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Document Contribute to science directly by volunteering some of your computer's processing power!

by RichardDawkins.net

Contribute to science directly by volunteering some of your computer's processing power!
By: Christopher Campbell

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Imagine being able to explore the realm of science and advance its causes.

Imagine searching the vastness of the universe, discovering pulsars and unveiling evidence for gravitational waves, or helping concerned scientists of the world to surmount the enormous and complex task of climate modeling, and in doing so, to understand how to prepare for the future of our planet.

Imagine being involved in the analysis of DNA sequence data and revealing previously unknown evolutionary relationships, or being an integral part of the effort to conquer even one of the world's most pressing diseases such as leukemia, cancer, HIV or Alzheimer's and the enormous sense of achievement that would accompany such a victory.

All of this is possible, by becoming a member of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science BOINC team.


What is BOINC ?

BOINC (Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) is free software that implements a method for distributed computing (DC). BOINC allows researchers to benefit from the resources of personal computers on a worldwide basis and concerned citizens to volunteer their computers for use and make a contribution to science.

There are several reasons why volunteer computing is important:

* The sheer amount of resources would not be available any other way.
* Supercomputers are prohibitively expensive and are often already busy with other projects such as weapons design, espionage and surveillance of one's own citizenry. Constructing a suitable distributed computing farm is also expensive and problematic as well.
* Resources scale upwards with time as users upgrade to more powerful machines.
* It generates public interest in science and allows the public to help set the course for our future.

It's the easiest way to make a contribution to science and become a part of the solution.

BOINC was originally developed to implement the SETI@home project (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence). This project involved computer analysis of mass quantities of data. Rather than incurring the extreme expense of a supercomputer, BOINC allowed the researchers to break up the task into appropriately sized chunks (workunits) and distribute these chunks to personal computers. The PC's subsequently number crunch and return the results ro a server.

BOINC along with its associated projects has a credit system. Each individual computer has a defined account. When a workunit is completed, the results are verified and the account is awarded a quantity of credits. The purpose of this is to maintain the accuracy of the results by avoiding cheating and to promote competition. Individual accounts may also join teams, which makes it fun and also promotes an organization's visibility.

BOINC is generally supported on the following platforms: Windows; Macintosh; Linux based operating systems (including Debian and Ubuntu) and Solaris. There are system requirements for each of these as explained during the installation process.

BOINC eventually evolved to deploy an impressive array of scientific projects, including biology and medicine, astronomy, physics, chemistry, earth sciences and mathematics. Most of these projects are academic in nature and are university based, with the results made available to researchers worldwide free of charge.

Here are the steps involved in getting started.


* Download, install and run the BOINC client software.
* Pick one or more projects that interest you.
* Attach to the project(s) you selected.
* Join the team named: "Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science"

Download, install and run the BOINC client software.


Use the following URL to obtain the BOINC client software (aka BOINC Manager). Read the system requirements and instructions carefully: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

Pick one or more projects that interest you.

The BOINC web site offers the following guidance when selecting a project:

" BOINC software is used by many volunteer computing projects. These projects are completely independent. Some are based at universities and research labs, others are run by companies and individuals. When you participate in a project, you entrust it with the health of your computer and the privacy of your data. In deciding whether to participate in a project, read its web site and consider the following questions:

* Does it clearly describe its goals, and are these goals important and beneficial?
* Do you trust that its applications won't damage your computer or violate your privacy?
* Do you trust it to use proper security practices on its servers?
* Who owns the results of the computation? Will they be freely available to the public or will they belong to a for-profit business? "

There are many projects to choose from. What follows is a list of many of the top projects for which RDFRS is currently engaged. It does not represent all of the available projects and there are many other ensuing projects as well. The format of the list is:

* Project name and core institutions behind it.
* Web site address
* The project's goal


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climateprediction.net (CPDN) - Oxford University; Rutherford Appleton Laboratory; The Open University
http://climateprediction.net

Goal: To investigate the approximations that have to be made in state-of-the-art climate models. By running the model thousands of times we hope to find out how the model responds to slight tweaks to these approximations - slight enough to not make the approximations any less realistic. This will allow us to improve our understanding of how sensitive our models are to small changes and also to things like changes in carbon dioxide and the sulphur cycle. This will allow us to explore how climate may change in the next century under a wide range of different scenarios.

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Einstein@home - University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee ; Albert Einstein Institute
http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/

Goal: Search for spinning neutron stars (also called pulsars) using data from the LIGO and GEO gravitational wave detectors. Einstein@Home is a World Year of Physics 2005 project supported by the American Physical Society (APS) and by a number of international organizations.

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Rosetta@home - University of Washington
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta

Goal: Determine the 3-dimensional shapes of proteins in research that may ultimately lead to finding cures for some major human diseases. By running Rosetta@home you will help us speed up and extend our research in ways we couldn't possibly attempt without your help. You will also be helping our efforts at designing new proteins to fight diseases such as HIV, Malaria, Cancer, and Alzheimer's
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SETI@home - U.C. Berkeley Space Sciences Laboratory
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/

Goal: SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) is a scientific area whose goal is to detect intelligent life outside Earth. One approach, known as radio SETI, uses radio telescopes to listen for narrow-bandwidth radio signals from space. Such signals are not known to occur naturally, so a detection would provide evidence of extraterrestrial technology.

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World Community Grid (WCG) - IBM Corporate Community Relations
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org

Goal: To further critical non-profit research on some of humanity's most pressing problems by creating the world's largest volunteer computing grid. Research includes HIV/AIDS, cancer, muscular dystrophy, dengue fever, and many more.
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BBC CCE - Oxford University; UK Met Office; BBC, Open University; Reading University
http://bbc.cpdn.org

Goal: This is a part of the CPDN project. It is currently closed to new users as of this writing.
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Predictor@home - Scripps Research Institute
http://predictor.scripps.edu

Goal: Protein structure prediction starts from a sequence of amino acids and attempts to predict the folded, functioning, form of the protein. Predicting the structure of an unknown protein is a critical problem in enabling structure-based drug design to treat new and existing diseases.
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malariacontrol.net - The Swiss Tropical Institute
http://www.malariacontrol.net

Goal: Simulation models of the transmission dynamics and health effects of malaria are an important tool for malaria control. They can be used to determine optimal strategies for delivering mosquito nets, chemotherapy, or new vaccines which are currently under development and testing. Such modeling is extremely computer intensive, requiring simulations of large human populations with a diverse set of parameters related to biological and social factors that influence the distribution of the disease.
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LHC@home - CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research)
http://lhcathome.cern.ch

Goal: The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator which is being built at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, the world's largest particle physics laboratory. When it switches on in 2007, it will be the most powerful instrument ever built to investigate on particles proprieties. LHC@home simulates particles traveling around the LHC to study the stability of their orbits.
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Spinhenge@home - Bielefeld University of Applied Sciences
http://spin.fh-bielefeld.de

Goal: The study of molecular magnets and controlled nanoscale magnetism. These magnetic molecules may be used to develop tiny magnetic switches, with applications in medicine (such as local tumor chemotherapy) and biotechnology.
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Leiden Classical - Leiden University, The Netherlands
http://boinc.gorlaeus.net

Goal: Surface science calculations using Classical Dynamics. In contrast to other projects, Leiden Classical allows volunteers, students and other scientist to submit their personal calculations to the grid. Each user has his own personal queue for Classical Dynamics jobs. In this way students have used the grid to simulate liquid argon, or to test the validity of the ideal gas law by actually doing the simulations through the grid.
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Cosmology@Home - University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
http://www.cosmologyathome.org

Goal: To search for the model that best describes our Universe and to find the range of models that agree with the available astronomical and particle physics data. In order to achieve this goal, participants in Cosmology@Home (i.e. you!) will compute the observable predictions of millions of theoretical models with different parameter combinations. We will use the results of your computations to compare all the available data with these models. In addition, the results from Cosmology@Home can help design future cosmological observations and experiments, and prepare for the analysis of future data sets, e.g. from the Planck spacecraft.
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Tanpaku - Tokyo University of Science
http://issofty17.is.noda.tus.ac.jp

Goal: To predict protein structure and function from genetic sequences, using the 'Brownian Dynamics' (BD) method. This method enables us to simulate more efficiently than conventional methods.
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SZTAKI Desktop Grid (SZDG) - MTA-SZTAKI Laboratory of Parallel and Distributed Systems (Budapest)
http://szdg.lpds.sztaki.hu/szdg

Goal: Find all the generalized binary number systems (in which bases are matrices and digits are vectors) up to dimension 11.
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The Lattice Project - University of Maryland Center for Bioinformatics and Computational Biology
http://boinc.umiacs.umd.edu

Goal: The Lattice Project supplies computing power to scientists at the University of Maryland studying evolutionary relationships based on DNA sequence data; bacterial, plasmid, and virus protein sequences; and biological diversity in nature reserves.
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Attach to the project(s) you selected

The BOINC manager has a simple view and an advanced view. Attach to a project with the simple view by clicking the Add Project button. Attach to a project with the advanced view by selecting 'Attach to project...' from the Tools dropdown. During the attach process you will enter in a project URL (e.g. climateprediction.net), your E-mail address and a password uniquely associated with your BOINC account (this is not the password associated with your E-mail address!).


Join the team named: "Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science"

Once you have selected and attached your project(s), there is a button from the BOINC Manager that allows you to access your account's definition on the project's web site. This is where the join function is accomplished. Make sure that you use the following team name:

"Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science"

and not

"Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science Team"


Reasons why people hesitate to use BOINC and counter-arguments.

Criticism: Running BOINC projects tends to encourage users to run their computers 24/7, so this is bad for the environment.

Rebuttals: If project data were not crunched using volunteer computing, most of it would crunched anyway with few options available. The supercomputer option has the problem of limited availability and is generally cost-prohibitive. Building a distributed computing 'farm' is undesirable as most of the environmental impact of a computer is its manufacture and not the power consumed in running it. During winter months, warmth from the computer can partially or completely replace space heating requirements. Participation in climate modeling projects such as CPDN, tends to make crunchers more aware of their energy consumption, prompting energy offsetting behaviors and green awareness. The carbon footprint of cruching can be easily offset. The benefits from running the projects have the potential to far outweigh the costs. It was calculated at one time that the amount of energy consumed by making tea in the UK alone is 23 times more than that of running the entire CPDN project. And this calculation was made assuming 100% efficiency for heating the water!

Criticism: The computer fans of BOINC crunchers will be working hard all the time the tasks are being processed. Fans are therefore likely to fail earlier than would have been the case otherwise.

Rebuttal: Running BOINC project tasks ensures that the fans run at an almost constant speed. This may be better for fan life than the usual frequent changes of speed.

Criticism: The CPU will overheat when used at 100%.

Rebuttals: Modern CPUs are designed to run at 100% without overheating. Temperatures can be easily monitored.
In the case of laptops whose cooling capacity is much more limited, BOINC crunchers can reduce the CPU usage by project tasks to any lower % they prefer. This precaution is strongly advised by BOINC projects.

Criticism: The computer will have to be connected to the internet all the time, increasing the likelihood of infection by malware.

Rebuttals: BOINC crunchers are always strongly recommended to run their normal anti-virus and firewall programs all the time. Computers running BOINC project tasks do not need to connect to the internet more frequently or for longer periods. Intermittent contact with the project servers is perfectly satisfactory. The computer owner has complete control of computer usage, the running of project tasks and access to the internet.

Criticism: I have doubts as to how the information is to be used (i.e. for greed based purposes vs. altruistic reasons).

Rebuttals: The websites of all the major BOINC projects can be visited before one decides whether to attach to them and process their tasks. One can select projects whose research, methods and aims one agrees with. In the case of CPDN, the data collected from computation of climate models by members of the public is now made available free of charge to climate researchers worldwide. This encourages research in countries without extensive computing facilities and reduces the duplication of research projects. If one became disenchanted with a project at a later stage, one could detach from it within seconds and with immediate effect.

Criticism: I have other general concerns regarding security and privacy.

Rebuttal: Although the BOINC software is open-source and anyone could set up a project, there is nevertheless a list of recommended projects one can select from during the download/install/project selection process. These are projects whose administrators are known personally to the founder of BOINC, Dr David Anderson at the University of California in Berkeley, and whose security safeguards he is satisfied with.

Future Projects

While the potential benefits from existing BOINC projects are staggering, there are other fascinating projects just around the corner. Here's a small sample:

* Planetquest - will involve a search for extrasolar planets.
* Intelligence Realm - will involve reverse engineering the brain with the intent of building a large artificial intelligence system.
* orbit@home - will study Solar System dynamics with initial focus on NEA (Near Earth Asteroid) research.


There are many others likely to follow.

Conclusion

Joining the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science BOINC team is the easiest way to make a contribution to science. It doesn't cost anything, it's easy to join and has many diverse research projects that have broad appeal. It provides for friendly competition and it's fun to see your credits accrue, but most importantly, the contribution you make may be part of a fantastic advancement for the world.

Please join the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science BOINC team and make your contribution to science!

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1. Comment #139665 by Geoff on March 6, 2008 at 11:29 am

 avatarI've only had time to skim the article. I'm already running seti@home, and have been for ages. Is this different software, or just an increased choice of allocation?

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2. Comment #139668 by Enlightenme.. on March 6, 2008 at 11:34 am

 avatarNot entirely convinced by rebuttal #1

^Seti@home Geoff?
Are you familiar with David Brin's work at all?

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3. Comment #139706 by Shaden on March 6, 2008 at 12:16 pm

 avatarRemind's me of Stanford's Folding@Home http://folding.stanford.edu/

Of which I've contributed quite a few work units with my PS3 and computer. The only thing I don't like about these is how much power my devices draw. I worked it out to be several hundred dollars a year in electricity.

Now, with the new Intel processors coming out consuming under 10watts (some under 1watt) I would be much more interested in doing more of these type of things.

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4. Comment #139707 by RichardPrins on March 6, 2008 at 12:16 pm

 avatarGeoff, not sure which client you are using to run SETI@home, but the BOINC client can run SETI@home as well (see the fourth position in the stats at the bottom) as one of the projects it can process...

We've currently got 154 members crunching away, and as that stats graphic shows, as far as teams go, we're at position 492 out of 71,860 teams worldwide.

More info at: http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_graph.php?pr=bo&id=133060

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5. Comment #139713 by bentleyd on March 6, 2008 at 12:20 pm

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* Supercomputers are prohibitively expensive and are often already busy with other projects such as weapons design, espionage and surveillance of one's own citizenry.

Well, I was interested until you started in on this left wing, peacenik, hippy shit.

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6. Comment #139717 by Richard Feldmann on March 6, 2008 at 12:30 pm

I also contribute CPU time to Folding@Home. If there's a good team that anyone here is involved in, let me know. I'd be glad to join up.

I'll definitely check out BOINC, as well, but I'm afraid my little GNU/Linux server can't stand much more. :)

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7. Comment #139719 by arogop on March 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm

 avatar5. Comment #139713 by bentleyd

I think ScooterNYC says liberal facist.

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8. Comment #139735 by Devolution on March 6, 2008 at 12:53 pm

 avatarCan anyone share their experience with using BOINC? Is it a huge hog of memory or have you noticed any problems with your computer since you've installed it?

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9. Comment #139736 by AtheistRamblings on March 6, 2008 at 12:54 pm

 avatarI'm a big fan of BOINC and I've joined the Richard Dawkins BOING group. However, supercomputers aren't that expensive any more
http://www.smh.com.au/news/articles/new-supercomputer-is-a-rack-of-playstations/2008/02/26/1203788327976.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

and in the downtime you get to play Call of Duty 4!

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10. Comment #139744 by Mitchell Gilks on March 6, 2008 at 1:00 pm

 avatarWell, I'm not running any such thing, and I never turn my pc off anyway. I'll see how much processing power they plan on taking from me. I think my PC is a little bit over average, I built it about 6 months ago. AMD 3800 dualcore athlon processor, 4 gig memory, my board can handle two pci express graphic cards, but I haven't gotten around to picking up a second one yet. I have 1 8600 geforce gts.

So I think I have come processor speed to spare.

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11. Comment #139780 by RichardPrins on March 6, 2008 at 1:39 pm

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Can anyone share their experience with using BOINC? Is it a huge hog of memory or have you noticed any problems with your computer since you've installed it?

It needn't give problems. You can specify in the BOINC client how much memory/CPU it should use, as well how much disk space, and whether it should run while you're using the computer or not...

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12. Comment #139785 by rod-the-farmer on March 6, 2008 at 1:45 pm

 avatarDevolution asked about BOINC being a memory hog. Nah. I have been running the SETI tool for many years, just about since if first came out. You can set the BOINC software to run ONLY when you are not doing something else. Pick a timeout of 3 minutes or more, and only when your PC is idle that long will it start crunching numbers again. It stops once you do anything, even move the mouse. My PC has a hyper-threading processor, so I can have part of it run SETI all the time. I agree that it will consume a bit more power. The figure someone gave of several hundred dollars a year seems way too high. Details please ?

I have my own SETI team, so I will continue using that. Not nearly so many members, though.

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13. Comment #139808 by AtheistRamblings on March 6, 2008 at 2:17 pm

 avatarI run boinc as a service on a number of machines, so I don't get the fancy screen savers. Ive set Boinc up to run only when nothing else is running (ie, when cpu/core is in idle). I was also worried by the sounds the fans were making on one dual core machine after a night running boinc so I set the cpu/core usage to 50%, runs a lot better now. Snuck boinc onto my son's PC and he hasn't even noticed.

You can also configure boinc to run only after you haven't touched the keyboard and/or mouse for several minutes.

As well as specifying CPU usage you can also specify how much memory disk space it can take up. I've used Boinc for over a year now and Seti before that and I haven't had a problem. Give it a try and if you think it causes issues on your PC then remove it; it's very easy. I recommend the service install (especially if you have several logins on the machine) the downside is that you don't get the fancy screen savers ... unless they fixed that.

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14. Comment #139834 by Devolution on March 6, 2008 at 2:39 pm

 avatarCool, thanks guys I will give it a try.

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15. Comment #139847 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 2:50 pm

 avatarI've been running seti since "the beginning of time" and have added climateprediction to one of my other machines.

I have never had any problems related to bonic. Some network guys are not at all happy about it for reasons that seem irrational to me. jcw

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16. Comment #139870 by JSW on March 6, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Scientific progress goes BOINC?

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17. Comment #139894 by notsobad on March 6, 2008 at 4:13 pm

 avatarI suggest you monitor your CPU temperature, especially if you have an older CPU and fan.

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18. Comment #139930 by carlcamper on March 6, 2008 at 6:53 pm

 avatarJust joined less than a month ago. BOINC is very much optimized to use only what it can in terms of CPU and memory. I've been racking up them credits good :D

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19. Comment #140256 by AshtonBlack on March 7, 2008 at 4:35 am

 avatarhttp://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_1419155.gif

*cough*

Already there bud.!

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20. Comment #140345 by Buddha on March 7, 2008 at 7:08 am

 avatarI've been a BOINC member for about a year now running both SETI@Home and ClimatePrediction. I would advise anyone with modest hardware avoid ClimatePrediction as it requires serious number crunching otherwise you may not meet the submission deadlines for the work units. My 1.6GHz Duo Core 2GB RAM laptop has been chugging away for 6 months and is only 25% through it's model run that needs to be finished by July. My other PC that I use for gaming eats through SETI@Home work units in about 3 hours.

My experience of BOINC is that it is very stable and doesn't interfere with what I'm doing - you just need to ensure you have enough RAM e.g 1GB

It's certainly a great way to participate in leading edge scientific endeavour and I can't recommend it highly enough.

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21. Comment #140383 by The Schuermannator on March 7, 2008 at 8:25 am

 avatarSETI@home member since 31 Dec 2000
Total credit 16,220
Recent average credit 19.19
SETI@home classic workunits 241
SETI@home classic CPU time 3,384 hours

Another proud member here... In fact, I recently saw Dr. Seth Shostak of SETI speak a lil' lecture at Florida Tech concerning the possibilities of finding life elsewhere in the universe. If any of you have the chance to see him locally, DO IT! He's a memorable character.

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22. Comment #140429 by Geoff on March 7, 2008 at 9:48 am

 avatarEnlightenme #2 Only Brin's sci-fi, I'm afraid; Haven't read any of his non-fiction. Coincidentally I'm reading "Foundation's Triumph" now! (I always have a fiction and a non-fiction book on the go, depending what mood I'm in).

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23. Comment #140446 by GBile on March 7, 2008 at 11:13 am

From the BOINC statistics for the RD Foundation I learn that on januari 25, 2008 a 'singularity' took place in the BOINC-space.
( http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_graph.php?pr=bo&id=133060 )
What happened ?

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24. Comment #140450 by obscured by clouds on March 7, 2008 at 11:31 am

 avatarI just wanted to thank the all new members! Looks like we attracted some heavy crunchers!

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25. Comment #140476 by Peter_on_Sax on March 7, 2008 at 1:27 pm

OK, ok, so I've downloaded the software and signed up to climate and malaria. I had to - couldn't stand the peer-to-peer pressure any more. So now what? Will the climate people tell the malaria people where the mosquitoes will go next? And then, will my PC get merits and go to silicon heaven? And don't try to tell me I'm deluded about silicon heaven! Or answer me this: where do all the little calculators go? well?

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26. Comment #140493 by Geoff on March 7, 2008 at 2:37 pm

 avatarI'm in, but my old account seems to have disappeared. Oh well, we've already gone up one more position!

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27. Comment #140497 by notsobad on March 7, 2008 at 2:42 pm

 avatarSETI?
I like sci-fi too but why not support something practical?

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28. Comment #140513 by Geoff on March 7, 2008 at 3:43 pm

 avatarnotsobad: Wishful thinking, mostly!

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29. Comment #140566 by mumbles on March 7, 2008 at 9:57 pm

 avatarJust installed and joined up. I jumped on the Malaria Control project because I think it has the highest probability of tangible results.

Looking for pulsars and prime numbers is cool and all, but sick people are sick people.

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30. Comment #140745 by RichardPrins on March 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm

 avatarThe World Community Grid runs a number of disease related projects under BOINC as well. In addition there are a number of protein folding projects.

You can subscribe (attach) to a number of projects at the same time, and the BOINC client will switch between those projects (as specified in Preferences). So if you want, you can have it work for an hour (or two) on one project and then have it switch to another project, etc.

And thanks to all those that signed up! We've moved from ~150 to ~200 members in the team in just one day!

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31. Comment #140845 by mumbles on March 8, 2008 at 9:06 pm

 avatarThanks for the info RichardPrins. I went ahead and attached myself to the World Community Grid as well. Now I have one processor working on Malaria Control and one on the World Community Grid.

Thanks for posting this thing, it's nice to help by doing something so monumentally easy.

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32. Comment #140879 by Bluff_King_Hal on March 9, 2008 at 1:26 am

5. Comment #139713 by bentleyd

A tad humor challenged. Fwiw, US Rightists seem at least as preoccupied with the idea of being spied on as Leftists, and that includes the libertarians.

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33. Comment #140889 by Bluff_King_Hal on March 9, 2008 at 3:49 am

It's great to be part of this.

I had an atheist friend who sadly died quite young from cancer. She used to participate in the SETI program on her puter. She's gone now but I like to think she'd be pleased that I chose to follow her footsteps and participate in BOINC. My thing is Climate Change and I've chosen that, while being a little wary of the caveat above. It poses an ethical problem for this humanitarian. Climate Change or medical programs? Wish I had a bigger puter!

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34. Comment #140901 by Gaffer on March 9, 2008 at 4:33 am

 avatarThe energy-saving vs medical research thing was bugging me a few months ago, so I searched on the BOINC forums for an answer or discussion, but couldn't find one. I'm not convinced by the rebuttal provided here either. Maybe with newer, lower power chips it will be different, but my two year old PC creates a good amount of heat and noise. So I keep my PC off when not in use, and only run BOINC when it's idle or downloading something (but I never run SETI, only useful/important things...)

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35. Comment #140946 by babrock on March 9, 2008 at 6:58 am

I am sold on this idea.
I understand this entire internet thing so poorly that I wouldnot see,notice, or understand whatever down side there may well be to it.
For me t problem is I donot understand how to engage t "start this up" button.
I can operate t TV remote well enuf but w/ all t options avaliable on this internet that is often not enuf, and this seems to be one of those cases. If this could be explained to me (and this probably will not be all that easy, as whatever expaination I am given might not be understood by me), I am in.

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36. Comment #140950 by Geoff on March 9, 2008 at 7:07 am

 avatarbabrock: I'll try.

Click on this link

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

From that page, click on "Download BOINC"

Click on "run" in the file download box that will appear.

Once it's downloaded, just follow the instructions in the install wizard (mostly involves clicking "next").

Choose whichever project(s) interest you, and join from their webpage.

there will be a "join a team" option on each webpage - Search for "Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science".

That's it, really - don't bother changing any of the settings.

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37. Comment #140952 by babrock on March 9, 2008 at 7:24 am

Geoff
thanx
I think I can manage that tho I have one short ?.

I havenot yet decided on what project I want to help out w/. I am rather sure tho I want it to be running only when I am not doing anything online.
I am asuming that isnot a problem w/ your "don't bother changing any of the settings" assertion.
I am just not sure about that minor thig is all.
Also note I manged to spell it out entirly since I was quoting you.

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38. Comment #140958 by Geoff on March 9, 2008 at 7:53 am

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I havenot yet decided on what project I want to help out w/


Have a read through the list in the opening article. There's a pretty wide choice. Just pick one to start with, you can always add more later if you feel confident.


I am rather sure tho I want it to be running only when I am not doing anything online.


That's pretty much how it works.

Good luck!

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39. Comment #140959 by babrock on March 9, 2008 at 8:02 am

Damnit
I got up to where I was asked if I wanted it to be running only when I was logged in (which was recomended)or when it I was logged in as well as when I wasnot, or something about w/ another user( t wife, who feels t same as I do on it (talk about t blind leading t blind)).
Now as I donot think that I do anything that uses much RAM or memory or whatever, I can easily imagine it running when I am logged in not being a big problem at all. T problem is that as I understand this so poorly I can also imagine that it could be.
I have crashed or whatever this thing a time or few w/out understanding at all what had happened.
And as I read some people saying that t BOINC could be installed such that it only ran when one wasnot logged in I canot help but be concerned.

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40. Comment #140968 by babrock on March 9, 2008 at 9:13 am

Well there.
I think I turned on everything soas to help out w/ t malaria thing.
So far at no aprecietable cost to me at all, so long as nothing happens.
Thanx again for t link.
I donot think I could have done it otherwise.

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41. Comment #140980 by Geoff on March 9, 2008 at 11:21 am

 avatarSounds good; welcome to the team!

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42. Comment #140991 by RichardPrins on March 9, 2008 at 1:43 pm

 avatarAlso more info and chatter in the following two forum threads:

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34578
http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1881

I'd also recommend using BOINCStats as your account manager. It gives you nice charts and makes joining and managing multiple projects easier.

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43. Comment #142043 by saxquiz on March 11, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Running SETI is pretty much a waste. People should run things that actually add to human knowledge. Personally I run Rosetta.

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44. Comment #142148 by RichardPrins on March 12, 2008 at 4:28 am

 avatarUp to 252 cats in the herd volunteering some processing! ;-)

Up to #471 in the world ranks of teams (out of 71,983) participating!

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45. Comment #142573 by Enlightenme.. on March 12, 2008 at 7:20 pm

 avatar22. Comment #140429 by Geoff on March 7, 2008;


Enlightenme #2 Only Brin's sci-fi, I'm afraid; Haven't read any of his non-fiction. Coincidentally I'm reading "Foundation's Triumph" now! (I always have a fiction and a non-fiction book on the go, depending what mood I'm in).


Hey, just like me, currently reading Lomborg's Skeptical environmentalist and Douglas Adams' Dirk gently.

Anyway, I checked David Brin's website out after watching his nuremburg rally* at the beyond belief Enlightenment 2.0 conference, and took an instant liking to the man!

*A pet theory he has about megalomaniacs getting high on righteous indignation - I s'pose due to an evolutionary drive to imagine yourself taking over the alpha-male slot.

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46. Comment #142582 by Bluff_King_Hal on March 12, 2008 at 7:42 pm

"43. Comment #142043 by saxquiz on March 11, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Running SETI is pretty much a waste. People should run things that actually add to human knowledge. "

I wondered about this. It's an odd thing because up until now, and quite possibly forever, it tells us pretty well nothing. But imagine if it actually found something. Grief, would that add to our knowledge! Imagine yours being the puter that actually found that signal...

A lot of research could be like this. We could use a lot of energy researching fusion power and never get it to work, but if we did we'd never have to worry about energy sources.

Mind you we already have a massive fusion reactor there for nothing, so perhaps we ought to just concentrate on making the best use of that.

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47. Comment #143857 by RichardPrins on March 14, 2008 at 2:11 pm

 avatarA considerably better momentum since this article was posted!

boinc stats last 60 days

Thanks to everyone who decided to join and are still joining daily!

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48. Comment #146326 by RichardPrins on March 19, 2008 at 12:47 am

 avatar289 cats herded and still climbing!

Now 444th out of 72,160 teams worldwide.

If you're a digg user, hit the button above as well!

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49. Comment #148346 by RichardPrins on March 22, 2008 at 5:23 pm

 avatar301 members crunching for science!

Now 431st out of 72,281 worldwide.

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50. Comment #148349 by Steve Zara on March 22, 2008 at 5:30 pm

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301 members crunching for science!


I just wish it would stop jamming up my machine.

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