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Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue
by Christian Post
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Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue
By Eric Young
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called for a dialogue among monotheistic religions Monday, marking a first for the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom.
"I ask representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith," Abdullah told delegates to a seminar on "Dialogue Among Civilizations between Japan and the Islamic World," according to the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA).
"If God wills it, we will then meet with our brothers from other religions, including those of the Torah and the Gospel... to come up with ways to safeguard humanity," he added.
Abdullah said the country's top clerics have given him approval to pursue his idea and that he plans to get the opinion of Muslim leaders from other countries.
According to SPA, the Saudi king also intends to address the United Nations on the subject.
"We have lost sincerity, morals, fidelity and attachment to our religions and to humanity," Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world – a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish."
Abdullah's message of tolerance comes at a time of religious tensions caused by the re-igniting of a two-year-old controversy over Danish cartoons deemed by Muslims to be insulting.
Danish newspapers reprinted the controversial cartoon of the Muslim prophet Mohammed last month in defiance of Islamic extremism and to defend freedom of expression.
The republication of the cartoon in at least 17 newspapers took place a day after a Danish official foiled an alleged plot to assassinate Kurt Westergaard, the cartoonist who drew the Mohammed caricatures.
In response, Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, in a recent audio message, warned of a "severe" reaction for Europe's publication of the cartoons.
"The response will be what you see and not what you hear and let our mothers bereave us if we do not make victorious our messenger of God," said a voice believed to be bin Laden's, without specifying what action would be taken.
Abdullah's announcement Monday also comes as the Vatican is in the process of negotiating for permission to build the first church in Saudi Arabia following this month's inauguration of Qatar's first Christian church.
The Saudi monarchy has long banned the open worship of other faiths, even as the number of Catholics resident in Saudi Arabia has risen to 800,000 thanks to an influx of immigrant workers from places like the Philippines and India. Mosques are the only religious buildings in the country where the strict Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam dominates.
Top Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that a Catholic parish in this key Islamic country would be "a historic achievement" in the push to expand religious freedom and foster a positive interfaith rapport, according to Time magazine.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080325/31665_Saudi_Arabia_Leader_Calls_for_Interfaith_Dialogue.htm
Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue
By Eric Young
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called for a dialogue among monotheistic religions Monday, marking a first for the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom.
"I ask representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith," Abdullah told delegates to a seminar on "Dialogue Among Civilizations between Japan and the Islamic World," according to the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA).
"If God wills it, we will then meet with our brothers from other religions, including those of the Torah and the Gospel... to come up with ways to safeguard humanity," he added.
Abdullah said the country's top clerics have given him approval to pursue his idea and that he plans to get the opinion of Muslim leaders from other countries.
According to SPA, the Saudi king also intends to address the United Nations on the subject.
"We have lost sincerity, morals, fidelity and attachment to our religions and to humanity," Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world – a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish."
Abdullah's message of tolerance comes at a time of religious tensions caused by the re-igniting of a two-year-old controversy over Danish cartoons deemed by Muslims to be insulting.
Danish newspapers reprinted the controversial cartoon of the Muslim prophet Mohammed last month in defiance of Islamic extremism and to defend freedom of expression.
The republication of the cartoon in at least 17 newspapers took place a day after a Danish official foiled an alleged plot to assassinate Kurt Westergaard, the cartoonist who drew the Mohammed caricatures.
In response, Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, in a recent audio message, warned of a "severe" reaction for Europe's publication of the cartoons.
"The response will be what you see and not what you hear and let our mothers bereave us if we do not make victorious our messenger of God," said a voice believed to be bin Laden's, without specifying what action would be taken.
Abdullah's announcement Monday also comes as the Vatican is in the process of negotiating for permission to build the first church in Saudi Arabia following this month's inauguration of Qatar's first Christian church.
The Saudi monarchy has long banned the open worship of other faiths, even as the number of Catholics resident in Saudi Arabia has risen to 800,000 thanks to an influx of immigrant workers from places like the Philippines and India. Mosques are the only religious buildings in the country where the strict Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam dominates.
Top Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that a Catholic parish in this key Islamic country would be "a historic achievement" in the push to expand religious freedom and foster a positive interfaith rapport, according to Time magazine.
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"the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world â€" a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish."
What other prove do we need that religion is not about believing in a god and passing on his message and is about control and lack of free thought than someone saying belief in any god is better than atheism!!!
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3. Comment #149889 by PrimeNumbers on March 26, 2008 at 10:17 am
"deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world â€" a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish." "So much for the religion of peace.
Religion has tried to confront us - and they keep losing. Why? Because they lie, they cheat, and they're just plain wrong. Man's moral sense is so much better than their awful gods'.
Man does not think eternal torment is a good thing. God does.
Man does not believe in killing children. God does.
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4. Comment #149896 by BrianL on March 26, 2008 at 10:20 am
If this is considered a "message of tolerance", whoever wrote this has a pretty screwed up view of what tolerance is. The message purposely excludes atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc. If they're going to call it tolerance, it has to be tolerant of everyone. Even nut-job white supremacists are tolerant of some people. Not to mention that they want to "confront and vanquish" atheism... not exactly the most tolerant language!Other Comments by BrianL
5. Comment #149899 by al-rawandi on March 26, 2008 at 10:22 am
Saudi Arabia,
The country that imprisons women for witchcraft.
I mean fucking seriously, witchcraft? You have to be fucking joking.
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6. Comment #149901 by irate_atheist on March 26, 2008 at 10:23 am
Without oil, the king would be another ignorant camel herder wandering in the wilderness. Other Comments by irate_atheist
7. Comment #149908 by Quetzalcoatl on March 26, 2008 at 10:26 am
BrianL-
the article's from the Christian Post: hardly a beacon of tolerance for atheism and secularists.
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8. Comment #149915 by Fedler on March 26, 2008 at 10:28 am
The very first post on this thread highlights the most despicable part of this story. So they want all the monotheisms together at a meeting? Great. Whooppee. Big deal. Although they can't tolerate dissenting viewpoints, except when that other viewpoint is also another religion. So, the moral of the story...you must believe in some sort of god, or else. Apparently if you dissent and don't believe in a god, you're not even worth talking to. Such tolerance, indeed! Other Comments by Fedler
9. Comment #149920 by DamnDirtyApe on March 26, 2008 at 10:32 am
'Among monotheistic religions' He said. So the Hindus can go f*ck themselves too basically. Other Comments by DamnDirtyApe
10. Comment #149922 by DamnDirtyApe on March 26, 2008 at 10:34 am
Also Reminds me of something in history. Queen Elizabeth the first tried to curry support from the Islamic world during the war with spain and france 'as a fellow monotheist'. Didn't work. Fortunately, military strategy works much better than faith. Other Comments by DamnDirtyApe
11. Comment #149927 by Eamonn Shute on March 26, 2008 at 10:37 am
It looks like the Vatican has a lot to learn about diplomacy:-"A Muslim scholar who participated in recent Vatican talks to improve Catholic-Muslim relations criticized Pope Benedict XVI's Easter baptism of a prominent convert from Islam as a "provocative" act.
Magdi Allam, an Egyptian-born TV and newspaper commentator who has denounced Islam as inherently violently, was baptized by the pope in a vigil service Saturday night in St. Peter's Basilica."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jmjHmHDjMG4Qhj3beZWc-IXP2bOQD8VKJV683
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12. Comment #149940 by JemyM on March 26, 2008 at 10:47 am
Exclusivism, the most devastating doctrine known to man. Other Comments by JemyM
13. Comment #149941 by al-rawandi on March 26, 2008 at 10:48 am
Ape,
Hindus can certainly go fuck themselves.
The nastiest bits of the Qur'an and Hadith are reserved for polytheists. There is to be no quarter given, they are to be slaughtered without mercy, unless there is a treaty, which is only temporary while the Muslims ready themselves to continue the slaughter.
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14. Comment #149942 by DamnDirtyApe on March 26, 2008 at 10:49 am
Lovely. Other Comments by DamnDirtyApe
15. Comment #149953 by sidfaiwu on March 26, 2008 at 11:00 am
The nastiest bits of the Qur'an and Hadith are reserved for polytheists.
I wonder what they'd say to someone who worshiped Yahweh, Jesus, Allah as separate Gods. Would they welcome another believer into their club or would they exclude (or worse) the believer as a polytheist?
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16. Comment #149960 by liberalartist on March 26, 2008 at 11:10 am
I find it funny that these religions are willing to work together to rid themselves of their biggest problem (atheists). Then they can get back to destroying each other.
As for Bin Lauden - he and his religion can go F#@# themselves!
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17. Comment #149972 by DamnDirtyApe on March 26, 2008 at 11:20 am
This also reminds me of a quote a friend directed me to once:
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. -- Hermann Goering
Does anyone sense a parallel here? I do, and it is truely frightening.
[edit]*cheers for the typo pointer...[/edit]
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18. Comment #149975 by b0ltzm0n on March 26, 2008 at 11:24 am
"I ask representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith," Abdullah told delegates to a seminar on "Dialogue Among Civilizations between Japan and the Islamic World," according to the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA).
Funny, isn't Japan's primary religion a polytheism called Shinto?
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19. Comment #149981 by clodhopper on March 26, 2008 at 11:31 am
Irate: G'won...er, you know? Please.... Other Comments by clodhopper
20. Comment #149982 by rod-the-farmer on March 26, 2008 at 11:31 am
The King, who pointedly invited only monotheistic religious representatives, is quoted as ...deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world �" a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish."
Ahhh. Atheism goes together with the disintegration of the family. And the proof for this is...? Of course, he MAY be referring to the custom in some religions, of ostracising any family member who leaves the faith. But then, maybe he WAS referring to literal disintegration, like the call to kill a muslim who renounces the faith. What would they do to a muslim who renounced his faith just before being beheaded for a civil crime ? How much further disintegration can they perform ?
I wonder does the King have the moxie to persuade all muslims world-wide that this particular apostasy tenet of islam is deeply offensive to most (all ?) other faiths, let alone to those with no faith. I wonder if he would be so bold as to exclude entry to Saudi Arabia to those who advocate suicide bombing, etc. Those people could pray to Mecca, but just could not visit.
And the Vatican spokesman who wishes to
foster a positive interfaith rapport
funny they never seem to offer an open mind to those with no faith, who just want to be left alone. Each of the Abrahamic religions always want more converts, and actively seek them out. We atheists DON'T have a dogma for others to adopt, unless you count common sense.
And what is the bit about omitting the religions with more than one dog ? Wait, I have it. Five gods, very bad. Three gods, bad. Two gods, not nice. One god, better. No gods, best.
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21. Comment #149984 by black wolf on March 26, 2008 at 11:33 am
Hmmmm... a few years ago, theists ridiculed Dawkins (and decades of atheist writings before that), then they became annoyed and then angry when they saw the rise in atheism. Now they are afraid already. Thanks DDA for that Göring quote, I just hope that's not the way they're heading. I have a little mind-film where a troop of priests and imams backed by police raid the RDF, confiscate the letter A buttons and then order all atheists to wear them in public...
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22. Comment #149988 by al-rawandi on March 26, 2008 at 11:34 am
Ape,
Hermann Goering is the spelling.
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23. Comment #149991 by The author on March 26, 2008 at 11:37 am
Oh my... Well, something. Merlin's Pants!The world religions are uniting to kill us.
That's "religious tolerance", see, see...
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24. Comment #150000 by liberalartist on March 26, 2008 at 11:45 am
DamnDirtyApe, I think your quote is appropriate for a lot of people in this world. The Western religions are manipulators and have had centuries to refine their techniques.
Rod-the-Farmer, actually I think 'one god' is the worst. It seems to allow fanaticism to take hold in people. I guess with multiple gods, it's just too easy to drop one god for another, but if you have only one "true" god, then you have nowhere to go but give "him" up or die trying to convert others. So many people have begun to give "him" up that these religions have to work together to combat it! I guess the enemy of their enemy is us.
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25. Comment #150006 by al-rawandi on March 26, 2008 at 11:49 am
Rod the Farmer,
Actually in Islam, they don't ostracize the person who leaves the faith, they are supposed to kill this person. Apostasy carries a death sentence.
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26. Comment #150007 by decius on March 26, 2008 at 11:51 am
This jackass is so rich that if he sets his mind on damaging the atheists, and starts pouring resources into it, he can do great harm indeed. Furthermore, his words can be interpreted as an open invitation to violence by Sunni fundamentalists. Other Comments by decius
27. Comment #150052 by Spinoza on March 26, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Does everyone see why Spinoza (and Hobbes) vehemently denied being atheists, and why in their great works they utilized the word "God"?Perhaps atheists should pipe up and simply say that they DO believe in one God, but that God is the infinite natural universe (Spinoza's use of the term "Deus").
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28. Comment #150054 by rod-the-farmer on March 26, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I hoped my post was clear, that I do understand the penalty proscribed for muslim apostates - death. And that apostasy in other cults, like mormonism, is ostracism. There is, in my experience, even a little of the latter that is residual in certain roman catholics. I have no experience re apostasy with other cults, like the lds, amish, or southern baptists, for example.Some months ago I sold a car I had owned for years. The person who purchased it, possibly a muslim, came to pick it up and brought several young children. One of them was a girl of perhaps seven. She wore a headscarf. I was uncomfortable seeing her, and only after the deal was done did I consider that I might have refused to sell him the car, based on his treatment of his daughter.
Comments please. I was thinking at the time that I perhaps should have "stood up/come out" and made it clear I thought it was reprehensible to force his child into a faith before she was even mature enough to understand what he had signed her up for.
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29. Comment #150061 by DamnDirtyApe on March 26, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Speaking of that stuff al, I'd love to hear Ayaan's take on this... Other Comments by DamnDirtyApe
30. Comment #150064 by sidfaiwu on March 26, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Hello Spinoza,Does everyone see why Spinoza (and Hobbes) vehemently denied being atheists, and why in their great works they utilized the word "God"?
Perhaps atheists should pipe up and simply say that they DO believe in one God, but that God is the infinite natural universe (Spinoza's use of the term "Deus").
I sincerely hope that atheists never have to do that again. It would be the surest evidence that The Enlightenment has failed. No on should fear violence for proclaiming their atheism or other thoughts for that matter.
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31. Comment #150073 by bugaboo on March 26, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Rod The farmer. If it had been a vice versa transaction i suspect you may not have been sold the car- if he knew were an athiest. However i dont think you should behave as he would. Treat him as a human being. If you start denigrating religious people in the street you may be percieved as a raving loony. Does the cause no good. What do you think?Other Comments by bugaboo
32. Comment #150075 by robotaholic on March 26, 2008 at 12:41 pm
a meeting of the worlds most deluded...hmm - a treki convention would be more productive...lol
Spinoza, I don't don't think worshiping anything is good. I don't worship the earth or the solar system or even the universe. Therefore I would have to say I don't believe in even the god of Spinoza.
Why not ditch the god concept altogether?
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33. Comment #150076 by Logicel on March 26, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family...______
Here, let me translate that into English: deploring the disintegration of cruel, crushingly mindless, power-obsessed Patriarchy.
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34. Comment #150077 by Prankster on March 26, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Hey!Leave the Trekkies alone-they are harmless (well mostly-apart from the ones who have learned to speak Klingon-they're are the real nutters)
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35. Comment #150081 by robotaholic on March 26, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I'm sorry Prankster - You're right- I shouldn't have compared the two- :) Other Comments by robotaholic
36. Comment #150082 by bitbutter on March 26, 2008 at 12:47 pm
rod-the-farmerComments please. I was thinking at the time that I perhaps should have "stood up/come out" and made it clear I thought it was reprehensible to force his child into a faith before she was even mature enough to understand what he had signed her up for.
bugaboo
Treat him as a human being
Bugaboo, treating him as a human being, responsible for his actions, is exactly what i think rob was considering.
In our interactions with others we have the opportunity to signal our approval, or disapproval of the actions of those others. Doing so is how we can cast our 'vote' and in some small way influence the direction in which the moral zeitgeist shifts.
Rob: i completely understand your decision not to say something however. I wouldn't dare to do so in a similar situation (i live in a muslim neighbourhood, and would worry about reprisals).
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37. Comment #150084 by b0ltzm0n on March 26, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Leave the Trekkies alone-they are harmless (well mostly-apart from the ones who have learned to speak Klingon-they're are the real nutters)
Hab SoSlI' Quch!
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38. Comment #150091 by the_ultimate_samurai on March 26, 2008 at 12:56 pm
"I ask representatives of all the monotheistic religions to meet with their brothers in faith," Abdullah told delegates to a seminar on "Dialogue Among Civilizations between Japan and the Islamic World," according to the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA).
am i the only one who found this ironic?
japan? JAPAN? monotheistic? shinto? the religion that takes polytheism to the absurd. (seriously...they have an INFINITE number of gods...litteraly a god for everything that exists.) the majority of all japanese are shinto (usualy shinto/budhists since budhism has no qualms with dual classing, same for shinto...so you can be both) christian population in japan is less than 1%, japan has NO monotheistic religions, least none of any high population, on top of that in terms of importance of religion, japan was one of the least faithful of any country (according to pew data, japan had 12% who believed religion to be very important...us has 59)
so the fact that saudi arabia knows nothing about their target audience is laughable, you think they would at least know they ARENT monotheistic.
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39. Comment #150093 by decius on March 26, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Spinoza, I must disagree most vehemently with your cowardly suggestion. Appeasing the forces which want to drag us back to the Middle Ages to the point of pretending to be someone else and even joining them?You can't be serious, and if you are, I despise your forma mentis, sorry.
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40. Comment #150102 by bugaboo on March 26, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Comment #150082 by bitbutterYes. i meant treat him like any other regular guy(which he did) Out of common courtesy and decency and not fear of reprisals.
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41. Comment #150106 by padster1976 on March 26, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I like the fact that christian post refer to and quote Bin Laden as if he is a worthy source of information - not the evil master mind after all then?September when? Nine what?
'Vanquish' atheism = tolerance.
Explain that unprovable beliefs is no grounding for telling people what to do = you're a nazi!
Really, these people seem to live in another world.
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42. Comment #150107 by Prankster on March 26, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Comment 150084 by b0ltzm0nNot sure what that means or how it sounds however no offense intended *gulp*
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43. Comment #150115 by sidfaiwu on March 26, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Spinoza, I must disagree most vehemently with your cowardly suggestion. Appeasing the forces which want to drag us back to the Middle Ages to the point of pretending to be someone else and even joining them?
So your advice for atheists living under Islamic regimes would be 'speak up and die' because that's the brave thing to do? Furthermore, you'd despise them if they didn't? Personally, I can't fault anyone for wanting to hide their beliefs to stay alive.
EDIT: As decius points out in Comment #150169, the above is a straw man. I agree, apologize and retract the statement. /EDIT
I believe that Spinoza's point was that atheists may have to lie as they did in centuries past if the people attending this meeting have their way. I don't think he was suggesting it as a tactic given the current state of affairs in the free world. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong, Spinoza.) Let's make sure these religionists don't get their way.
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44. Comment #150122 by b0ltzm0n on March 26, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Not sure what that means or how it sounds however no offense intended *gulp*
It means, "Your mother has a smooth forehead".
Use the phrase if you want to commit "suicide by klingon".
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45. Comment #150127 by decius on March 26, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Nice straw man, sidfaiwu. I won't waste my time in addressing it. Other Comments by decius
46. Comment #150139 by sidfaiwu on March 26, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Nice straw man, sidfaiwu. I won't waste my time in addressing it.
Ah, it's good to know that I'm beneath your consideration, decius. But if I did set up a straw man, I'd certainly like to know about it. I don't appreciate being denied the opportunity to clarify (or even retract) my statement based on rational argument. Would someone with either some common courtesy or a little humility please point it out my mistake to me? Thanks.
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47. Comment #150150 by Klaatu barada nikto on March 26, 2008 at 1:50 pm
b0ltzm0n yIchId tlhInganpu' tu'lu'be' 'e' luSov SenwI' rIlwI' je
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48. Comment #150155 by sarah95 on March 26, 2008 at 1:52 pm
"We have lost sincerity, morals, fidelity and attachment to our religions and to humanity," Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world â€" a frightening phenomenon that all religions must confront and vanquish."
Abdullah's message of tolerance comes at a time of religious tensions caused by the re-igniting of a two-year-old controversy over Danish cartoons deemed by Muslims to be insulting....
The Saudi monarchy has long banned the open worship of other faiths,
Yeah, their message of "tolerance" is so well-reflected in their hate for atheists, women, and every other faith in the world.
Complete BS.
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49. Comment #150158 by notsobad on March 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm
How about a nofaith dialogue? Reason and tolerance for a change? Other Comments by notsobad
50. Comment #150165 by Opisthokont on March 26, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I was going to complain about how "deploring ... 'the rise of atheism'" is a "message of tolerance", but then I noticed the source. The Christian Post is not likely to be a bastion of rationality when it comes to atheism, a point that is proven here!Other Comments by Opisthokont
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1. Comment #149884 by sidfaiwu on March 26, 2008 at 10:15 am
WHAT?!? How is openly declaring that you want to eliminate a dissenting viewpoint from the face of the Earth considered a message of tolerance?!?
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