas, ridiculous twists of logic, and outright lies. And now you can find all these and more in a series of videos pointed out by Sadly, No!
I lost track at seven dumbnesses. I love how they say that if science is right, the planets should all be made of the same materials (um, no, things have changed in the 4.55 billion years since the planets formed, and smaller ones have lost their lighter atmospheric elements like hydrogen and helium), planets should all spin the same way (um, no, collisions with large bodies can flip over a planet), there are no explanations for the Moon's origin (um, no, actually we have a good one — a massive collision — that explains most of the bigger mysteries of the Moon), all the planets' moons should orbit the same way (um, no, some planets have captured asteroids, and those can orbit retrograde), and that if the Universe were not formed in an explosion, it must have been created (um, no, there are at least two other alternate explanations that dovetail with the Big Bang).
I think my fave is when they say that young stars don't have enough material orbiting them to make planets. Yeah, that's because the material has already been used to make planets (or it's been blown away by the young star's solar wind)! It's like eating a meal, looking at your empty plate, and saying "I can't possibly have eaten anything, since there is nothing on my plate." You have to look at really young stars, and when you do, you see them enshrouded in material, and many of them have a disk of matter that is clearly forming planets.
How many dumbosities can you find? I may have to dig up the complete video. I'm sure it's good from some schadenfreude.
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Reload Comments | Back to Top | Page Numbers2. Comment #98506 by obscured by clouds on December 13, 2007 at 8:07 pm
We download the videos on our media server, youtube vids can get taken down, now we have a copy. Other Comments by obscured by clouds
3. Comment #98509 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 8:10 pm
*Mumble grumble* Other Comments by Diacanu
4. Comment #98510 by GodlessHeathen on December 13, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Instead of Quicktime or other closed standard, could they please be stored in an open format? Other Comments by GodlessHeathen
5. Comment #98512 by obscured by clouds on December 13, 2007 at 8:13 pm
What's wrong with QT? We welcome feedback, let us know. Other Comments by obscured by clouds
6. Comment #98514 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I can't use QT on my WinME 'puter.QT required XP on the last version, so I've been using a pirate codec, but now even the new pirate codec demands XP.
How about MPEG?
Everyone can open MPEG.
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7. Comment #98515 by Riz on December 13, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Quicktime is a piece of shit software that's slow, that's whats wrong :)Yeah, if it has to be on an internal server, links to downloadable .mpg files would be the best [ofcourse youtube pwns all]
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8. Comment #98517 by quill on December 13, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Anyone notice how for some reason, creationist documentaries seem to be stuck in the late 1970s in terms of visual effects? Other Comments by quill
9. Comment #98520 by EvolvedDNA on December 13, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Quill, yes I noticed that as well.. well I guess their skills will never evolve... they don't believe in it.Other Comments by EvolvedDNA
10. Comment #98527 by gkkalai on December 13, 2007 at 8:38 pm
Why does the so called "scientist" hide behind darkness and why does all the commentators are having dull voice?Garbage....
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11. Comment #98532 by GodlessHeathen on December 13, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I vote for MPEG as well (if I can't have Theora/Vorbis =^_^=)-------------------------
On the video, however; as I mentioned on the Bad Astronomer's site, the damn thing is a deliberate and considered lie.
That really bothers me. It's a lie. Deliberate mis-information targeted at children. How disgusting is that?
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12. Comment #98534 by BCReason on December 13, 2007 at 8:49 pm
I like Quicktime. Of course I just bought a new Macbook so they play great. If your still using Win ME, I wonder if you like to buy some stock in a buggy whip factory.Other Comments by BCReason
13. Comment #98536 by bradpitcher on December 13, 2007 at 8:52 pm
The problem with quicktime is that it's a proprietary format, so you have to either decode it with the official quicktime decoder or a decoder which has been written through reverse engineering. It would be better to use an open format that's fair game for everyone. Mpeg works but I would like to suggest Ogg Theora. Other Comments by bradpitcher
14. Comment #98537 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 8:52 pm
BCReason-Well excuuuse me for being poor!
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15. Comment #98539 by sillysighbean on December 13, 2007 at 8:54 pm
LOL BCReason...I love my quicktime and quicktime pro, it is the future software that has many options for handing streaming videos. Anyone looking for cassette tapes or vinyl?Other Comments by sillysighbean
16. Comment #98540 by rustylix on December 13, 2007 at 8:54 pm
For windows users that hate quicktime, check out QT Lite or Quicktime Alternative these codecs will allow you to watch quicktime movies in windows media player without all the quicktime bullshit. Other Comments by rustylix
17. Comment #98542 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 8:58 pm
rustylix-Heh, yeah, if you've got XP. :P
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18. Comment #98545 by faye on December 13, 2007 at 9:03 pm
I saw some people the other day handing out free copies of this DVD in the city where I live. I was going to try to act all interested and get them to give me loads of copies to give to my friends - but then throw them all in a bin in a bid to save a few other people from them - but I know I can't act that well, so I didn't bother.Luckily, I did see several copies in the rubbish and abandoned on cafe tables further up the street - looks like people dumped them pretty quick when they realised what they were!
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19. Comment #98546 by GodlessHeathen on December 13, 2007 at 9:03 pm
Diacanu; We still love you even if you don't have the latest hardware. Would we call you "our li'l ragamuffin" if we didn't care? =^_^=But seriously, please folks. Closed standards have not been serving us well. Lets stick with open standards that will let everyone in, please?
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20. Comment #98547 by rustylix on December 13, 2007 at 9:07 pm
DiacanuVersions 1.52 and below work with ME, but yeah, finding a download is the key.
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21. Comment #98550 by steveroot on December 13, 2007 at 9:12 pm
I wonder if the creationistas have an explanation for why god would make some planets of different materials, of different sizes, with/without moons, moons orbiting retrograde, orbits out of the plane of the ecliptic, etc.What? No explanation? Is that a *GAP* ??
Sorry, it's just the "mysterious ways" thing. Oh, well...
Steve ;-)
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22. Comment #98553 by rustylix on December 13, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Anyway, I like it how they are basically pointing out "gaps" in the current "theory" but offer no solution of their own other than "joddidit".Obviously, I think rationale like this will ultimately be religion's undoing.
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23. Comment #98554 by brue68 on December 13, 2007 at 9:18 pm
I'd like to throw in my $.02 US in favour of open standards as well. Other Comments by brue68
24. Comment #98560 by ChrisMcL on December 13, 2007 at 9:33 pm
QT is good. Other Comments by ChrisMcL
25. Comment #98564 by chauvinj on December 13, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Oh god...not another one of those "if such a thoery doesn't hold therefore goddidit" videos...Other Comments by chauvinj
26. Comment #98565 by Cartomancer on December 13, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Can I stand up and vote for parchment and quills please? Other Comments by Cartomancer
27. Comment #98588 by rustylix on December 13, 2007 at 10:57 pm
We download the videos on our media server, youtube vids can get taken down, now we have a copy.
Why not embed the media in your own flash player that has nothing to do with youtube?
From a cross browser/platform standpoint, flash would probably offer the most/easiest compatability. Which is probably why youtube uses it in the first place.
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28. Comment #98592 by GodlessHeathen on December 13, 2007 at 11:03 pm
27. Comment #98588 by rustylix on December 13, 2007 at 10:57 pmRustylix B smart. =^_^=
Why not embed the media in your own flash player that has nothing to do with youtube?
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29. Comment #98601 by YssiBoo on December 13, 2007 at 11:30 pm
My ears bleed when I watch this crap! The Creationist Stupidity Waves (CSW) are trying to replace my brainwaves with muck! Other Comments by YssiBoo
30. Comment #98606 by Diacanu on December 13, 2007 at 11:40 pm
I imagine the "CSWs" being fired at me by Count Dooku, and I catch them and dissipate them like Yoda.:)
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31. Comment #98628 by MuNky82 on December 14, 2007 at 12:33 am
Diacanu here is a link to Quicktime Alternative v1.56 (last version to support Win9x) http://mirror.edskes.net/.I personally like the open standard of mp4. I hate flash based players since I prefer to download than capture streams (latency is not good in my part of the world). It also uses better compression than mp1/2, thus smaller file sizes versus quality.
If rd.net would keep the compression non qt v7 then we wouldn't have the trouble of Win9x compatibility. This file is perfect IMO. Windows users can download K-Lite basic or standard over at www.free-codecs.com . The bundled Media Player Classic is a light resource using application that handles qt, real and flash.
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32. Comment #98630 by RickM on December 14, 2007 at 12:51 am
As usual, these videos are specifically created to influence the ignorant (kind'a like the bible). Other Comments by RickM
33. Comment #98637 by epeeist on December 14, 2007 at 1:06 am
Comment #98628 by MuNky82
I personally like the open standard of mp4.
I don't think the Fraunhoffer institute would agree with you about the open nature of the mpeg standard.
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34. Comment #98639 by JanChan on December 14, 2007 at 1:08 am
It's times like this when I doubt that creationists even know what gravity is. If they had even taken a basic class in Physics, they would have known that Sun's gravity is so high that it causes itself to condense in the middle. Gas Giants gravity are also very high, so they can hold on to their gases. Rocky planets are small and have weak gravity, so lighter gases can't be held on to.Other Comments by JanChan
35. Comment #98642 by mdowe on December 14, 2007 at 1:15 am
I'm a Unix person myself, and an advocate of open source and open standards, so naturally I am of the opinion that posting multimedia in a open media format is best (then everybody with a computer can access it!) Other Comments by mdowe
36. Comment #98643 by PJG on December 14, 2007 at 1:21 am
If this were a spoof, it would be very funny. The fact that it is supposed to be "science", and will be seen by some as true, is REALLY scary.What ARE children being taught in schools if there is a single person, of any age, who falls for this crap?
There is a great comment on the YouTube version of this....
Applemask
"What the Herman is wrong with you people? All planets must be identical to the sun? And each other?
You're making Jesus cry. Leave teaching to people who know things".
I love "Leave teaching to people who know things". Maybe this could become the evolutionists' motto!!
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37. Comment #98644 by Verylee on December 14, 2007 at 1:34 am
Required watching for the next generation of politicians. Other Comments by Verylee
38. Comment #98645 by MuNky82 on December 14, 2007 at 1:36 am
I don't think the Fraunhoffer institute would agree with you about the open nature of the mpeg standard.
MPEG 4 as an open container (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG & http://www.chiariglione.org/mpeg/) set forth by ISO, not as a codec. Xvid is open/free, Divx is free to use non commercially, 3ivx too. Qt is almost the same as Divx, only with more restrictions on the use. They all are superior standards to MPEG 1 and 2. Rd.net should use a free to use codec that is MPEG 4 level 2, to maintain Win9x compatibility, unlike QT v7 which is MPEG 4 level 11.
Fraunhoffer was upset because their codec version of MPEG 1 level 3 aka .mp3 was abused - a codec for audio. That is why a lot of players & encoders now use a free standard of .mp3 - LAME etc.
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39. Comment #98647 by gaving on December 14, 2007 at 1:37 am
Another vote for something open, information wants to be free!Other Comments by gaving
40. Comment #98652 by steve99 on December 14, 2007 at 1:53 am
What's wrong with QT? We welcome feedback, let us know.
Like an increasing number of people, I use Ubuntu Linux as my desktop system much of the time. I can't use QT on that (at least, I don't think I can).
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41. Comment #98656 by MuNky82 on December 14, 2007 at 1:58 am
I would say Ogg Vorbis (audio) and Theora (video) even if they are obscure-ish. RD.net should just post a link to their page ( www.xiph.org ) for the latest version of the codec like they do with Quicktime. There are links to plugins for Windows (DirectShow), Mac (Quicktime) and Linux/Unix users. Shouldn't be too hard since they are multi-platform and free. Obscured by Clouds , you guys could simply post the last page for the download of the filters for every platform. Other Comments by MuNky82
42. Comment #98666 by MuNky82 on December 14, 2007 at 2:25 am
Steve99 - when I used VLC once because a HD .mov didn't work well on my (Windows) system, it worked beautifully, maybe VLC could work for you? http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html Other Comments by MuNky82
43. Comment #98671 by PJG on December 14, 2007 at 2:37 am
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And what if the universe WAS created by a big explosion? Then the rest is garbage.... well, ok... the rest is garbage anyway, but at least they do SAY it could all be wrong.
This is SO reminiscent of the "If the theory of natural selection is wrong, the only other explanation is GODDIDIT".
Watch out for the court cases regarding the demands for the "alternative theory of astronomy" to be taught in science classes.
The creationists have been pretty much beaten on the evolution front... this is the next one.
Also, is the implication supposed to be that the chap at the beginning is a scientist? It is laughable, the whole thing. A good sign in a way, they are clearly grasping at straws.
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44. Comment #98673 by Tyler Durden on December 14, 2007 at 2:42 am
So, God exists 'cause these morons can't understand 5th-grade astronomy?From the video:
"Scientists have no answers as to why 4 planets have rings."No answers? Really? Not even one answer? I learnt why planets have rings when I was a ten-year old. What "scientists" did these bozos talk to while putting this piece of junk together?
So. Very. Sad.
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45. Comment #98675 by Verylee on December 14, 2007 at 2:48 am
Oh no, No answers! They only have "theories" remember!! Just theories! Other Comments by Verylee
46. Comment #98680 by BMMcArdle on December 14, 2007 at 3:13 am
Science for home-schoolers.Other Comments by BMMcArdle
47. Comment #98684 by albacore on December 14, 2007 at 3:15 am
I have XP but run Firefox and none of the quicktime videos run properly. I think I have up-to-date versions but I generally now link to the original or have to run explorer to view video. Another vote here for open source - although I have no idea what that would be.Other Comments by albacore
48. Comment #98685 by Tyler Durden on December 14, 2007 at 3:15 am
And yet if Dawkins, Hitch, Harris et al had been this lazy, unscrupulous and downright nefarious with regard to their respective works, they'd be castigated in the press, sacked from whatever position they hold, and "run out of town like common pygmies" to quote Frank Drebin :) Other Comments by Tyler Durden
49. Comment #98706 by bluebird on December 14, 2007 at 5:14 am
Science for home-schoolers
Yes, it's probable they watch this DVD and/or similiar ones. It's akin to mental hobbling.
I was skimming thru a 'Bible Mysteries Explained' booklet recently; people who doubt
creationism are referred to as Scoffing Skeptical Secularists. I only scoff when applicable.
Per these videos, *scoff,scoff*
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50. Comment #98714 by eirik on December 14, 2007 at 5:39 am
To all of you out there who don't like QuickTime: Richard Dawkins is, and has been for as long as I've seen him use computers, an Apple fan boy, and I'm guessing Josh Timonen that runs this site is too. So we're stuck with QT. No getting around it.Other Comments by eirik
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