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I'm from Perth. The heat isn't "relentless". It relents for a few months during winter...3. Comment #145001 by rogerthat on March 17, 2008 at 6:54 am
4. Comment #145009 by Gibster on March 17, 2008 at 7:06 am
This story sounds quite like stories coming from the cult of scientology to me.5. Comment #145010 by Geoff on March 17, 2008 at 7:06 am
6. Comment #145029 by irate_atheist on March 17, 2008 at 7:34 am
7. Comment #145036 by Healyhatman on March 17, 2008 at 7:43 am
I will also be personally boycotting Gloria Jean's - which is okay I usually prefer Starbuck's anyway. Although GJ's DOES have the Voltage drink (coffee, ice, milk, and chunks of coffee beans)...8. Comment #145058 by GBile on March 17, 2008 at 8:07 am
9. Comment #145080 by Partisan on March 17, 2008 at 8:22 am
10. Comment #145115 by Apathy personified on March 17, 2008 at 9:16 am
11. Comment #145189 by ScareCrow on March 17, 2008 at 10:50 am
12. Comment #145232 by 4horsefins on March 17, 2008 at 11:43 am
Organizations like these have flourished for at least 2000 years using the same tactics. Go in search for the most desperate humans, promise free care, for the low low price of your soul, plus 10% before taxes.13. Comment #145237 by liberalartist on March 17, 2008 at 11:47 am
14. Comment #145245 by stephenray on March 17, 2008 at 11:56 am
It's interesting that people who are apparently atheists will use the word 'evil' so freely.15. Comment #145255 by Pattern Seeker on March 17, 2008 at 12:20 pm
16. Comment #145283 by Fiesoduck on March 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm
17. Comment #145322 by Apathy personified on March 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm
18. Comment #145381 by sarah95 on March 17, 2008 at 2:18 pm
"It is difficult to explain, in a logical sense. I know how very wrong the treatment, their program and their approach is, but the wounds are still quite deep, and even though I know that they were wrong, there is still a part of you that just even now wants to be accepted by Mercy."
"They told me that what happens in Mercy stays in Mercy, that what happens between the staff and Naomi stays at Mercy. It is not let out to the family," Julie Johnson said. "We were isolated, we were not involved in her progress at Mercy, we were just excluded and yet we were a family that wanted to be behind her and they wouldn't allow us to be."
"She went into that place as a young lady and came back to us as a child. She was very confused, like she was 12 or 13. She shut herself in the bedroom and thought she was nothing but evil. Her self-esteem went down. She thought, 'I may as well die."'
Before long, Smith began to harm herself in other ways. Again she alerted the staff to her concerns. They reprimanded her for wasting their time, calling her a "fruitcake", she said.
Canham-Wright has asthma, and yet she was prevented from having her ventolin with her at all times, she said.
"Every time I had an asthma attack they told me to stop acting … I was punished, I had to do an assignment about why God believes that lying is wrong.
And yet Mercy continues to operate without the scrutiny of government authorities, under the radar and with impunity.
19. Comment #145420 by secondsoprano on March 17, 2008 at 2:57 pm
This place sounds like a cult. I wonder if they get tax exemption in Australia?
20. Comment #145469 by Hobbit on March 17, 2008 at 4:00 pm
21. Comment #145508 by rod-the-farmer on March 17, 2008 at 4:57 pm
22. Comment #145518 by Bluff_King_Hal on March 17, 2008 at 5:05 pm
It was good to see this as it fomrs the perfecdt counterpoint to an Op-Ed that basically advocated Christian Demonology to superced psychiatry. I've fwded it to the list I saw the latter on. I though the latter might make a good submission here. Anyone able to tell me how to sumbit articles for publication?23. Comment #145539 by Koreman on March 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm
/D'Souze mode on/24. Comment #145560 by oshottan on March 17, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Reading this article made me furious. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but I have been fantasizing about torturing the people who run that hellhole. I hope that they all have horrible lives. Almost as upsetting is the people who will read about this disgusting institution and still support it and come up with lame excuses about how they are just trying to help people and have only love in their hearts.25. Comment #145565 by Barbara on March 17, 2008 at 5:58 pm
26. Comment #145604 by GordonYKWong on March 17, 2008 at 7:19 pm
27. Comment #145605 by rogerthat on March 17, 2008 at 7:19 pm
28. Comment #145617 by dragonfirematrix on March 17, 2008 at 7:44 pm
29. Comment #145621 by secondsoprano on March 17, 2008 at 7:55 pm
RE: 19. Comment #145420 by secondsoprano on March 17, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Crap, I accidentally click on the "offensive" link on your post. Please explain to Josh I did it accidentally. Sorry.
30. Comment #145640 by theantitheist on March 17, 2008 at 8:58 pm
31. Comment #145647 by secondsoprano on March 17, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Thanks for the prompt Leon. I have added my comments to the feedback form on the link you provided, and I encourage others to do the same.32. Comment #145651 by rogerthat on March 17, 2008 at 10:24 pm
33. Comment #145652 by windweaver on March 17, 2008 at 10:57 pm
The 'Gloria Jeans' coffee franchise, founded and run in Australia by Hillsong members Peter Irvine and Nabi Saleh, has reached even higher into the upper echelons of success in Australia, but have found some of the links with Hillsong to be mixed blessings.
In speaking of the success of Gloria Jeans, Peter Irvine boasts:
"We now have over 750 stores across 30 countries… We have won the Franchise Council of Australia's 2005 Franchisor of the Year, the 2006 national Retailer of the Year and the 2006 Emerging Exporter of the Year award."
In 2006 these stores brewed more than 50 million cups of coffee, and the number of Gloria Jeans stores in Australia is now more than 400. It is without doubt a remarkably successful business.
And yet this silver lining has a dark cloud attached through its links to Mercy Ministries, a charity launched by Hillsong worship leader Darlene Zschech and whose Executive Director is Gloria Jeans' Peter Irvine.
Last month employees of Borders Bookstores, in which Gloria Jeans coffee outlets are located, expressed concern that they were required to promote Mercy Ministries in October's 'Cuppacino for a Cause' day.
Employee concern centred around the perceived anti-abortion and anti-gay stance of Mercy Ministries, a Christian charity who aims to support young women facing difficulties. According to Crikey, the Mercy Ministries website suggests that young women with unplanned pregnancies are not given the option of abortion by the organisation.
More bluntly Tanya Levin, former Hillsong member and author of 'People in Glass Houses: An insider's story of a life in & out of Hillsong,' claims that Mercy Ministries is "completely anti-gay and completely pro-life. That's why it was established."
The debate over abortion and homosexuality is usually played out through the medium of mainstream politics. Through Gloria Jeans and Mercy Ministries, however, we see the cultural politics of Hillsong played out in a wider economic and cultural realm.
34. Comment #145654 by theantitheist on March 17, 2008 at 11:16 pm
35. Comment #145656 by windweaver on March 17, 2008 at 11:28 pm
36. Comment #145664 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 12:17 am
Dear Leon
Thank you for taking the time to contact us. We are deeply concerned with the recent media coverage related to our sponsorship of Mercy Ministries and association with the Hillsong Church and feel it is not reflective of what our business is all about.
Gloria Jean's Coffees is a company built on family and community values with the vision: "To be the most loved and respected coffee company in the World."
Our responsibility is to our Franchise Partners and our guests.
We are not religiously affiliated, or affiliated to any other beliefs or preferences. We are non-discriminatory and accept staff, franchise partners and guests from all walks of life.
We believe as a truly responsible corporate citizen, that we should have a positive impact on the communities from were we source our coffee and the communities we serve. Our values include: "Belief in people, building and changing lives".
Our sponsorship of many international and local charities including Mercy Ministries is based on giving back to the communities who have helped us become the brand we are today, there are no hidden agendas.
We assessed Mercy Ministries along with many other potential charity partners several years ago now and found that their work transforming the lives of young women in crisis was a good fit with our vision, mission and values.
Our corporate donations amount to approximately $150,000 â€" $170,000 per annum plus the donations made by the public through the money boxes in stores.
Since then we have seen many young women's lives transformed for the better. We have regularly visited Mercy Ministries homes to meet with the residents.
All our Franchise Partners in Australia have the opportunity to do this as well as all our Master Franchise Partners from the 29 other countries in which we serve coffee. We have several Mercy Ministries graduates working in and making a positive contribution to Gloria Jean's Coffees both in our stores and support office.
We have been in direct discussion with Mercy Ministries and we will be working with them to understand what elements of their program could have given rise to these very concerning claims. We would encourage any member of the public that is concerned to review their response to these allegations on their website at www.mercyministries.com.au
Many of the issues facing these young women are not easily fixed. While the vast majority of young women succeed in the program, there are those few for which this program is not the answer. Clearly they have the right to give their views.
We believe this however should not outweigh the positive impact Mercy Ministries has had on the lives of many young women. By removing our sponsorship without due diligence, we would be removing our support for the many young women dealing with eating disorders, unplanned pregnancies, abuse and other life controlling issues that are in desperate need for help to turn their lives around.
We have no relationship with the Hillsong Church. Gloria Jean's Coffees is an Australian-owned private company and there are no financial or legal ties between Gloria Jean's Coffees and Hillsong Church. This remains unchanged.
The religious affiliation of our management, staff, Franchise Partners, charity partners has absolutely no relevance to how we operate our company. Our responsibility is to our Franchise Partners, our guests and the quality of our coffee.
Thank you for your concern, we really do take your thoughts & feelings to heart in trying to ensure we serve you in the best way possible and in our journey to become the most loved & respected coffee house worldwide.
Yours faithfully,
Dianne Baise Guest Relations Officer
Gloria Jean's Coffees
37. Comment #145673 by flibble on March 18, 2008 at 1:23 am
Hmmm, there's a Gloria Jeans recently opened up over the road from my office (in Nottingham, UK). I haven't been in yet because I'm not much of a consumer of "trendy coffee" - I much prefer a good strong cup of tea - I am English after all ;)38. Comment #145707 by vijikumar on March 18, 2008 at 2:59 am
Leon39. Comment #145718 by rogerthat on March 18, 2008 at 3:28 am
40. Comment #145735 by theantitheist on March 18, 2008 at 4:09 am
41. Comment #145741 by lievemebe on March 18, 2008 at 4:27 am
Beware Australia. I have heard the prime minister of Australia say on radio that he favours religious groups having a bigger voice in parliament by way of moral advice.42. Comment #145747 by vijikumar on March 18, 2008 at 4:43 am
E-mail reply from the training director GJ UK to say:we are not on the Board at Mercy and are sponsors of Mercy Ministries as part of our National Franchise Agreement.
I am waiting for a reply from Australia regarding this article and will reply to you as soon as I have received this
43. Comment #145771 by irate_atheist on March 18, 2008 at 6:05 am
Beware Australia. I have heard the prime minister of Australia say on radio that he favours religious groups having a bigger voice in parliament by way of moral advice.Indeed. And if this is true, he is a first class fucktard. Remember folks - you read it here first.
44. Comment #145786 by rogerthat on March 18, 2008 at 6:27 am
45. Comment #145788 by rogerthat on March 18, 2008 at 6:29 am
46. Comment #145790 by Rover on March 18, 2008 at 6:30 am
Oh my GOD!47. Comment #145793 by Rover on March 18, 2008 at 6:32 am
The Australian Medical Association has also condemned them, and the Federal Minister for Human Services, Joe Ludwig, has asked Centrelink (Australian social security agency) to investigate the allegations and report on its pay arrangements with Mercy Ministries.48. Comment #145799 by black wolf on March 18, 2008 at 6:41 am
49. Comment #145822 by Incredulous on March 18, 2008 at 7:22 am
Religion has always touted itself as the experts on the mind. There are far too many examples of this and other abuses of vulnerable people for this assertion to be taken at all seriously.50. Comment #145864 by rogerthat on March 18, 2008 at 8:43 am
Every time something like this comes up, I wonder why companies still support any group that claims to help people by applying religion.
1. Comment #144995 by bugaboo on March 17, 2008 at 6:43 am
The dark ages.Other Comments by bugaboo