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Monday, May 12, 2008 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments

Document The Stupidity of Dignity

by Steven Pinker

Reposted from The New Republic:
http://www.tnr.com/story_print.html?id=d8731cf4-e87b-4d88-b7e7-f5059cd0bfbd

Conservative bioethics' latest, most dangerous ploy.

This spring, the President's Council on Bioethics released a 555-page report, titled Human Dignity and Bioethics. The Council, created in 2001 by George W. Bush, is a panel of scholars charged with advising the president and exploring policy issues related to the ethics of biomedical innovation, including drugs that would enhance cognition, genetic manipulation of animals or humans, therapies that could extend the lifespan, and embryonic stem cells and so-called "therapeutic cloning" that could furnish replacements for diseased tissue and organs. Advances like these, if translated into freely undertaken treatments, could make millions of people better off and no one worse off. So what's not to like? The advances do not raise the traditional concerns of bioethics, which focuses on potential harm and coercion of patients or research subjects. What, then, are the ethical concerns that call for a presidential council?

Many people are vaguely disquieted by developments (real or imagined) that could alter minds and bodies in novel ways. Romantics and Greens tend to idealize the natural and demonize technology. Traditionalists and conservatives by temperament distrust radical change. Egalitarians worry about an arms race in enhancement techniques. And anyone is likely to have a "yuck" response when contemplating unprecedented manipulations of our biology. The President's Council has become a forum for the airing of this disquiet, and the concept of "dignity" a rubric for expounding on it. This collection of essays is the culmination of a long effort by the Council to place dignity at the center of bioethics. The general feeling is that, even if a new technology would improve life and health and decrease suffering and waste, it might have to be rejected, or even outlawed, if it affronted human dignity.

Whatever that is. The problem is that "dignity" is a squishy, subjective notion, hardly up to the heavyweight moral demands assigned to it. The bioethicist Ruth Macklin, who had been fed up with loose talk about dignity intended to squelch research and therapy, threw down the gauntlet in a 2003 editorial, "Dignity Is a Useless Concept." Macklin argued that bioethics has done just fine with the principle of personal autonomy--the idea that, because all humans have the same minimum capacity to suffer, prosper, reason, and choose, no human has the right to impinge on the life, body, or freedom of another. This is why informed consent serves as the bedrock of ethical research and practice, and it clearly rules out the kinds of abuses that led to the birth of bioethics in the first place, such as Mengele's sadistic pseudoexperiments in Nazi Germany and the withholding of treatment to indigent black patients in the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study. Once you recognize the principle of autonomy, Macklin argued, "dignity" adds nothing.

Goaded by Macklin's essay, the Council acknowledged the need to put dignity on a firmer conceptual foundation. This volume of 28 essays and commentaries by Council members and invited contributors is their deliverable, addressed directly to President Bush. The report does not, the editors admit, settle the question of what dignity is or how it should guide our policies. It does, however, reveal a great deal about the approach to bioethics represented by the Council. And what it reveals should alarm anyone concerned with American biomedicine and its promise to improve human welfare. For this government-sponsored bioethics does not want medical practice to maximize health and flourishing; it considers that quest to be a bad thing, not a good thing.

To understand the source of this topsy-turvy value system, one has to look more deeply at the currents that underlie the Council. Although the Dignity report presents itself as a scholarly deliberation of universal moral concerns, it springs from a movement to impose a radical political agenda, fed by fervent religious impulses, onto American biomedicine.

The report's oddness begins with its list of contributors. Two (Adam Schulman and Daniel Davis) are Council staffers, and wrote superb introductory pieces. Of the remaining 21, four (Leon R. Kass, David Gelernter, Robert George, and Robert Kraynak) are vociferous advocates of a central role for religion in morality and public life, and another eleven work for Christian institutions (all but two of the institutions Catholic). Of course, institutional affiliation does not entail partiality, but, with three-quarters of the invited contributors having religious entanglements, one gets a sense that the fix is in. A deeper look confirms it.

Conspicuous by their absence are several fields of expertise that one might have thought would have something to offer any discussion of dignity and biomedicine. None of the contributors is a life scientist--or a psychologist, an anthropologist, a sociologist, or a historian. According to one of the introductory chapters, the Council takes a "critical view of contemporary academic bioethics and of the way bioethical questions are debated in the public square"--so critical, it seems, that Macklin (the villain of almost every piece) was not invited to expand on her argument, nor were mainstream bioethicists (who tend to be sympathetic to Macklin's viewpoint) given an opportunity to defend it.

Despite these exclusions, the volume finds room for seven essays that align their arguments with Judeo-Christian doctrine. We read passages that assume the divine authorship of the Bible, that accept the literal truth of the miracles narrated in Genesis (such as the notion that the biblical patriarchs lived up to 900 years), that claim that divine revelation is a source of truth, that argue for the existence of an immaterial soul separate from the physiology of the brain, and that assert that the Old Testament is the only grounds for morality (for example, the article by Kass claims that respect for human life is rooted in Genesis 9:6, in which God instructs the survivors of his Flood in the code of vendetta: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God was man made").

The Judeo-Christian--in some cases, explicitly biblical--arguments found in essay after essay in this volume are quite extraordinary. Yet, aside from two paragraphs in a commentary by Daniel Dennett, the volume contains no critical examination of any of its religious claims.

How did the United States, the world's scientific powerhouse, reach a point at which it grapples with the ethical challenges of twenty-first-century biomedicine using Bible stories, Catholic doctrine, and woolly rabbinical allegory? Part of the answer lies with the outsize influence of Kass, the Council's founding director (and an occasional contributor to TNR), who came to prominence in the 1970s with his moralistic condemnation of in vitro fertilization, then popularly known as "test-tube babies." As soon as the procedure became feasible, the country swiftly left Kass behind, and, for most people today, it is an ethical no-brainer. That did not stop Kass from subsequently assailing a broad swath of other medical practices as ethically troubling, including organ transplants, autopsies, contraception, antidepressants, even the dissection of cadavers.

Kass frequently makes his case using appeals to "human dignity" (and related expressions like "fundamental aspects of human existence" and "the central core of our humanity"). In an essay with the revealing title "L'Chaim and Its Limits, " Kass voiced his frustration that the rabbis he spoke with just couldn't see what was so terrible about technologies that would extend life, health, and fertility. "The desire to prolong youthfulness," he wrote in reply, is "an expression of a childish and narcissistic wish incompatible with devotion to posterity." The years that would be added to other people's lives, he judged, were not worth living: "Would professional tennis players really enjoy playing 25 percent more games of tennis?" And, as empirical evidence that "mortality makes life matter," he notes that the Greek gods lived "shallow and frivolous lives"--an example of his disconcerting habit of treating fiction as fact. (Kass cites Brave New World five times in his Dignity essay.)

Kass has a problem not just with longevity and health but with the modern conception of freedom. There is a "mortal danger," he writes, in the notion "that a person has a right over his body, a right that allows him to do whatever he wants to do with it." He is troubled by cosmetic surgery, by gender reassignment, and by women who postpone motherhood or choose to remain single in their twenties. Sometimes his fixation on dignity takes him right off the deep end:

Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive. ... Eating on the street--even when undertaken, say, because one is between appointments and has no other time to eat--displays [a] lack of self-control: It beckons enslavement to the belly. ... Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior.


And, in 2001, this man, whose pro-death, anti-freedom views put him well outside the American mainstream, became the President's adviser on bioethics--a position from which he convinced the president to outlaw federally funded research that used new stem-cell lines. In his speech announcing the stem-cell policy, Bush invited Kass to form the Council. Kass packed it with conservative scholars and pundits, advocates of religious (particularly Catholic) principles in the public sphere, and writers with a paper trail of skittishness toward biomedical advances, together with a smattering of scientists (mostly with a reputation for being religious or politically conservative). After several members opposed Kass on embryonic stem-cell research, on therapeutic cloning (which Kass was in favor of criminalizing), and on the distortions of science that kept finding their way into Council reports, Kass fired two of them (biologist Elizabeth Blackburn and philosopher William May) and replaced them with Christian-affiliated scholars.

Though Kass has jawboned his version of bioethics into governmental deliberation and policy, it is not just a personal obsession of his but part of a larger movement, one that is increasingly associated with Catholic institutions. (In 2005, Kass relinquished the Council chairmanship to Edmund Pellegrino, an 85-year-old medical ethicist and former president of the Catholic University of America.) Everyone knows about the Bush administration's alliance with evangelical Protestantism. But the pervasive Catholic flavoring of the Council, particularly its Dignity report, is at first glance puzzling. In fact, it is part of a powerful but little-known development in American politics, recently documented by Damon Linker in his book The Theocons.

For two decades, a group of intellectual activists, many of whom had jumped from the radical left to the radical right, has urged that we rethink the Enlightenment roots of the American social order. The recognition of a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and the mandate of government to secure these rights are too tepid, they argue, for a morally worthy society. This impoverished vision has only led to anomie, hedonism, and rampant immoral behavior such as illegitimacy, pornography, and abortion. Society should aim higher than this bare-bones individualism and promote conformity to more rigorous moral standards, ones that could be applied to our behavior by an authority larger than ourselves.

Since episodes of divine revelation seem to have decreased in recent millennia, the problem becomes who will formulate and interpret these standards. Most of today's denominations are not up to the task: Evangelical Protestantism is too anti-intellectual, and mainstream Protestantism and Judaism too humanistic. The Catholic Church, with its long tradition of scholarship and its rock-solid moral precepts, became the natural home for this movement, and the journal First Things, under the leadership of Father Richard John Neuhaus, its mouthpiece. Catholicism now provides the intellectual muscle behind a movement that embraces socially conservative Jewish and Protestant intellectuals as well. When Neuhaus met with Bush in 1998 as he was planning his run for the presidency, they immediately hit it off.

Three of the original Council members (including Kass) are board members of First Things, and Neuhaus himself contributed an essay to the Dignity volume. In addition, five other members have contributed articles to First Things over the years. The concept of dignity is natural ground on which to build an obstructionist bioethics. An alleged breach of dignity provides a way for third parties to pass judgment on actions that are knowingly and willingly chosen by the affected individuals. It thus offers a moralistic justification for expanded government regulation of science, medicine, and private life. And the Church's franchise to guide people in the most profound events of their lives--birth, death, and reproduction--is in danger of being undermined when biomedicine scrambles the rules. It's not surprising, then, that "dignity" is a recurring theme in Catholic doctrine: The word appears more than 100 times in the 1997 edition of the Catechism and is a leitmotif in the Vatican's recent pronouncements on biomedicine.

To be fair, most of the chapters in the Dignity volume don't appeal directly to Catholic doctrine, and of course the validity of an argument cannot be judged from the motives or affiliations of its champions. Judged solely on the merits of their arguments, how well do the essayists clarify the concept of dignity?

By their own admission, not very well. Almost every essayist concedes that the concept remains slippery and ambiguous. In fact, it spawns outright contradictions at every turn. We read that slavery and degradation are morally wrong because they take someone's dignity away. But we also read that nothing you can do to a person, including enslaving or degrading him, can take his dignity away. We read that dignity reflects excellence, striving, and conscience, so that only some people achieve it by dint of effort and character. We also read that everyone, no matter how lazy, evil, or mentally impaired, has dignity in full measure. Several essayists play the genocide card and claim that the horrors of the twentieth century are what you get when you fail to hold dignity sacrosanct. But one hardly needs the notion of "dignity" to say why it's wrong to gas six million Jews or to send Russian dissidents to the gulag.

So, despite the best efforts of the contributors, the concept of dignity remains a mess. The reason, I think, is that dignity has three features that undermine any possibility of using it as a foundation for bioethics.

First, dignity is relative. One doesn't have to be a scientific or moral relativist to notice that ascriptions of dignity vary radically with the time, place, and beholder. In olden days, a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking. We chuckle at the photographs of Victorians in starched collars and wool suits hiking in the woods on a sweltering day, or at the Brahmins and patriarchs of countless societies who consider it beneath their dignity to pick up a dish or play with a child. Thorstein Veblen wrote of a French king who considered it beneath his dignity to move his throne back from the fireplace, and one night roasted to death when his attendant failed to show up. Kass finds other people licking an ice-cream cone to be shamefully undignified; I have no problem with it.

Second, dignity is fungible. The Council and Vatican treat dignity as a sacred value, never to be compromised. In fact, every one of us voluntarily and repeatedly relinquishes dignity for other goods in life. Getting out of a small car is undignified. Having sex is undignified. Doffing your belt and spread- eagling to allow a security guard to slide a wand up your crotch is undignified. Most pointedly, modern medicine is a gantlet of indignities. Most readers of this article have undergone a pelvic or rectal examination, and many have had the pleasure of a colonoscopy as well. We repeatedly vote with our feet (and other body parts) that dignity is a trivial value, well worth trading off for life, health, and safety.

Third, dignity can be harmful. In her comments on the Dignity volume, Jean Bethke Elshtain rhetorically asked, "Has anything good ever come from denying or constricting human dignity?" The answer is an emphatic "yes." Every sashed and be-medaled despot reviewing his troops from a lofty platform seeks to command respect through ostentatious displays of dignity. Political and religious repressions are often rationalized as a defense of the dignity of a state, leader, or creed: Just think of the Salman Rushdie fatwa, the Danish cartoon riots, or the British schoolteacher in Sudan who faced flogging and a lynch mob because her class named a teddy bear Mohammed. Indeed, totalitarianism is often the imposition of a leader's conception of dignity on a population, such as the identical uniforms in Maoist China or the burqas of the Taliban.

A free society disempowers the state from enforcing a conception of dignity on its citizens. Democratic governments allow satirists to poke fun at their leaders, institutions, and social mores. And they abjure any mandate to define "some vision of 'the good life'" or the "dignity of using [freedom] well" (two quotes from the Council's volume). The price of freedom is tolerating behavior by others that may be undignified by our own lights. I would be happy if Britney Spears and "American Idol" would go away, but I put up with them in return for not having to worry about being arrested by the ice-cream police. This trade-off is very much in America's DNA and is one of its great contributions to civilization: my country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty.

So is dignity a useless concept? Almost. The word does have an identifiable sense, which gives it a claim, though a limited one, on our moral consideration.

Dignity is a phenomenon of human perception. Certain signals from the world trigger an attribution in the mind of a perceiver. Just as converging lines in a drawing are a cue for the perception of depth, and differences in loudness between the two ears cue us to the position of a sound, certain features in another human being trigger ascriptions of worth. These features include signs of composure, cleanliness, maturity, attractiveness, and control of the body. The perception of dignity in turn elicits a response in the perceiver. Just as the smell of baking bread triggers a desire to eat it, and the sight of a baby's face triggers a desire to protect it, the appearance of dignity triggers a desire to esteem and respect the dignified person.

This explains why dignity is morally significant: We should not ignore a phenomenon that causes one person to respect the rights and interests of another. But it also explains why dignity is relative, fungible, and often harmful. Dignity is skin-deep: it's the sizzle, not the steak; the cover, not the book. What ultimately matters is respect for the person, not the perceptual signals that typically trigger it. Indeed, the gap between perception and reality makes us vulnerable to dignity illusions. We may be impressed by signs of dignity without underlying merit, as in the tin-pot dictator, and fail to recognize merit in a person who has been stripped of the signs of dignity, such as a pauper or refugee.

Exactly what aspects of dignity should we respect? For one thing, people generally want to be seen as dignified. Dignity is thus one of the interests of a person, alongside bodily integrity and personal property, that other people are obligated to respect. We don't want anyone to stomp on our toes; we don't want anyone to steal our hubcaps; and we don't want anyone to open the bathroom door when we're sitting on the john. A value on dignity in this precise sense does have an application to biomedicine, namely greater attention to the dignity of patients when it does not compromise their medical treatment. The volume contains fine discussions by Pellegrino and by Rebecca Dresser on the avoidable humiliations that today's patients are often forced to endure (like those hideous hospital smocks that are open at the back). No one could object to valuing dignity in this sense, and that's the point. When the concept of dignity is precisely specified, it becomes a mundane matter of thoughtfulness pushing against callousness and bureaucratic inertia, not a contentious moral conundrum. And, because it amounts to treating people in the way that they wish to be treated, ultimately it's just another application of the principle of autonomy.

There is a second reason to give dignity a measure of cautious respect. Reductions in dignity may harden the perceiver's heart and loosen his inhibitions against mistreating the person. When people are degraded and humiliated, such as Jews in Nazi Germany being forced to wear yellow armbands or dissidents in the Cultural Revolution being forced to wear grotesque haircuts and costumes, onlookers find it easier to despise them. Similarly, when refugees, prisoners, and other pariahs are forced to live in squalor, it can set off a spiral of dehumanization and mistreatment. This was demonstrated in the famous Stanford prison experiment, in which volunteers assigned to be "prisoners" had to wear smocks and leg irons and were referred to by serial numbers instead of names. The volunteers assigned to be "guards" spontaneously began to brutalize them. Note, though, that all these cases involve coercion, so once again they are ruled out by autonomy and respect for persons. So, even when breaches of dignity lead to an identifiable harm, it's ultimately autonomy and respect for persons that gives us the grounds for condemning it.

Could there be cases in which a voluntary relinquishing of dignity leads to callousness in onlookers and harm to third parties--what economists call negative externalities? In theory, yes. Perhaps if people allowed their corpses to be publicly desecrated, it would encourage violence against the bodies of the living. Perhaps the sport of dwarf-tossing encourages people to mistreat all dwarves. Perhaps violent pornography encourages violence against women. But, for such hypotheses to justify restrictive laws, they need empirical support. In one's imagination, anything can lead to anything else: Allowing people to skip church can lead to indolence; letting women drive can lead to sexual licentiousness. In a free society, one cannot empower the government to outlaw any behavior that offends someone just because the offendee can pull a hypothetical future injury out of the air. No doubt Mao, Savonarola, and Cotton Mather could provide plenty of reasons why letting people do what they wanted would lead to the breakdown of society.

The sickness in theocon bioethics goes beyond imposing a Catholic agenda on a secular democracy and using "dignity" to condemn anything that gives someone the creeps. Ever since the cloning of Dolly the sheep a decade ago, the panic sown by conservative bioethicists, amplified by a sensationalist press, has turned the public discussion of bioethics into a miasma of scientific illiteracy. Brave New World, a work of fiction, is treated as inerrant prophesy. Cloning is confused with resurrecting the dead or mass-producing babies. Longevity becomes "immortality," improvement becomes "perfection," the screening for disease genes becomes "designer babies" or even "reshaping the species." The reality is that biomedical research is a Sisyphean struggle to eke small increments in health from a staggeringly complex, entropy-beset human body. It is not, and probably never will be, a runaway train.

A major sin of theocon bioethics is exactly the one that it sees in biomedical research: overweening hubris. In every age, prophets foresee dystopias that never materialize, while failing to anticipate the real revolutions. Had there been a President's Council on Cyberethics in the 1960s, no doubt it would have decried the threat of the Internet, since it would inexorably lead to 1984, or to computers "taking over" like HAL in 2001. Conservative bioethicists presume to soothsay the outcome of the quintessentially unpredictable endeavor called scientific research. And they would stage-manage the kinds of social change that, in a free society, only emerge as hundreds of millions of people weigh the costs and benefits of new developments for themselves, adjusting their mores and dealing with specific harms as they arise, as they did with in vitro fertilization and the Internet.

Worst of all, theocon bioethics flaunts a callousness toward the billions of non-geriatric people, born and unborn, whose lives or health could be saved by biomedical advances. Even if progress were delayed a mere decade by moratoria, red tape, and funding taboos (to say nothing of the threat of criminal prosecution), millions of people with degenerative diseases and failing organs would needlessly suffer and die. And that would be the biggest affront to human dignity of all.

Steven Pinker is Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard and the author of The Stuff of Thought.

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1. Comment #178950 by nickthelight on May 12, 2008 at 9:43 am

 avatarand still Bush takes no notice.

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2. Comment #178952 by Colwyn Abernathy on May 12, 2008 at 9:47 am

 avatarI still think I'd look awful dignified with a pair of bat wings...either bionic or engineered, I'm not picky. ;)

EDIT:

Although the Dignity report presents itself as a scholarly deliberation of universal moral concerns, it springs from a movement to impose a radical political agenda, fed by fervent religious impulses, onto American biomedicine.


I am Jack's Complete Lack of Surprise.

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3. Comment #178962 by Diocletian on May 12, 2008 at 10:11 am

The next time Professor Dawkins is told that most religious people don't take the Bible literally... or that he does not understand the nuances of religion... he should just hand his critics the Dignity report. Where are the religious moderates protesting such idiocy? Possibly too busy writing new flea books?

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4. Comment #178965 by T4Baxter on May 12, 2008 at 10:20 am

Good Lord!
Great article. Everything that needed to be said in response is more or less in there. The underlying 'white elephant' seems to be a sense that despite their position of power, governments themselves are duped into inane wrangling over empty concepts by the religious representatives, suggesting they lack, not only an objective grasp on how to circumnavigate shallow rhetoric, but also the self preservation to consult all possible representative bodies that they might improve their probability of fulfilling the wishes of the broader demographic. If governments aren't doing that, what the hell are they up too?

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5. Comment #178968 by hungarianelephant on May 12, 2008 at 10:24 am

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How did the United States, the world's scientific powerhouse, reach a point at which it grapples with the ethical challenges of twenty-first-century biomedicine using Bible stories, Catholic doctrine, and woolly rabbinical allegory?

(1) Science delivers technological progress.
(2) Most people don't understand the technology, let alone really know what to do with it.
(3) Science disclaims ownership of the moral questions as to how technology should be deployed.
(4) Vacuum.
(5) The loudest of those who have anything to say fill it.

Philosophy is held in even lower regard by the general public than science. It's all very well saying that religion doesn't provide good answers, but it provides certain ones. If you want to counteract its malign influence, you have to bring philosophy to the masses.

Generally the article made some good points, but it was disappointing to end with
Worst of all, theocon bioethics flaunts a callousness toward the billions of non-geriatric people, born and unborn, whose lives or health could be saved by biomedical advances. Even if progress were delayed a mere decade by moratoria, red tape, and funding taboos (to say nothing of the threat of criminal prosecution), millions of people with degenerative diseases and failing organs would needlessly suffer and die. And that would be the biggest affront to human dignity of all.

Why? Why should death be regarded as an affront to human dignity? Death is the fate of every human and every other organism. But there seems to be an almost uncontested assumption that the indefinite prolongation of life is, or would be, a Good Thing.

This is not only impossible, it is also ruinous. Health economists reckon that 90% of health spending goes on the last 10% of lives. In the days when it could still count, the NHS reckoned that two thirds of its budget was spent on people in the last two years of their lives. To put that into perspective, it is 5% of GDP, or about the same as spending on education.

Is it not time we grew up a bit?

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6. Comment #178971 by riki on May 12, 2008 at 10:25 am

 avatarI only understand the dignity argument when it refers to keeping people alive in a vegetative state. But that's obviously not the case here.

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7. Comment #178974 by Colwyn Abernathy on May 12, 2008 at 10:26 am

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Yet, aside from two paragraphs in a commentary by Daniel Dennett, the volume contains no critical examination of any of its religious claims.


I am Jack's Complete and UTTER Lack of Surprise.

EDIT:

The years that would be added to other people's lives, he judged, were not worth living:


Yeah, Hugh Hefner's extended years are utter crap. Oh, how can a sinful sinner live SO LONG?!

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8. Comment #178975 by Nentuaby on May 12, 2008 at 10:27 am

Holy crap... I literally goggled at that bit about the ice cream cones. The inmates really are running the asylum these days, aren't they.

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9. Comment #178978 by MPhil on May 12, 2008 at 10:31 am

 avatarWell, death may not be necessarily regarded as an affront to human dignity. In fact, in some cases I think letting the person chose their death can be the most dignity-preserving. Because there can only be dignity in life - and we have just one. So the "how" of dying is of importance. Alone, in a home for the retired, just waiting to be turned around twice a day so that one doesn't develop sores - never visited by anyone, being left alone, wasting and then dying - that's an affront to human dignity, of the worst kind. So I say we need a lot more end-of-life care, a lot more hospices.

Doesn't mean death is an affront, just affirms living - not letting people waste away.

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10. Comment #178979 by snoov on May 12, 2008 at 10:34 am

"(for example, the article by Kass claims that respect for human life is rooted in Genesis 9:6, in which God instructs the survivors of his Flood in the code of vendetta: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God was man made")"

What happens to the man who kills the first man? Surely this leads to an infinite regress, and we'd all be dead.

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11. Comment #178981 by ShavenYak on May 12, 2008 at 10:37 am

The mention of "dignity" always reminds me of a discussion of natural family planning that happened in my Catholic high school. Of course, it was explained to us that one of the reasons the Church forbids mechanical contraceptives but allows NFP is that contraceptives undermine the dignity of the procreative act. The teacher had no answer when I asked how it was that putting a piece of latex on a penis was a greater indignity than examining the wife's cervical mucus before intercourse.

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12. Comment #178983 by Colwyn Abernathy on May 12, 2008 at 10:43 am

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Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone--a catlike activity that has been made acceptable in informal America but that still offends those who know eating in public is offensive.


'Course, all I can think of is, "LOOKA THA TONGUE ON HER! WWWWOOOOOOWWW!'
-George Carlin

In olden days, a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking.


Oooohhh, Heaven knows! Anything goes!

SORRY! I was in that show, it's like a damn reflex.

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13. Comment #178993 by SomeDanGuy on May 12, 2008 at 11:10 am

I've always known I disliked Kass from a few excerpts in past bioethics classes, but I had no idea he was so totally insane.
Ice cream licking? Seriously??

Wagers on how long before he gets a Medal of Freedom?

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14. Comment #179001 by Ty_Webb on May 12, 2008 at 11:21 am

The Catholic Church, with its long tradition of scholarship and its rock-solid moral precepts, became the natural home for this movement


I think my sarcasm meter may have just broken. There's smoke coming out of it and the needle appears to be bent.

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15. Comment #179006 by Robert Maynard on May 12, 2008 at 11:29 am

 avatarhungarianelephant
[Prolonging life indefinitely] is not only impossible, it is also ruinous. Health economists reckon that 90% of health spending goes on the last 10% of lives. In the days when it could still count, the NHS reckoned that two thirds of its budget was spent on people in the last two years of their lives. To put that into perspective, it is 5% of GDP, or about the same as spending on education.
Right, but who said life-prolonging medicine should only start when you're old? What if we developed technology that allowed people to literally stop physically aging at, say, 30? Now think of the money we might save. :P

It's impossible? Says who?
Exactly how far out do you think you can project to conclude exactly what is and isn't possible?

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16. Comment #179013 by MaxD on May 12, 2008 at 11:52 am

 avatarKass is a moron and his ice cream pontifications are proof of this sad fact.

There are those of the this is not my God bent who say Dawkins, Hitch, Harris, Dennett are not speaking to them or the millions who have a more reasoned faith. However I keep telling such people they are in the tender minority of religious apologists.

Doesn't this lend some more weight to the argument made most clearly by Hitch and Dawkins I think that embedded in much of Christian theology is a tendency to totalitarian ideology?

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17. Comment #179021 by MaxD on May 12, 2008 at 12:00 pm

 avatarRobert Maynard,
This we seem to be doing even as we speak. For a little while anyway.
If you look in any gym in any town in the US you will find people looking better and younger than they would have just 10 years ago. Athletes seem to be pushing their competitive years further in sports that are notoriciously rough on older atheletes. Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell are both old men who really ought not be doing as well as they do in combative sports.

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18. Comment #179035 by Apeseed on May 12, 2008 at 12:24 pm

If medicine can keep us healthier and in control of our faculties for longer during old age I'm all for it. What could be more undignified than relying on your kids to change your diaper and clean up after you in your last years of life.

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19. Comment #179046 by BW022 on May 12, 2008 at 12:51 pm

My problem with all of this, is that ultimately it isn't up to the US governments commitee on Bioethics to decide the question.

If they ban say stem cell usage... and Canada finds a treatment to say regenerate spinal columns... how long will that law last? Are they going to arrest every person with a spinal cord injury who goes to Canada for treatment?

Same with abortion. It isn't up to the State. Even if they outlaw it, women will go to another state or country to get medical treatment. It doesn't matter what this commission says, each individual will ultimately make their own decision. Same with genetically modified foods, eating meat, wearing furs, banning evolution in the schools, etc.

Folks aren't going to sit by and watch their kid sit in a wheelchair if the only thing between him walking is the Mexican border and some "ethics" committee ruling.

At best, the other "ethics" issue is why poor people (unable to get healthcare elsewhere in the world) have to suffer and those with money get to live.

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20. Comment #179047 by wiz220 on May 12, 2008 at 12:52 pm

We can only hope that the next president returns us to a state of normalcy that takes us off of the road to theocracy, that they will appoint and consult with people who believe in rational thought.

Sadly I believe the new battlecry of the religious right is to call people that are intelligent critical thinkers "elitests". And the worst part is that it's working. :(

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21. Comment #179048 by GBile on May 12, 2008 at 12:53 pm

Human dignity, quite a topic.

In a video on the Dover trial, a slightly obese man behind a desk was complaining how 'evil' evolution was violating his dignity through the suggestion that he had an 'apely' ancestor.

The term 'human dignity' always springs to my mind after spending some time in the bathroom and, after rising, watching that what just left my body. Human dignity.
But it is likely that obese evolution haters agree with me, they are surely full of it.

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22. Comment #179053 by Apeseed on May 12, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Doesn't this lend some more weight to the argument made most clearly by Hitch and Dawkins I think that embedded in much of Christian theology is a tendency to totalitarian ideology?


Not to mention Islam. Aren't they just emulating their god who is the ultimate dictator. It always seemed to me that when the religious talk about the kingdom of god they betray what they are really hankering after. A return to the good old days when we all grovelled before the throne of an all powerful ruler who suffered us to exist.

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23. Comment #179058 by Szkeptik on May 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm

I would like to direct GW Bush to this article, but on second thought he would probably be unable to read the whole thing anyway.

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24. Comment #179075 by Logicel on May 12, 2008 at 1:34 pm

 avatarPinker maintains his cool beautifully, focusing on the inanity of using dignity as a basis for ethics rather than autonomy. Of course, the meddling, tyrannical religious 'leaders' abhor autonomy for others because they would be out of a job. Poor babies, if they can't push people around and force feed their disgusting 'ethical/moral' concoctions down the throats of others, they lose their 'dignity.'

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25. Comment #179077 by AmericanGodless on May 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm

 avatarIs anyone else struck by the connection between Leon R. Kass' attitude toward the indignity of allowing stem-cell research (or public licking of ice cream cones) and that of Abdel-Qader Ali toward the humiliation of having a daughter who would speak to a British soldier?

While I am sure that Kass wouldn't stomp a daughter to death because he disapproved of her flirting, his choice of a motivating concern appears quite similar.

"The dignity of our family has been restored." -- Ironic line, from Leonard Bernstein's retelling of Voltaire's Candide.

"Dignity, always dignity." -- Ironic line, from the film "Singing in the Rain".

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26. Comment #179085 by skyhook87 on May 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm

 avatarYou can find the "Human Dignity and Bioethics:Essays Commissioned by the President's Council on Bioethics" here in full.

http://bioethicsprint.bioethics.gov/reports/human_dignity/

I especially enjoyed Dennett's chapter as well as his commentary.

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27. Comment #179086 by Apathy personified on May 12, 2008 at 1:59 pm

 avatar'Lacking utensils for cutting and lifting to mouth, he will often be seen using his teeth for tearing off chewable portions, just like any animal. ... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view, where, even if we feel no shame, others are compelled to witness our shameful behavior.'

Does this mean eating apples in public is offensive?
This kass fellow is quite the dickhead. The real test is always; What if one of his loved ones is dying, and there is some radical new treatment to cure them, will he say 'No, die, you'll have more dignity' or would he get them the treatment.

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28. Comment #179101 by Rawhard Dickins on May 12, 2008 at 2:44 pm

 avatarIt's impossible to have a workable world view without accepting that we are part of the animal kingdom.

The religious battle with problems that evaporate when our animal nature is taken into account.

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29. Comment #179103 by MaxD on May 12, 2008 at 2:49 pm

 avatarBW022,
You make an excellent point but you miss one as well, or at least you seem too. This kind of bullshit is hindering actual research that the US is more or less well suited to be undertaking. As such it is not an overstatement to say such policies are reducing the quality of life and the life expectancies of millions.

This kind of theostupidity has been instrumental in the application of pressure for abstinence only sex education, and against the wider distribution of the HPV vaccine. The concerns of men and women like Kass have insured that more women will contract HPV and that teen sexual activity will, when it occurs, more reckless than if they'd had more comprehensive sex ed.
Those are just two examples.

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30. Comment #179105 by 10 on May 12, 2008 at 3:35 pm

 avatarExcellent!
I particularly liked
In one's imagination, anything can lead to anything else



27. Comment #179086 by Apathy personified
How is that in any way a "real test" of anything at all?

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31. Comment #179106 by Double Bass Atheist on May 12, 2008 at 3:39 pm

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Comment #179047 by wiz220

We can only hope that the next president returns us to a state of normalcy that takes us off of the road to theocracy, that they will appoint and consult with people who believe in rational thought.

Sadly I believe the new battlecry of the religious right is to call people that are intelligent critical thinkers "elitests". And the worst part is that it's working. :(


Unfortunately, you are all too correct. Add in that 'Expelled' bullshit, and the battle against rationality and reason is not going to get better in the foreseeable future.

Speaking of 'Expelled'... the number of creationist noobs posting that same drivel in our Forum has definitely seen an upswing since its release.

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32. Comment #179117 by Chris Bell on May 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

We should organize a mass protest. Let's all follow Kass around while noisily eating ice cream.

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33. Comment #179118 by Apathy personified on May 12, 2008 at 4:33 pm

 avatar10,
I meant,
The real test of him, would he be content to let someone close to him (a situation where he isn't an objective observer) suffer/die by not having any new treatment, or is this a case of someone just spouting shit for career progression reasons only (chair of Presidential committee, worked so far), i.e. if he was directly affected would his position change.

I'll admit, it isn't a very good test, or really a test at all, or very relevant.

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34. Comment #179119 by rod-the-farmer on May 12, 2008 at 5:13 pm

 avatarEating ice cream....you just could NOT make this stuff up, to coin a phrase.

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35. Comment #179121 by MaxD on May 12, 2008 at 5:27 pm

 avatarDouble Bass Atheist,
Did you see the poster for expelled?
It said "Big Science wants to blah blah blah." I would draw your attention to the phrase big science. I laughed out loud while I was standing in line to see Iron Man when I saw that line.
Big Science Ben Stein in his school boy outfit, and his idiot smirk. I wondered if that smirk is because he knows the trick he is about to pull on American audiences.

Stein is another neocon voice that would have the universities discredited in a big way simply because that is where much of what is called liberal criticism is born. Science is of course a huge villain to the neo-con movement, but so is serious art, and literature.

EDIT: I think Dairy Queen, that most insidious, and debauched of American institutions is now my very favorite eatery.

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36. Comment #179125 by Double Bass Atheist on May 12, 2008 at 5:53 pm

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Comment #179121 by MaxD
Double Bass Atheist,
Did you see the poster for expelled?
It said "Big Science wants to blah blah blah." I would draw your attention to the phrase big science. I laughed out loud while I was standing in line to see Iron Man when I saw that line.

Yep. Science is being portrayed as some kind of boys club and/or corporate-like monster in the vein of 'Big Oil' et al. Seriously irritating.

Big Science Ben Stein in his school boy outfit, and his idiot smirk. I wondered if that smirk is because he knows the trick he is about to pull on American audiences.

Unfortunately Max, it appears to be working for many.


Sorry everyone, I did not want to hijack this thread and turn it into another 'Expelled' rant, which has already been done to death on many other pages here and in the Forum.


We now return you to your regularly scheduled program... er... thread.

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37. Comment #179126 by exquisitetruth on May 12, 2008 at 5:54 pm

 avatarMaybe we could build a better brain for Bush? Of course Jesus may not like him if he didn't make do with the pitiful cognitive powers his daddy gave him..

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38. Comment #179128 by Philster61 on May 12, 2008 at 5:56 pm

with a bit of luck,Bush will get cancer or some other mortal disease.Then we will all be able to tell him "Told ya so"

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39. Comment #179130 by Count von Count on May 12, 2008 at 6:13 pm

 avatar

...it seems, that [Ruth] Macklin (the villain of almost every piece) was not invited to expand on her argument...

So I suppose this means the panel was ...

Ruthless?

Zing! Yes! Yes! Yes! [Slaps knee] Oh boy... my sides are splitting.

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40. Comment #179138 by Prieten on May 12, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Excellent article.

But I have a question. If genetic engineering has the potential to eliminate fatal genetic diseases or even slow the natural aging process, won't this just cause more overpopulation of the planet?

I guess that sounds really insensitive and I am not comfortable saying that. We have, thanks to science, managed to overcome many "natural" limits to our growth. Nature keeps trying to regain its lost power by evolving new diseases (or new versions of old ones), but science always is finding new ways to beat back nature's onslaught.

If one views the Earth and its resources as part of nature, we are finally bumping into some natural physical limits. The atmosphere can only take so much CO2. It takes billions of years to make oil. Our food supply has been expanded by confounding nature through the use of artificial fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, all by-products of fossil fuels.

The cheap energy we have been using to overcome nature's limits is running out. What does this mean for the Earth's ability to sustain its population (one that is also living longer and longer)?

There isn't much dignity in suffering from a debilitating disease and scientists are right to try to make our lives as comfortable as possible. But there isn't much dignity in starvation either.

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41. Comment #179140 by flobear on May 12, 2008 at 6:49 pm

 avatarWonderful article. I always enjoy listening to Pinker's interviews or reading his articles.

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42. Comment #179151 by Bobby G on May 12, 2008 at 7:33 pm

I didn't like this article. Not because it denounced Catholics, but because of its dismissiveness regarding the concept of dignity. The following paragraph is illustrative:

"Almost every essayist concedes that the concept [i.e., dignity] remains slippery and ambiguous. In fact, it spawns outright contradictions at every turn. We read that slavery and degradation are morally wrong because they take someone's dignity away. But we also read that nothing you can do to a person, including enslaving or degrading him, can take his dignity away. We read that dignity reflects excellence, striving, and conscience, so that only some people achieve it by dint of effort and character. We also read that everyone, no matter how lazy, evil, or mentally impaired, has dignity in full measure. Several essayists play the genocide card and claim that the horrors of the twentieth century are what you get when you fail to hold dignity sacrosanct. But one hardly needs the notion of "dignity" to say why it's wrong to gas six million Jews or to send Russian dissidents to the gulag."

I think the appearance of contradiction can be dissolved if we distinguish between two senses of dignity: (1) Innate dignity and (2) Acquired dignity. Innate dignity is the dignity a being has in virtue of having a certain capacity; the top contender for this honor is rational agency or autonomy: anyone who is capable rational agency/autonomy has innate dignity in virtue of this fact. Acquired dignity is the dignity a being has in virtue of its behavior. For instance, it could be that because of your rational agency your innate dignity can never be taken away (so long as you have rational agency); by the same token, though, you may be committed to certain norms of conduct in virtue of having rational agency, norms that, if you behave in certain ways, you violate; when you violate these norms you have less acquired dignity than you otherwise might.

Some examples may help. Kant famously argues that the norm of conduct to which everyone is committed is the categorical imperative; anyone capable of conducting herself according to the categorical imperative has innate dignity for that reason, but anyone who fails to live according to the categorical imperative fails to have a measure of acquired dignity that she might otherwise have (in Collins's lecture notes on Kant's ethics, he quotes Kant as saying that someone who violates a perfect duty "throws away his own dignity"). Christine Korsgaard, in The Sources of Normativity and Stephen Darwall, in The Second-Person Standpoint operate with a similar distinction (as do Thomas E. Hill, Jr., Barbara Herman, Onora O'Neill, and almost everyone who operates within the Kantian tradition).

But you might think this entire tradition is wrong-headed. Fine (though I think the work of ethicists in the Kantian tradition far outshines Pinker's own ruminations on ethics, if the thoughts in this article and his recent New York Times Magazine article are a good indication of the depth of his thinking on ethics); but clearly a similar distinction is made with "rational" in common language all the time. For instance, Aristotle has it that "man is a rational animal" but Dawkins holds that religious people are irrational. If you think religious people are irrational but you also believe that rationality is what separates us from most (if not all) animals, do you therefore think that religious people are not human? Some of you may think that, but if you do, what about people who are subject to the framing effects noted by Kahneman and Tversky? They (i.e., all of us) act irrationally all the time, but surely that doesn't mean that we aren't rational beings. We are rational beings because we have the capacity to act rationally; we are also irrational because we often fail to live up to that capacity.

This is not a hard distinction to see. That Pinker fails to see that such a distinction can be made in the case of dignity speaks to an extremely uncharitable reading of his opponents.

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43. Comment #179155 by Quine on May 12, 2008 at 7:39 pm

 avatarBut, wait, without dignity wouldn't everyone just laugh at the Pope's hat?

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44. Comment #179161 by markg on May 12, 2008 at 7:50 pm

 avatar
comment by Prieten
It takes billions of years to make oil. Our food supply has been expanded by confounding nature through the use of artificial fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, all by-products of fossil fuels.

The cheap energy we have been using to overcome nature's limits is running out. What does this mean for the Earth's ability to sustain its population (one that is also living longer and longer)?


Are you really Teratornis posting as Prieten?

Just kidding...

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45. Comment #179170 by PJG on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 pm

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Quine

But, wait, without dignity wouldn't everyone just laugh at the Pope's hat?


Not really. Not laughing at the Pope's hat requires decorum. His wearing of the hat shows he has no dignity!!!! :o)

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46. Comment #179191 by adonais on May 12, 2008 at 9:07 pm

 avatarBobby G:

I'm confused by your comment. It seems to me that your definitions of innate and acquired dignity are circular (you use "dignity" to define dignity) and overlapping with morality. I thought Pinker made a good case that dignity is not a robust enough concept to found an ethic on. I'm wondering if you're confusing dignity with morality, which is a better grounded concept than dignity.

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47. Comment #179192 by MaxD on May 12, 2008 at 9:10 pm

 avatarAdonais,
It seems that the mistake goes deeper than that, because Bobby G also collapses one of his dignities into autonomy, the concept Pinker thought more important for forming a serious bioethics upon.

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48. Comment #179196 by njwong on May 12, 2008 at 9:21 pm

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Comment #179085 by skyhook87 on May 12, 2008 at 1:54 pm

You can find the "Human Dignity and Bioethics:Essays Commissioned by the President's Council on Bioethics" here in full.

http://bioethicsprint.bioethics.gov/reports/human_dignity/


I especially enjoyed Dennett's chapter as well as his commentary.


Many thanks for the link, SkyHook. I was googling for it earlier, but couldn't find it. Instead, Google returned me a link to the US Government Bookstore which was selling the book itself for US$68.60 (international price)!!!

http://bookstore.gpo.gov/actions/GetPublication.do?stocknumber=017-023-00218-0

I wanted to read Kass's essay myself to form my own opinion. After having read it, I have to agree fully with Steven Pinker's criticism. Kass's essay is too biased towards Christianity, and would hardly persuade readers who are non-Christians (the number of bible references is amazing - and it is so clear from the writing that Kass believes that all the bible stories are literally true). Dennett's essay is much better as he adopts a more neutral stance, and cites secular examples that can be related to by anyone regardless of religion or lack of. (Of course, the Christian fundamentalists would probably say otherwise.)

By the way, I guess you must be an ardent Dennett fan - what with your moniker being Skyhook.

NJ

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49. Comment #179240 by Logicel on May 13, 2008 at 12:43 am

 avatarI feel pleased when I see people (of all ages) munching on an ice cream cone--they are happy for the most part and I am pleased for them. Does this rigid, sour pus think it is undignified for kids to eat an ice cream cone? I bet this numbskull probably regards most activities done by kids--because of their playfulness--as being animalistic and therefore undignified.

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50. Comment #179241 by Logicel on May 13, 2008 at 12:46 am

 avatarChris Bell writes: We should organize a mass protest. Let's all follow Kass around while noisily eating ice cream.
_____

I'll join the protest only if I can eat a corndog on a stick in this numbskull's presence.

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