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Monday, January 21, 2008 | Reason : Interviews | print version Print | Comments

Document Interview with Ian McEwan

by The New Republic

Reposted from:
http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=2cee28d1-869d-447a-8e83-4e046f5ad6df

'Atonement' author Ian McEwan on Bellow, the Internet, atheism, and why his books are still scary.

I just read a quote of yours, "Atheists have as much conscience, possibly more, than people with deep religious convictions," and I have noticed that recently you have been talking a little more about atheism. You also contributed an essay to a new book called The Portable Atheist. What are your thoughts on the "New Atheist" movement, which has gotten so much publicity and sold so many books in the last year or so. Do you think it differs from strains of atheism in the past?

I am a little baffled as to why it is called the "New Atheism." There is a very long tradition of free thinking, and the arguments made against religion tend to be the same but made over and over again. But I think what has happened is that there have been a number of good, articulate books--Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Sam Harris, and so on. What they have discovered to their own great surprise is that in the United States, and right across the South too, there are an enormous number of people who also think this way. I don't think they have suddenly been persuaded by this rash of books--the feelings were there anyway--but they didn't have a voice, they didn't have a focus. When Hitchens took his book across the Bible Belt and debated with Baptist ministers in churches, there were huge audiences, most of whom, it seems, from when they spoke to him afterwards, were somewhat irritated that the place in the United States that they lived in was called the Bible Belt. I think there was something there that people had not taken into account. Quite heartening really, given that America is meant to be a secular republic with a strong tradition of upholding all freedom of thought.

Do you see religion as ineradicable, or do you think there is a chance to change people's minds on religion?

I think it is ineradicable, and I think it is a terrible idea to suppress it, too. We have tried that and it joins the list of political oppression. It seems to be fairly deeply stitched into human nature. It seems to be part of all cultures, so I don't expect it to vanish. And yet at the same time, if it is built into human nature, why are there so many people who don't believe in it? I think it is important that people with no religious beliefs speak up and speak for what they value. It is a bit of a problem, the title "Atheist"--no one really wants to be defined by what they do not believe in. We haven't yet settled on a name, but you wouldn't expect a Baptist minister to go around calling himself an "aDarwinist". But it is crucial that people who do not have a sky god and don't have a set of supernatural beliefs assert their belief in moral values and in love and in the transcendence that they might experience in landscape or art or music or sculpture or whatever. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, it makes them give more valence to life itself. The little spark that we do have becomes all the more valuable when you can't be trading off any moments for eternity.

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1. Comment #114177 by arthursanford on January 21, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Ian McEwan rocks! I wish I could make love to his brain...

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2. Comment #114179 by mikecbraun on January 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm

 avatarI just threw up in my mouth a little, arthursanford.

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3. Comment #114181 by Epinephrine on January 21, 2008 at 1:46 pm

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I'm assuming you haven't actually held a brain then...

Nice to see another mention of moral atheists. I don't agree that religion is ineradicable, I suspect it's just a matter of time and education.

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4. Comment #114214 by Friend Giskard on January 21, 2008 at 2:53 pm

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you wouldn't expect a Baptist minister to go around calling himself a Darwinist

Surely this should read, "you wouldn't expect a Baptist minister to go around calling himself an a-Darwinist". Probably the fault of an inattentive sub-editor.

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5. Comment #114215 by Szymanowski on January 21, 2008 at 2:56 pm

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America is meant to be a secular republic with a strong tradition of upholding all freedom of thought
Joseph McCarthy would disagree!

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6. Comment #114217 by the great teapot on January 21, 2008 at 3:06 pm

It is built in to human nature.
yup we all want to live forever, and if our parents tell us we will,why should we let go?
I'm gunna live forever.
I'm gunna live forever.
I ain't never been into no book reading but papa says its so.
You smart arsed atheists sure gunna look dumb when you go to hell.

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7. Comment #114257 by Patrick McArdle on January 21, 2008 at 4:29 pm

"I think it is ineradicable, and I think it is a terrible idea to suppress it, too."

We don't get rid of bad ideas by suppressing them; we rid ourselves of bad ideas by examining them rationally and critically, and using logic to prove how bad they are.

If we eliminated childhood indoctrination of religious values, we might rid ourselves of religion in a lifetime or two. Richard Dawkins has already asked us to reject the idea of a Christian or Islamic or Jewish child. We should work from there. Let us challenge the religionists: if your doctrine is true, then adults will choose it freely. Stop abusing children!

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8. Comment #114261 by Jack Rawlinson on January 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm

 avatarMcEwan's long been one of my favourite authors. This is good.

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9. Comment #114295 by LorienRyan on January 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm

 avatarGreat comments by Ian McEwan.

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10. Comment #114306 by PJG on January 21, 2008 at 8:51 pm

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Hmmmm. I just wish his quote had been "Atheists CAN have as much conscience, possibly more, than people with deep religious convictions".

By saying "Atheists have as much conscience, possibly more, than people with deep religious convictions", it gives us two things we have to defend....

a) it suggests that atheism has a belief system attached to it which feeds the "atheism is just another religion" argument

b) There are some ghastly atheists with no conscience... just as there are ghastly theists with no conscience. Atheists do not believe in a god. There is no unity beyond that.

(Of course, I don't include the atheists on this site... every one of whom is intelligent, educated, highly ethical, kind and full of integrity with bags of common sense.... to say nothing of immensely good looking!!!!)

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11. Comment #114309 by robotaholic on January 21, 2008 at 10:10 pm

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"Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think and how to disagree with you."

-The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins

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12. Comment #114460 by JFHalsey on January 22, 2008 at 8:47 am

It seems to be part of all cultures...


So was slavery. 'Nuff said.

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13. Comment #114473 by TQY on January 22, 2008 at 9:14 am

JFHalsey said:

So was slavery. 'Nuff said.

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I don't think that's a good analogy at all. Aboloishing slavery always a far easier proposition. You pass laws, you create economic alternatives...you persuade people that it is no longer viable to keep slaves (even if they still think it is ethically acceptable to do so).

You can create a framework where slavery just isn't possible..I don't see how you can you rid the world of religion in the same way.

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14. Comment #114714 by jtdman on January 22, 2008 at 3:51 pm

JFHalsey said:

So was slavery. 'Nuff said.
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I'm pretty sure I read there are more people in slavery now than any other time in history
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/060718

So I guess not 'nuff said!

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