The amazing intelligence of crows2. Comment #181037 by MaxD on May 16, 2008 at 10:35 am
3. Comment #181064 by mordacious1 on May 16, 2008 at 11:23 am
4. Comment #181070 by Zaphod on May 16, 2008 at 11:40 am
5. Comment #181071 by Richard Dawkins on May 16, 2008 at 11:41 am
6. Comment #181074 by mordacious1 on May 16, 2008 at 11:48 am
7. Comment #181076 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 11:52 am
8. Comment #181080 by Chris_The_Positivist on May 16, 2008 at 12:00 pm
That is amazing! I wonder what this says of the consciousness of crows?9. Comment #181087 by b0ltzm0n on May 16, 2008 at 12:14 pm
10. Comment #181090 by Caudimordax on May 16, 2008 at 12:17 pm
11. Comment #181092 by Tezcatlipoca on May 16, 2008 at 12:18 pm
12. Comment #181094 by mordacious1 on May 16, 2008 at 12:21 pm
13. Comment #181096 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 12:22 pm
14. Comment #181098 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 12:28 pm
He needs to work on the behavior of these crows, however, who have taken to stealing food out of childrens hands!
15. Comment #181102 by Rickshaw on May 16, 2008 at 12:32 pm
16. Comment #181108 by Chris_The_Positivist on May 16, 2008 at 12:40 pm
It's interesting how we can see at least one element of evolution in practice, at least something which is as a result of evolution, the ability of a lot of animals to quickly adapt to their surroundings in order to survive.17. Comment #181111 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I'm sure this goes against the creationist dogma that all animals were 'created' as they are today, having gone through zero change and having never needed to accumulated those instinctive skills to adapt, think and survive.
18. Comment #181112 by lilithattack on May 16, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I fell in love with Crows and out of religion when I read Ted Hughes' CROW: (From the Life and Songs of the Crow) poems. They are a beautiful and jaw dropping mythology (or apocrypha?) of Crow as god's nightmare.19. Comment #181115 by Caudimordax on May 16, 2008 at 12:46 pm
20. Comment #181116 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 12:47 pm
21. Comment #181118 by Chris_The_Positivist on May 16, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Hehe!22. Comment #181119 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 12:53 pm
23. Comment #181121 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 12:55 pm
24. Comment #181123 by Chris_The_Positivist on May 16, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Freaky idea! Giant birds, sounds familiar somehow...25. Comment #181124 by seqenenre on May 16, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I remember reading the story of a birdspecies in Japan but I have no idea where I first read it (somehow the name David Attenborough pops up). The bird found out that if you dropped a nut on one of these black stripes on the earth one of those boxlike animals with round limbs would smash the nut and you could eat it. It was very dangerous though, chances were you were smashed like the nut yourself.26. Comment #181130 by black wolf on May 16, 2008 at 1:09 pm
27. Comment #181135 by seqenenre on May 16, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Can I remove my previous post. I had not seen the video, I just read the text. How embarassing. HELP!!! (on the sunny side: it was Attenborough!)28. Comment #181137 by Andrew Stich on May 16, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Incredible. After the examples which demonstrate how intelligent crows are (the wire-bending and the nut-dropping), and the examples which demonstrate a crow's ability to learn (the spreading of the nut-dropping and the vending machine), it is possible that they could be trained for mutually beneficial results.29. Comment #181145 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 1:20 pm
30. Comment #181173 by Wosret on May 16, 2008 at 2:24 pm
5. Comment #181071 by Richard Dawkins
The work was done in the lab of my Oxford colleague Alex Kacelnik, and he should have been given credit.
31. Comment #181174 by HourglassMemory on May 16, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I love TED lectures.32. Comment #181199 by Darwin's badger on May 16, 2008 at 3:41 pm
5. Comment #181071 by Richard Dawkins on May 16, 2008 at 11:41 amRichard, there was an interesting article in New Scientist that you may have seen last summer, entitled "The scheming minds of crows". It's fascinating inasmuch as it suggests that the "theory of mind" module that Simon Baron-Cohen has investigated exhaustively may exist in a much smaller brain than that of primates.
For me the really exciting example here is Betty, the crow who bent a wire into a hook and used it to get food. The work was done in the lab of my Oxford colleague Alex Kacelnik, and he should have been given credit.
Richard
33. Comment #181211 by sarah95 on May 16, 2008 at 4:12 pm
The only time in 10 experiments when Betty did not make a hook out of the wire was when Abel managed to bring the food up with straight wire. On other occasions, he waited for Betty to bring out the food then stole it from her.
34. Comment #181216 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 4:23 pm
35. Comment #181231 by OGjimbo on May 16, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Wow! I found that video to be truly facinating, thanks very much for posting it!36. Comment #181251 by Dog Boots on May 16, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I, for one, welcome our new crow overlords.37. Comment #181277 by steveroot on May 16, 2008 at 8:31 pm
29. Comment #181145 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 1:20 pm
However, this makes what Betty did in the video even more amazing because nowhere in hundreds of thousands of years of evolution did these birds get the skill to use a wire that, unlike a stick, could be bent into a hook.
38. Comment #181305 by mordacious1 on May 16, 2008 at 9:42 pm
39. Comment #181317 by RightWingAtheist on May 16, 2008 at 10:49 pm
40. Comment #181346 by Darwin's badger on May 17, 2008 at 2:20 am
34. Comment #181216 by Quine on May 16, 2008 at 4:23 pmThanks Quine, it's much appreciated. I have an exam that includes animal learning and cognition next week, so this will be going in there!
DB, see this study of language and "footedness" in African Grey parrots.
41. Comment #181347 by witchspell on May 17, 2008 at 2:21 am
42. Comment #181352 by black wolf on May 17, 2008 at 2:37 am
No final stage of having the crows scavenge the city for loose change?
43. Comment #181364 by davem on May 17, 2008 at 3:38 am
All this is old news to anyone who watches birds closely. I've never understood the oxymoronic 'bird brain' description. I've seen crows lining up to soar a small rock in a 30 mph wind, watch them cackle as they fall off, then join a QUEUE to get back on. I've seen them in a tree over a thermal source, rise up as the thermal hits them, then drop a wing and tumble back to the tree, all the time laughing their heads off.44. Comment #181366 by Thor'Ungal on May 17, 2008 at 3:46 am
45. Comment #181392 by Dhamma on May 17, 2008 at 6:04 am
46. Comment #181395 by Dhamma on May 17, 2008 at 6:12 am
47. Comment #181511 by PJG on May 17, 2008 at 10:29 am
48. Comment #181532 by Nova on May 17, 2008 at 11:15 am
Quine:taking care of a friend's CAG parrot for two weeks, and I can tell you the things they can do just fly in the face of our usual ideas of their small brain sizeIndeed, African Grey Parrots are the only competitors for the title of worlds smartest bird with Carrion Crows. BTW, it is not brain size but brain size in comparison to body size that is used to measure intelligence. This measure is not precise but it works and both Carrion Crows and African Grey Parrots have very large brains in comparison to the size of their bodies.
49. Comment #181583 by Edamus on May 17, 2008 at 3:06 pm
50. Comment #181614 by Quine on May 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm
1. Comment #181035 by schmeer on May 16, 2008 at 10:33 am
Fascinating. I wonder how much they are capable of learning. If they are able to learn to use a crosswalk by watching humans, how long will it be until one of them gets a pointy hat and tells the others that he has exclusive access to the invisible crow that sees all.Other Comments by schmeer