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A baby is called to self-consciousness by the love and smile of his mother…. It reveals four things to him: 1) that he is one in love with his mother, and yet he is not his mother, and so Being is one; 2) this love is good, and so the whole of being is good; 3) that this love is true, and so being is true, 4) this love is a cause of joy, and so Being is beautiful.6
2. Comment #176989 by stephenray on May 8, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Interesting that the best illustration he can find is of what a baby learns by looking at his mother.3. Comment #176992 by Rawhard Dickins on May 8, 2008 at 12:34 pm
4. Comment #176993 by Quetzalcoatl on May 8, 2008 at 12:34 pm
5. Comment #176997 by Noodly on May 8, 2008 at 12:43 pm
6. Comment #176998 by michabo on May 8, 2008 at 12:43 pm
'Pope Benedict knows,' he said, 'that religion is about truth and not social cohesion.' A very accurate remark I think.
7. Comment #177001 by Apathy personified on May 8, 2008 at 12:54 pm
As a favour, i'm translated the middle part of this lecture for everyone.8. Comment #177007 by jiujitstheist on May 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm
A veritable cornucopia of self-indulgent blather.9. Comment #177010 by Mr Blue Sky on May 8, 2008 at 1:07 pm
10. Comment #177014 by Don_Quix on May 8, 2008 at 1:11 pm
11. Comment #177016 by Cartomancer on May 8, 2008 at 1:12 pm
The Wisdom writings of the Old Testament are permeated by Greek philosophical ideas. And why not?Tsk tsk Cormac, would those be the very same wisdom writings your own church confirmed as apocryphal at the council of Trent in 1545?
12. Comment #177017 by Demotruk on May 8, 2008 at 1:13 pm
tl;dr13. Comment #177018 by Quetzalcoatl on May 8, 2008 at 1:14 pm
In this lecture I want to give a personal perspective on Faith in Britain today. And I do so with humility
No one generates their own faith: it always comes to us through the goodness, example and insight of others: that is the meaning of tradition and the roots of this tradition lie in the goodness, example and insight of our Lord Jesus, God's Word made flesh, the Jewish tradition on which he draws and the Christian tradition which he creates by his risen presence.
Christ is the Lord of human time, active in all of human history.
One of the aims of the Christian religion is to create and foster a culture and society in which human beings flourish and God is glorified by his presence in a holy people. Because the Word becomes flesh and makes his home among us, the human community is to become a dwelling place for God: that's the Christian vision of society and it is why the Gospel must find a dwelling place in the social and cultural order.
and we must not allow Britain to become a world devoid of religious faith and its powerful contribution to the common good
Have you ever met anyone who believes what Richard Dawkins doesn't believe in? I usually find that the God that is being rejected by such people is a God I don't believe in either. I simply don't recognise my faith in what is presented by these critics as Christian faith.
God is why the world is at all, the goodness, truth and love that flows into an astonishingly complex and beautiful cosmos, and we are the part of that cosmos, consciously and freely open to goodness, truth and love; and we are frustrated when this openness is blocked. We are designed for ultimate meaning and purpose, unrestricted truth and love: that is why Julian Barnes, atheist though he may declare himself, 'misses' God. God is at the heart of every person. And until that is acknowledged, we will always feel his absence.
The challenge confronting the Church today is, as always, how best to communicate the richness and newness of the Gospel message to the people of our country
14. Comment #177020 by Cartomancer on May 8, 2008 at 1:21 pm
'The divine substance,' Aquinas says, 'surpasses every form that our intellect reaches. Thus we are unable to apprehend it by knowing what it is.How anyone with a basic grasp of epistemology and the knowledge of modern science at his disposal could take this as recommending belief in the imponderable I am at a loss to fathom. Even Aquinas eventually realised that god's existence was ultimately a matter which rested on faith alone, gave up and refused to write any further. I like to think he died more than a few steps down the road to atheism.
15. Comment #177025 by Dinah on May 8, 2008 at 1:28 pm
A God who can be spoken of comfortably and clearly by human beings cannot be the true God. Si comprehendis, non est Deus, said St Augustine: 'if you understand, it is not God'. I wonder if we Christians have led people to think that it is easy to talk about God and to think that we know clearly what we are talking about.
16. Comment #177026 by Richard Dawkins on May 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I was sent this speech by the BBC, and asked to go on the radio tomorrow morning (Today Programme) to talk about it. I can't decide whether it is worth doing. I find it astonighing that anybody could spend 5000 words saying absolutely nothing of substance.17. Comment #177027 by AllanW on May 8, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Richard, in my opinion you should do the programme. But use this non-speech as just a hanger for the points you might like to make. How radical this mans pronouncements have been lately and how disturbing it is that he has tried to use his religious organisation to coerce politicians into anti-scientific votes in the House of Commons may be just a few things to mention but I'm sure you have many more apposite ones yourself. After all, this is what the politicians who go on the programme do all the time :)18. Comment #177028 by Verylee on May 8, 2008 at 1:33 pm
19. Comment #177032 by Geodesic17 on May 8, 2008 at 1:40 pm
This article looks like a maze of theological rambling that I do not have the patience to navigate through.20. Comment #177033 by Cartomancer on May 8, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Do people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?That someone who carries the respect of a significant portion of the public can stand up and say absolutely nothing of substance for that long, then receive the warm appreciation of said public for the apparent reasonableness of his words, is a travesty that deserves speaking out against in my opinion.
21. Comment #177034 by BNCbright on May 8, 2008 at 1:42 pm
22. Comment #177036 by SRWB on May 8, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Richard,23. Comment #177038 by Peacebeuponme on May 8, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Richard DawkinsDo people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor once said (of The Da Vinci Code):
24. Comment #177040 by stevencarrwork on May 8, 2008 at 1:46 pm
What pompous waffle the man talks!25. Comment #177042 by Ciraric on May 8, 2008 at 1:47 pm
26. Comment #177043 by Podaar on May 8, 2008 at 1:48 pm
As always, the interesting question about atheism is 'what is the theism that is being denied?' Have you ever met anyone who believes what Richard Dawkins doesn't believe in? I usually find that the God that is being rejected by such people is a God I don't believe in either. I simply don't recognise my faith in what is presented by these critics as Christian faith.It might be nice if someone pointed out that it's not necessary to believe in not-belief.
27. Comment #177044 by Sargeist on May 8, 2008 at 1:48 pm
28. Comment #177045 by Dinah on May 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm
I find it astonishing that anybody could spend 5000 words saying absolutely nothing of substance.
29. Comment #177046 by Frankus1122 on May 8, 2008 at 1:50 pm
30. Comment #177047 by Apathy personified on May 8, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Richard, I think you are absolutely right, there is nothing in this lecture that hasn't been said before, obvious by the fact that the only people who have been alive for the last 500 years who he mentions are you, some British Rabbi, Ratzinger and John Paul II.31. Comment #177050 by Diacanu on May 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Do people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?
32. Comment #177051 by exquisitetruth on May 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm
"I rarely waste time in reading theological subjects... Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against such unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness, like the scuttle-fish, thro' the element in which they move, and making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will sulk."
33. Comment #177053 by PaulJ on May 8, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Have you ever met anyone who believes what Richard Dawkins doesn't believe in? I usually find that the God that is being rejected by such people is a God I don't believe in either. I simply don't recognise my faith in what is presented by these critics as Christian faith.Go on then. Which god do you believe in?
'Pope Benedict knows,' he said, 'that religion is about truth and not social cohesion.' A very accurate remark I think.I think not.
People's spiritual and religious impulses are not being channelled in a deep enough way because there is a pervasive message that to commit yourself to God through a religious faith is to take a step back from being independent and mature.There might be a reason for that....
Our starting point then must be that even in a culture that seems far from God, no one is without God's presence and action. None is without God. If we believe in God as the creator of all, this must be true.Believing in something has no bearing whatever on whether it's true or not.
The second reflection is from a modern, or should I say post-modern, novelist called Douglas Coupland. In his novel, Life after God, he says this: "Here is my secret. I tell it to you with an openness of heart that I doubt that I shall ever achieve again. I pray that you are in a quiet room as you hear these words. My secret is that I need God �" that I am sick and can no longer make it alone. I need God to help me give because I no longer seem to be capable of giving; to help me to be kind, as I no longer seem capable of kindness, to help me love, as I seem beyond being able to love". It reads like a cry from the heart of so many people today.Inventing an imaginary friend to fill a perceived lack of spiritual companionship is just that - invention.
Many who deny God's existence treat God in this way, and they simply don't know how to ask the proper question about God. God is why the world is at all, the goodness, truth and love that flows into an astonishingly complex and beautiful cosmos, and we are the part of that cosmos, consciously and freely open to goodness, truth and love; and we are frustrated when this openness is blocked. We are designed for ultimate meaning and purpose, unrestricted truth and love: that is why Julian Barnes, atheist though he may declare himself, 'misses' God. God is at the heart of every person. And until that is acknowledged, we will always feel his absence.Or maybe it's just indigestion.
'If there is no God, there is no one to tell us who we are.'This, I think, is the heart of the delusion, and you can see it also in the previous quote. People of faith go on about 'meaning' and 'purpose' as if these are attributes of the universe (put there, of course, by God). Suggesting that the universe just is will usually be met with horrified denial.
If Christians really believed in the mystery of God, we would realise that proper talk about God is always difficult, always tentative. Why are atheists so clear about the God who is rejected? A God who can be spoken of comfortably and clearly by human beings cannot be the true God. Si comprehendis, non est Deus, said St Augustine: 'if you understand, it is not God'. I wonder if we Christians have led people to think that it is easy to talk about God and to think that we know clearly what we are talking about. How much of modern unbelief is a product of a facile, deductive treatment of God, so that the God who is often rejected by people is the product of our thinking rather than being God in the mystery of his life?Theology is too deep for the likes of us. Or anyone.
If Christianity gave European thought the impression that God can be conceptually determined and pinned down and proved as a hypothesis, then it is hardly surprising that there has been resistance, as science and culture have developed, to worshipping this idea of God.OK then, let's have God as the mysterious unknowable idea. How do we get from that to believing that fermented grape juice transubstantiates into human blood with the aid of some hand-waving and magic words?
34. Comment #177054 by Verylee on May 8, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Do people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?
35. Comment #177055 by Szkeptik on May 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm
"The BBC cuts through the waffle to neatly summarize this as "'Respect atheists', says Cardinal": "36. Comment #177057 by Logicel on May 8, 2008 at 2:00 pm
37. Comment #177058 by Peacebeuponme on May 8, 2008 at 2:01 pm
exquisitetruthIn the words of Thomas Jefferson,He really must be pretty much the greatest man ever to live. Every time I read a quote, I'm in awe.
38. Comment #177059 by jonjermey on May 8, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Richard,39. Comment #177061 by exquisitetruth on May 8, 2008 at 2:03 pm
40. Comment #177062 by Cartomancer on May 8, 2008 at 2:04 pm
41. Comment #177063 by Diacanu on May 8, 2008 at 2:05 pm
He really must be pretty much the greatest man ever to live.
42. Comment #177065 by Layla Nasreddin on May 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Do people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?
As always, the interesting question about atheism is 'what is the theism that is being denied?' Have you ever met anyone who believes what Richard Dawkins doesn't believe in? I usually find that the God that is being rejected by such people is a God I don't believe in either. I simply don't recognise my faith in what is presented by these critics as Christian faith.
43. Comment #177066 by Richard Dawkins on May 8, 2008 at 2:06 pm
OK, well I eventually decided to do it. I'm told I'll be on at about 7.10 am tomorrow morning, 9th May. Then they plan to re-use some of what I say, when they come on to interview the Cardinal later. So he gets the last word! And probably a much longer interview.44. Comment #177067 by Lycosid on May 8, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I'm just glad he doesn't have children.45. Comment #177069 by SRWB on May 8, 2008 at 2:08 pm
This whole lecture seems to be just another instance of "Not my religion...."
46. Comment #177070 by Podaar on May 8, 2008 at 2:09 pm
47. Comment #177071 by jiujitstheist on May 8, 2008 at 2:10 pm
"Do people think it is worth bothering to go on the radio to talk about it?"48. Comment #177072 by robotaholic on May 8, 2008 at 2:11 pm
The Random House Unabridged Dictionary's definition of "editor" says: "A person having managerial and sometimes policy-making responsibility for the editorial part of a publishing firm or of a newspaper, magazine or other publication; a person who edits material for publication, films etc." While technically accurate, this description of an editor's role misses the point. The job of an editor is, among other things, to prod, shape, wheedle, cajole, mediate, challenge, anticipate, nit-pick, chastise, inspire, support, confront, defend, harangue, and, as required, suggest different words, phrases, or grammar.49. Comment #177073 by Peacebeuponme on May 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm
DiacanuWell, except for his shagging of a woman he literally owned as property, but hey....;)An unfortunate byproduct of greatness seems to be womanising* in many cases.
50. Comment #177074 by mordacious1 on May 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Richard, this may sound selfish, but I'd like you on the show just so I can listen to the post later on this site. Honestly though, it would weary me to constantly be rebutting this stuff. I don't know how you do it.
1. Comment #176987 by aleprechaunist on May 8, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I got as far as 'the clarity of its theology', then noticed that this is rather a long article...Other Comments by aleprechaunist