1. Comment #170662 by Layla Nasreddin on April 27, 2008 at 9:58 pm

I think I'm going to vomit now. I swear I felt my IQ drop several points just from listening to Stein's remarks.

(Here's another vomit-worthy link, by the way: http://powercut.blogspot.com/2007/09/richard-dawkins-diary-entry.html I stumbled on it by accident and can't think of a thing to say, it's so vile.)

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2. Comment #170664 by OverUsedChewToy on April 27, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Good thing Thunderf00t finally got a feature-his vids are top-notch

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3. Comment #170674 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 10:07 pm

Ben Stein is scum!

What a hideous man

EDIT: I've gotten 1 minute in

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4. Comment #170681 by The Truth, the light on April 27, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Stein's hypocrisy shows no bounds.

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5. Comment #170683 by mordacious1 on April 27, 2008 at 10:13 pm

OK OK this guy is obviously WAY out there. The scary thing is that the creationists are eating this stuff up. Fortunately I don't think the majority of non-fundies will ever see it.

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6. Comment #170686 by DavidJGrossman on April 27, 2008 at 10:14 pm

I still suspect that Ben Stein is suffering from some kind of mental illness. Or, perhaps he had a stroke. A frontal lobotomy wouldn't be out of the question.

Ben, you're a sick sick man.

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7. Comment #170700 by mordacious1 on April 27, 2008 at 10:29 pm

If Stein wants to know what kind of response his piece of crap is getting he should visit this site. Can he really be this ridiculously pathetic or is he just making an easy buck off the ignorant religious turds?

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8. Comment #170703 by MaxD on April 27, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Ugh. This is annoying. If that is the kind of logic and reasoning skill produced at Yale I am unimpresssed.

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9. Comment #170704 by room101 on April 27, 2008 at 10:35 pm

OverUsedChewToy:

Good thing Thunderf00t finally got a feature-his vids are top-notch

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree! I encourage everyone to check out Thunderf00t's collection of videos on youtube. They are without a doubt some of the best amateur and scientifically literate videos that debunk creation science and all of its' lunatic drivel and assertions.

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10. Comment #170705 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 10:36 pm

I'm a little surprised, that given the number of comments at the movie blog site thing, and that the lying thread was linked from there, that there have been so few drive by's.
Perhaps I missed the worst of it.

Oh yeah, Stein and the host as...well I want to say it, but I've heard it's only given to irate_atheist and The Reverend Dark.

"Deluded fools who revel in their ignorance" will have to do

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11. Comment #170706 by DarwinsPitbull on April 27, 2008 at 10:37 pm

I don't think Stein is really nuts, or at least not 100% nuts. He is playing to the crowd that will go and watch this movie. You don't think that all the religious people who deny evolution weren't applauding when he said all those ridiculous things in that interview. So he knows he's not going to convince any rational, intelligent person on his views so he's targeting a specific audience with his rhetoric and they will most likely go and watch his film because of it. If thats not why he's doing it, then he is a complete nutjob and should be put in a asylum.

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12. Comment #170708 by mordacious1 on April 27, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Ben Stein and GW Bush, both Yale grads. I won't be sending my kids there.

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13. Comment #170718 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 10:46 pm

mordacious1: Ben Stein and GW Bush, both Yale grads. I won't be sending my kids there.

Nah, the school is probably fine.
You're kids aren't mentally ill are they? Because that could cause problems :-)

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14. Comment #170721 by MaxD on April 27, 2008 at 10:52 pm

I was thinking that what really kills people dead is reactionary, short term gain politics both foreign and domestically applied. It is certainly a kind of politics endorsed by Stein.

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15. Comment #170722 by Geodesic17 on April 27, 2008 at 10:52 pm

I remember when Jimmy Kimmel and Ben Stein would visit Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam Corrola. I wonder what Dr. Drew thinks of Stein now.

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16. Comment #170725 by room101 on April 27, 2008 at 10:58 pm

mordacious1:

Can he really be this ridiculously pathetic or is he just making an easy buck off the ignorant religious turds?

I wonder this myself. After listening to Mark Mathis' evisceration at the hands of the Sci. Amer. editors I wondered how someone so ignorant and duplicitous could believe what he was actually saying. Then I realized: he most likely doesn't. He's just trying to sell his product, is all.

I could picture Mathis at the end of that interview removing his headset, looking at John Rennie and the other editors and saying: "Look guys, I don't really believe Stein's crap. I'm just trying to make a buck, you know???"

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17. Comment #170726 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 10:59 pm

Just finished watching it.
The stupid...it burns!

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18. Comment #170727 by History_Junky on April 27, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Ben Steins intelligence is proven through his incredibly inaccurate doomsday scenario. Why the hell would China fire upon its own administered area and why the heck would China fire a nuke so close to its shores? The last time I checked Iran and Saudi Arabia were trying to patch things up, maybe Stein was afraid of talking about a possible nuclear holocaust descending upon Israel.

Also did anyone get the bit where he said science gives the notion that man is nothing more then mud and dirt hit by lightning? Sounds awfully similar to the bible story of adam and his creation. Poor saps getting his own fantasies mixed up with his horrible bigoted rantings.

Thanks for showing us how big of a douche you have to be in order for one to qualify as a creationist Mr Stein. Well played.

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19. Comment #170728 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 11:08 pm

MaxD: I was thinking that what really kills people dead is reactionary, short term gain politics both foreign and domestically applied. It is certainly a kind of politics endorsed by Stein.

I'm taking a stab in the dark, but i'd say those same policies get people wealth and power.
As Stein is not likely to ever serve, I wonder where he'd fit into that?

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20. Comment #170730 by stevencarrwork on April 27, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Why is Stein worried that American cannot respond to 3 wars at once?

What is so difficult about praying for 3 places at once, rather than praying for just 1?

Or does Stein turn atheist as soon as he wants something done, and knows damn well that there is no god who is going to do it?

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21. Comment #170731 by Dr Benway on April 27, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Science won WWII for the allies - Enigma, radar, sonar, jet flight, etc. Science defeated the Nazis. Science liberated the Jews from the camps.

MPhil, how do the Germans feel about Ben Stein wandering around holocaust memorials with a film crew for this bit of propaganda?

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22. Comment #170732 by rod-the-farmer on April 27, 2008 at 11:15 pm

The poll on the web site

http://www.myspace.com/expelledthemovement

shows that as of 0200, 28th April 2008, approx. 428,000 people have voted, of which 97.7 % were opposed to the statement that

Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system ?

but Stein says the movie is getting breathtaking reception.

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23. Comment #170733 by Diacanu on April 27, 2008 at 11:15 pm

DarwinsPitbill-

He is playing to the crowd that will go and watch this movie.

The same crowd most likely to get flag waved and fear mongered into shipping their sons off to all those lovely wars his buddies have planned.

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24. Comment #170734 by Dr Benway on April 27, 2008 at 11:16 pm

What's interesting about Stein's bomb scenario is who doesn't get nuked by Iran. Hmmm.

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25. Comment #170736 by MaxD on April 27, 2008 at 11:18 pm

Stein is the goofy machivellian kind political mind that likes to play at morality, but I notice how narrow his sympathies always seem to be. Where was Ben Stein on Darfur, Uganda, Somalia once that mess landed in Clinton's lap? Where was Stein on Bosnia? I am just going to bet it wasn't likely you'd hear him espousing any kind human rights based military action. I could be wrong but I just did a quick google search and found nothing on it.
He just likes playing big super power politics. Screw him

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26. Comment #170737 by huzonfurst on April 27, 2008 at 11:19 pm

Holy Christ, this guy is far worse than I imagined! How is such slanderous, flat-out lying even legal - it's as bad as talk radio, the right-wing flamefests that complain about "liberal media" as they predominate in it.

There's a temporary antidote out there, though: Martin Scorsese's concert film of the Rolling Stones in I-Max, called "Shine A Light." These guys may look dead but they're the liveliest corpses you'll ever see!

Thank God for "Sympathy for the Devil!"

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27. Comment #170738 by riandouglas on April 27, 2008 at 11:35 pm

History_Junk: Also did anyone get the bit where he said science gives the notion that man is nothing more then mud and dirt hit by lightning? Sounds awfully similar to the bible story of adam and his creation. Poor saps getting his own fantasies mixed up with his horrible bigoted rantings.

But with Genesis you get a magical ingredient - Yahweh spit. What, you thought it was his breath that gave life. Not a chance.

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28. Comment #170741 by EvidenceOnly on April 27, 2008 at 11:40 pm

The true meaning of the title: "EXPELLED, NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED" just became crystal clear to me:

1. EXPELLED is the nonsense of anything not based on scientific evidence at any University worthy of such a name.

2. NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED is the target audience of their movie.

3. SCIENCE is the arch enemy of IDiots and Creationists. When people use their brain they would not fall for their biblical nonsense.

4. KILLING is what Ben Stein wants to see more of and at a much larger scale than the killings he accuses Darwin of doing during the Holocaust.

This man belongs in a mental institution.

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29. Comment #170742 by Quine on April 27, 2008 at 11:40 pm

I think I need to listen to some Vogon poetry to recover from that.

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30. Comment #170749 by Roland_F on April 27, 2008 at 11:59 pm

28. Comment #170741 by EvidenceOnly

KILLING is what Ben Stein wants to see more of and at a much larger scale than the killings he accuses Darwin of doing during the Holocaust.

This man belongs in a mental institution.

There are Republicans from the Bible belt who want to bomb Mecca.
And last weekend I read that Hillary Clinton in some election campaign speech promised to erase Iran and all it's inhabitants (more than 70 million) from the map if they would attack Israel ( a nation with one of the biggest nuke arsenals worldwide and means to deliver them themselves).

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31. Comment #170751 by riki on April 28, 2008 at 12:06 am

I almost feel sorry for the creationists. At least they can still appreciate science for the Nukes. Let's put a stop to this horrible thing called medicine though.

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32. Comment #170755 by riandouglas on April 28, 2008 at 12:30 am

riki: I almost feel sorry for the creationists. At least they can still appreciate science for the Nukes. Let's put a stop to this horrible thing called medicine though.

Perhaps if we pointed out that the theory of evolution has direct links to creating advanced bio weapons. Think that would get them enthused?

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33. Comment #170756 by Skeptic Pete on April 28, 2008 at 12:38 am

The poll on the web site

http://www.myspace.com/expelledthemovement

shows that as of 0200, 28th April 2008, approx. 428,000 people have voted, of which 97.7 % were opposed to the statement that

Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system ?
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Have they removed the poll? I can't get it to load.

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34. Comment #170757 by PJG on April 28, 2008 at 12:38 am

Thunderf00t's videos are wonderful.

What is so depressing though is that they seem to be getting progressively "darker" as time goes on.

The insane rantings of VenomFangX, analysed and shown to be nonsense, fit very well with the question "Why do people laugh at creationists?" and his following statement, "Only creationists don't understand why." I am not sure that this ending is apt for this sickening video - or the one immediately preceding it (also about Ben Stein). There is nothing to laugh at about Ben Stein - even less so those who, like the interviewer, seem to agree with him.

I find myself wondering whether this shift in the sense of ridicule in his videos is because Thunderf00t's attitude is changing or if his source material is getting more sinister because the lunatics are taking over the asylum.

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35. Comment #170758 by Vanitas on April 28, 2008 at 12:55 am

The most disgusting thing about a religious mind like Stein's is how, pretending always to have the moral high ground, it makes a mockery of everything that could be called morality.

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36. Comment #170759 by hmcook87 on April 28, 2008 at 12:57 am

Social Darwinism, when people get the idea that some races are better than others. Yep, that sucks, but you should see Social Gravitation, when people get the idea that some races can fly and should be pushed off cliffs. Easy way to stop that atrocity, stop teaching people about gravity, the physics chapter on gravitation should say "God holds everything down" and be done with it.

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37. Comment #170760 by Thor'Ungal on April 28, 2008 at 12:57 am

I have a terrible feeling Thunderf00t is going the way of captnOrdinary. I think dealing with this level of insanity on a week by week basis is quite draining. I wouldn't be too suprised if he posted a "taking a few of months off from this" video just to recouperate.

We don't have the zombie like devotion to causes they do. they've got hellfire chasing them to put their videos up. We've just got the truth, plus our stuff has to actually be verifiable, we can't just make shit up.

P.S. I use the word "we" here only to say I identify with their cause. I have neither the skill not the commitment to put videos of this quality up myself.

Thor

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38. Comment #170761 by Quetzalcoatl on April 28, 2008 at 12:58 am

Ben Stein epitomises stupidity. What's even worse is that he clearly believes this verbal effluent he is spewing.

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39. Comment #170762 by lievemebe on April 28, 2008 at 1:00 am

Ben stein must be in this just for the money. No one could be so seriously stupid, could they?

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40. Comment #170768 by DamnDirtyApe on April 28, 2008 at 1:36 am

Evil lurks in the streets, but it was never the streets that were evil.

What drives a man like Stein to want to manipulate and decieve ordinary unwise folk in this horrible way? Does he enjoy it? Is he wrapped up some kind of sick fantasy, or is he just a liar?

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41. Comment #170769 by Raiko on April 28, 2008 at 1:38 am

Cheers for Thunderf00t getting proper recognition!

I will watch this when I get home from work. Reading the comment, I am not sure I would be able to endure Stein without Thunderf00t's replies directly after.

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42. Comment #170770 by DoctorE on April 28, 2008 at 1:40 am

Hos is it possible to be that stupit, im continuously resigning from the human race.

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43. Comment #170773 by stereoroid on April 28, 2008 at 1:46 am

I got to the end, probably because I had an episode of "Will & Grace" on in the background. 8)

I'm a bit lost for words at his flip-flopping on his background: one minute touting his Yale Law degree, the next claiming that universities produce nothing useful, and that the Law does not decide what is right or wrong. What are the odds that he's some Ben Guevara, who went to those institutions with the aim of bringing them down? Or, whom, after seeing how they work from the inside, dedicated his life to ridding the world of their poisonous influence? I thought so too.

I rarely allow myself to insult others directly, preferring to say nothing, but this pinball machine just got pushed in to Tilt. Ben Stein is an Asshole. See you on the next series of "America's Most Smartest Model", then.

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44. Comment #170780 by Boukeb on April 28, 2008 at 1:56 am

Hurts to see someone like Stein. I really hated the chuckling of the interviewer ('good word, good word') when Stein makes his remark about mud and lightning. The naive part of me wants to believe that this expelled project is all a charade and that at one point they will go 'gotcha! Hey you suckers, did you buy that shit about Darwin and the Holocaust? Boy, you're a bunch of brainwashed retards.' '

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45. Comment #170789 by Partisan on April 28, 2008 at 2:31 am

Five minutes with any reasonbly intelligent debator would see Stein fall flat on his face - unless, like Mathias in the SciAm interview, he feels his ignorance gives him a free pass to say whatever he likes, as well as something to hide behind when the questions get just too awkard.

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46. Comment #170791 by V'Ger on April 28, 2008 at 2:33 am

This guy is on our side right? That can be the only explanation.

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47. Comment #170794 by PJG on April 28, 2008 at 3:06 am

V'Ger has a point. The more I have seen of Stein, the more insane and ranting he appears. I hope he continues to be interviewed as eventually, all but the most deluded (and there is no hope for them) will recognise that he is completely mad - as well as ignorant.

Why did I get a hollow feeling inside when I typed the above?

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48. Comment #170795 by riandouglas on April 28, 2008 at 3:08 am

V'Ger: This guy is on our side right? That can be the only explanation.

There's sides now? Why do I never get the memo!

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49. Comment #170797 by Quetzalcoatl on April 28, 2008 at 3:12 am

Riandouglas-

that's right, there are two sides: "Us" and "Them". Unfortunately they use the same terms but reversed. So as far as "Them" are concerned, they are "Us", whereas "Us" are seen as being "Them".

Does that clear it up?

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50. Comment #170801 by PJG on April 28, 2008 at 3:20 am

As in "sides" of an argument. What is wrong with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k

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