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Sunday, May 18, 2008 | Reason : Commentary | print version Print | Comments |

Document Surviving an unholy school war

by Larry Buttrose

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Surviving an unholy school war

Larry Buttrose still marvels at the hypocrisy of a system he says violated generations of Catholic children.

I was born into a loving family. As far as I can remember, my parents never smacked me; hardly even raised their voices.

But they were churchgoing Roman Catholics and, a few weeks after my fifth birthday, one summer morning my mother walked me from our home to the local parish school.

Things there were very different. I vividly recall the red carbolic-scrubbed face of the young Irish nun swathed all in black who met us, and the strange gleam in her eye. Within days she was belting us with a cane, and being a left-hander I was singled out for special treatment; my hand beaten hard and often so I could no longer hold my pencil in "the hand of the devil".

Our nun teacher was ever on a slow simmer, hyper-vigilant for the merest mistake we might make in parroting back our lolly-hued religious texts.

Although still very young, even then I was surprised at the gulf between all the talk about God and love, and the beatings. I recall my confusion from the time, and the incipient feelings of resentment at what I would later learn to call hypocrisy.

Things seemed to change for the better when my parents decided upon a Jesuit education, and at age seven I began a long daily bus journey from Sydney's western suburbs to join the sons of Catholic doctors, lawyers and businessmen. My family was working/lower middle-class, and sending me to a private school was a major financial commitment, but my parents did it in the belief it was the best Catholic education money could buy.

The school's stress was on maths and science. There were no art or music classes, but French and Latin were taught, and it had a solid reputation in English. On balance my parents were optimistic.

There is an aphorism attributed to the Jesuits, which I will paraphrase as "Give us the boy at seven and we'll answer for the man", and when I first heard it I did feel uneasy about the "give" part.

But my first years there felt like a deliverance, nonetheless: no more nuns falling upon us like a burning biblical whirlwind, but instead the largely kindly attentions of lay teachers who actually seemed to like us, and who would resort to physical punishment only if we misbehaved.

Discipline we understood, though. Even at that age we expected discipline: the Jesuits are famous for it, after all.

Things turned for the worse when my classmates and I entered secondary school, however. We had by this time been introduced to the nuclear weapon of corporal punishment, well and truly a cut above the cane. "The Bomb" was a thick leather barber's strap, heavily stitched, the handle at one end making it perfect for the priest to grip onto, while bringing the other end down with all his might onto an outstretched palm with a resounding visceral thwack. A single jarring blow induced significant pain: six left the hand throbbing and numb, sometimes bruised.

The priests and brothers had internal pockets sewn into their voluminous black gowns, and like a gunfighter in a western, at some tiny misdemeanour they would suddenly go bright red, whip out their Bomb, and bellow urgently "Come on, come out, come out here."

The unfortunate child - all still short of our teens - would walk to the front of the classroom and would invariably get "six of the best"; the inevitable pain heightened by the possible humiliation of not "bearing it well".

Occasionally boys "cracked" in front of our eyes, unable to take it any longer. Often the priest's aim could be awry too, perhaps on purpose, and the upturned wrist struck as well as the palm, making the veins bulge alarmingly.

One extreme incident happened with a young priest newly arrived from Italy. On his first day in class he appeared outwardly pleasant, repeating his name so that we could get the pronunciation correct, and attempting something akin to a smile.

But he had a similar look in his eyes to the nuns, and I recognised it, and knew.

The eruption was not long in coming. A week after his arrival he took us to the school chapel, and on the steps afterwards he called a boy out for talking during the service.

When the boy smiled shyly with his response, the priest shrieked "You thinka me funny, eh? You thinka me funny eh!" In a single blurred motion he whipped his Bomb from his robes and lashed the barber's strap with the full force of his arm across the boy's face. The boy's head snapped back, and he staggered off across the steps, weeping.

Stunned by the reckless viciousness of the attack, the rest of us stood in silence while the priest eyed us screaming, "So, you thinka me funny, eh! Do you thinka me funny now, eh??" No one as much as breathed, eyes averted to the asphalt. Years later when Joe Pesci's demented character said much the same thing in Goodfellas, I recalled the priest from Italy.

The victim suffered bruising to his cheek in the assault, and I assumed his parents would contact the headmaster, if not the police. The priest was obviously nuts. But nothing happened. There was no apparent complaint, to the school or anyone else, and the priest soon went on a rampage, quivering each day before his manic beatings; quivering with what I would only later be able to identify as a kind of psychosexual lust.

Then we had the privilege of confessing our pathetic childlike sins to him in the confessional box, and kneeling in the pews for the penance he meted out.

One obvious reason nothing was done was other teachers were doing it too. One, who we had first period in the day, we would see marching across the schoolyard in a black flutter of robe, and arrive quaking with rage. On freezing midwinter mornings he lined us up shivering with cold and fear, and belted us all six of the best. This was simply the price for us turning up at school when he was in one of his moods, which could go on for weeks.

Sometimes only certain boys would be selected, other times it was everyone, the assaults going on for much of the period. But mostly his terror was random.

When later I studied sociology at university, I read that randomness is a defining feature of terror. If there is a discernible pattern, reason or imputable purpose to violence, the power of terror is diminished; rather it is the complete unpredictability of acts of violence which casts the true thrall of terror over the afflicted. So often the violence against us was arbitrary, random, and as such we were subjected to a kind of terrorism, an unholy war.

There was no doubt in my mind the school officialdom knew what was going on. The explosive sound of the Bomb carried down corridors, and out into the yards and grounds. It was no secret: many of the priests and brothers were perpetrators.

Such, I later realised, was the price children paid for the elders' precious oath of celibacy, an oath they dishonoured daily with their angst-driven sadism. Such acts could not be construed as punishment for misdeeds, but were part of the systematised abuse of children, at the very least condoned by the school executive.

My own response, as a small, quiet boy from the far side of the tracks, was to put my head down and keep it down, speaking only when spoken to. I studied as hard as one could in such disturbing circumstances, my only desire to finish school and get out. I was outwardly devout in religious matters, even though by now it all reeked of hypocrisy. I even invented a mental exercise in which I imagined myself to be invisible, so that the eye of fury might not alight upon me. As such I was perhaps doing what others did during the Inquisition, seeking refuge from a reign of terror through a self-conjured anonymity.

As time passed, I had increasing trouble sleeping, lying awake at night wondering how bad it would be the next day. My parents eventually noted my insomnia, and drew out of me what had been happening. I felt ashamed as I told them; not just the shame of the victim, but shame to be saying the priests of their church were not what my devout parents believed. To his enormous credit my father did what other parents seemingly had not done: he rang the headmaster and had words. Immediately after that the assaults moderated in frequency and in ferociousness, at least for a time.

Our school was not alone in such treatment. We now know that children in the Catholic system around the world suffered abuse at the hands of the very people entrusted with their care.

But at least it seems my classmates and I were largely spared (despite dark rumours from time to time) the practices that friends from other Catholic schools did not tell us about, because for so many reasons they could not, which was the criminal sexual abuse of many of them, a decades-long felony the church was at pains for so long to deny, intimidate against, cover up, pay off, shut up. Hounded towards the truth at last, it finally offered an apology.

But for the egregious acts of violence, which were perhaps far more widespread, there is as yet no repentance.

Some people may say that it was simply the times, that in decades past children were caned in government schools too, that corporal punishment was widespread throughout the educational system. True, children were caned in government schools, but not in the name of a God of compassion, not by one of that God's priests, and not delivered with the same twisted, psychosexual ferocity.

Others might say these things happened too long ago to concern us now, that it is all very different and enlightened nowadays. In the life of the Roman Catholic Church, the world's oldest corporate entity, decades are minutes, and they have long established form with the use of torture. One has only to remember the Inquisition. They burned Joan of Arc, they burned Giordano Bruno, they tortured and burned many, many people, all in the name of their God. What guarantee do we have that they would not lash out again, given the power, and the opportunity?

The criminal acts perpetrated upon children in decades still recent may pale against their vilest deeds in centuries gone, but these violated generations deserve at the very least a profound apology from the men they called father.

Larry Buttrose's most recent book is Dead Famous: Deaths Of The Famous And Famous Deaths. He is doing a PhD at the University of Adelaide.

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1. Comment #181757 by Colwyn Abernathy on May 18, 2008 at 7:00 am

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Larry Buttrose still marvels at the hypocrisy of a system he says violated generations of Catholic children.


You're posting these cuz of the names, aren't ya, Joshie-washie? ;) Who's next? Peter Chocastarfish? :P

EDIT:
my hand beaten hard and often so I could no longer hold my pencil in "the hand of the devil".


That would be me...er, a fellow Southpaw, not the devil. Good thing I was spared the Catholic upbringing my father had.

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2. Comment #181760 by Rufus08 on May 18, 2008 at 7:13 am

I don't think that the details of this essay come as a surprise to many people, catholic schooling is well known for producing this sort of behaviour which in turn seems to produce a lot of atheists. I think that Catholicism may have had a hand in it's recent decline.

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3. Comment #181761 by moniz on May 18, 2008 at 7:14 am

 avatarThough my catholic education was nowhere as bad as this, it had it's moments. This is why I really don't want to send my soon-to-be born child into a catholic school system. Still negotiating with the wife.(She's not devout, and open to a public school education, but feels duty in continuing the tradition of catholic school education of her family). We've already discussed That I will not lie to our children about the "grand questions" when I am asked. No religious BS from me.

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4. Comment #181762 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on May 18, 2008 at 7:16 am

 avatarThis is not hypocritical. This is education straight out of the Bible.

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5. Comment #181763 by riki on May 18, 2008 at 7:19 am

 avatarIn contrast I went to about eight different public schools throughout Australia during the 70's and up to the mid 80's but only remember one incident of a student receiving the cane.

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6. Comment #181766 by Raiko on May 18, 2008 at 7:36 am

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I don't think that the details of this essay come as a surprise to many people



Sadly not. That's exactly what I imagine catholic school a while back to be like. And I'm just happy I know no one who had to go through that. I would certainly not know how to make them forget.

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7. Comment #181769 by Drew on May 18, 2008 at 7:45 am

 avatarI went to Catholic schools during the 70's and 80's in Australia and this is exactly my experience. Use of a thick leather strap stitched together was an almost everyday occurrence. It was only eclipsed by a Year 6 (10-11 year-old's) teacher who used the edge of a metal ruler rapped across across the knuckles.

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8. Comment #181771 by riki on May 18, 2008 at 7:49 am

 avatarThe endless joy that religion brings. Looks like the inquisition is still alive and kicking.

Afghan student in torture claim

An Afghan student journalist who was sentenced to death for blasphemy has told an appeals court that he confessed after being tortured.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7407229.stm

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9. Comment #181776 by Cartomancer on May 18, 2008 at 8:03 am

 avatarCatholic thinking in education has always placed a strong emphasis on beatings in childhood. Medieval depictions of the seven liberal arts usually portray them as wise maidens, each bearing the tools of their particular art. Astronomy has an astrolabe or an armillary sphere, Music has a lyre or flute, Rhetoric has a speech written on parchment. Grammar, the first and most basic of the arts which was usually taught to children, is universally depicted with a stick for beating unruly charges when they get it wrong...

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10. Comment #181782 by Logicel on May 18, 2008 at 8:52 am

 avatarI was educated by Catholic nuns from the mid-fifties to the late sixties in NYC--no beatings (perhaps because they were all-girl schools), but the nuns, except for a couple of them (I still remember vividly an exceptional one, who gave me Sartre to read when I told her that life is absurd), stifled and crushed any expression of creativity/independence of thought and behavior by shunning, ridiculing, and accusing us of plagiarism (an essay of mine was rejected for a national contest because the head nun decided it was too intelligently written for dull little me) or being addicted to drugs (how else could I have written a short story about a junkie withdrawing if I did not have first-hand experience of drug withdrawal?) My significant art talent went largely unnoticed unless it was to force me to do a Thanksgiving card for the red-faced, blustering maniac who was the head nun.

They were for the most part, mean-spirited, frustrated, and an exceedingly stupid bunch of women with major fail dominating their miserable lives. Unfortunately for the students, their oppressive behavior never was challenged by parents at that time.

EDIT: I concluded, at the time, being the closet atheist that I was, that their fear of creativity was based on their belief that their god had a monopoly on creation.

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11. Comment #181784 by Prankster on May 18, 2008 at 8:55 am

 avatarAh yes the leather strap and frequent beatings in a "loving" catholic school......makes me pine for the good old days doesn't it?

My experiences while not as gruesome involved me tackling a mob of bullies, beating the shit out of the ringleader and 2 of his mates and receiving 12 of the best (6 on each hand) for defending myself...never quite got my head around that one.....

Still it hasn't......unngh!....woof! woof! aarrrghh! affected me in any way at all-howl! has it?

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12. Comment #181787 by mordacious1 on May 18, 2008 at 9:08 am

 avatarI wonder if the church would then move these priests to another school, far away. I know if they did that to me, if I didn't kick the snot out of them right away, I would have looked them up later. Remembering the priests I knew as a lad, they could probably be found at the local bar. "Do you think this is funny, priest?" Blow to right eye-socket.
I think in the old days they used to teach boxing at the seminary. Self-defense I suppose.

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13. Comment #181802 by Border Collie on May 18, 2008 at 9:33 am

 avatarNothing like being raised and or educated by psychopaths ... primary thing is ... go to therapy and don't become a psychopath yourself ...

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14. Comment #181804 by Ascaphus on May 18, 2008 at 9:34 am

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"Give us the boy at seven and we'll answer for the man"


Given the anti-religious outcome, this seems to give new meaning to the idea. I wonder if there isn't a more humane way to get new atheists.

Matt

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15. Comment #181816 by mordacious1 on May 18, 2008 at 9:57 am

 avatarBorder Collie

Therapy wasn't really common when I was a kid. The priest I had to deal with was eventually carted off, literally, in a strait jacket. I think I might have had something to do with that, as he threatened me with excommunication, and I said "Really! When?" He was never physical though, he just screamed alot. Hopefully, he got some help and left the church.

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16. Comment #181819 by qomak on May 18, 2008 at 10:03 am

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Within days she was belting us with a cane, and being a left-hander I was singled out for special treatment; my hand beaten hard and often so I could no longer hold my pencil in "the hand of the devil".


Funny, coming from a muslim country, I had a teacher who told me almost the same thing. He suggested I practice eating with the right hand; at the time I was confused as what's the point of going through such a trouble while I could use the left hand just fine.

Thankfully, we were not tortured and abused the way it's been mentioned here but at least our teachers were when they were young. I remember my arabic teacher reciting a vivid experience of how his old teacher beat him up bloody for good for something which was entirely the old teacher's fault.

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17. Comment #181850 by dansam on May 18, 2008 at 11:59 am

Reading this disturbing tale of abuse makes me physically ill. If I had a child that experienced this type of torture, I'm ashamed to say that I might lose my composure, follow the example set by these "men of god", and beat the holy shit out of them!

I (of course) would then repent.... and then do it again! ;-)

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18. Comment #181857 by huzonfurst on May 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm

Agree, dansam. Nothing could stop me from marching into that "school," throwing that evil psychopath to the floor and stomping him to within an inch of his life - then happily taking the consequences with no remorse whatsoever.

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19. Comment #181862 by dansam on May 18, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Well.... I said that I would be "ashamed" to resort to violence. In fact, I would hope that I would be able to resist the impulse to commit a crime regardless of how justified it might seem. I consider the abuse of children to be by far the most reprehensible crime that can be committed and as such I "fear" I might "lose it".

That said... I feel compelled to state for the record (although it sounds sappy) that violence is wrong.

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20. Comment #181870 by SRWB on May 18, 2008 at 1:59 pm

I wonder if Larry ever returned to the school as an adult and made his displeasure known. As a kid, I attended a nominally Catholic school (only because it was close by) where corporal punishment was no longer, if it ever was, de rigeur. But we had a particular prick of a teacher who enjoyed rapping his knuckles on some of our heads. While we were no "angels", I did not take kindly to this and after a while informed my father. He promptly paid a visit to said institution of learning and informed the principal that if anyone would rap knuckles on heads it would be him doing so. Miraculously, we were never touched again!

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21. Comment #181879 by Wosret on May 18, 2008 at 2:55 pm

 avatarThis disgusts me. This reminds me of a dark moment in Canadian history, when a plan was passed by the government known as "white paper" that forcefully removed native children from their homes, and attempted to essimilate them by putting them into catholic schools. Where they were taught that their cultural traditions were evil, their families were hell bound, and were beaten for speaking any native langauges, some of which didn't know english. They were physically mentally and sexually abused under catholic reign, for I believe more than a decade before it was defeated in court. I believe pyschologists have pointed to this event to explain the increase and violence in native communitees in the decades following.

It seems that the catholic educational system is where society's sick and twisted find their home.

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22. Comment #181882 by HoyaSaxa87 on May 18, 2008 at 3:14 pm

I now have a new comeback for people who push the, "if not from god, then where do you get morals?" argument. Catholic schools stop beating their kids when it becomes illegal, and it clearly doesn't take a religious person to figure out it's immoral.

That said, if i had kids and a teacher beat them, I'd be tempted to hurt them, but instead, I'd just have them sent to jail where they'd get done to them what priests did to children from decades. (and if they were acquitted, then i'd hurt them).

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23. Comment #181887 by huzonfurst on May 18, 2008 at 3:27 pm

Dansam, there is no shame in protecting one's family by whatever means necessary. Violence is a last resort but sometimes that's all that's left. In a case such as this, also, violence is almost demanded by our genes; having a child purposely injured is so beyond the pale that "getting medieval" on the perpetrator is an instinctive response, and I can't imagine a jury would convict the parent with more than a symbolic slap on the wrist.

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24. Comment #181899 by supernorbert on May 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm

 avatarThe treatment of "fallen women" by the catholic church was very similar to this.

Here's a link to a real shocking BBC4 Documentary on the infamous Magdalene Asylums


Sex in a Cold Climate (on Google Video)


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25. Comment #181918 by utelme on May 18, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Gave me a feeling of deja vu reading this article. The cane from frustrated nuns for crossing my legs (never understood the significance), slap in the face from the priest outside church ( I was outside the church getting ready to escape and avoid mass)lol.

I can never understand why some people are so surprised at the sadism in catholic schools of the past when the church leaders glory in the belief that they are going to watch with delight the sinner in hell being tortured forever (Tertullian). Talk about a loony, topsy turvy belief system.

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26. Comment #181929 by MattInOz on May 18, 2008 at 8:21 pm

Aussie Catholic "education" from Years 1 to 12 for me, largely from the boys in dresses.

Weapons of choice are seared on my brain even though I largely managed to avoid it all. (sometimes you just couldn't no matter how well behaved you were)

Year 1 - wooden metre-long ruler, used to 'play cricket' where YOU were the ball.

Year 2 - feather duster called "Earnie"

Year 3,4 - nice (female) teachers

NB my priest from this early era served jail time.

Year 5 - mini cricket bat called "Killer" with name of each year's 'first-struck' inscribed upon the face - I kid you not.

Year 6 - 5 foot long bamboo cane

Year 7 - 6-ply stitched leather strap (I think called 'Thrasher' though wouldn't swear to this one)

Year 8 - metal foot long ruler over the back of the knuckles (the wielder of which is also in jail for more notorious deeds)

Years 9-12 - a noticably declining use of the bamboo cane, generally restricted in application to headmaster.
(After all, we were entering the nineties by now!!! - yes, can you believe that.)

Aaaah, the beauties of religion.

Matt

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27. Comment #181936 by Drew on May 18, 2008 at 9:02 pm

 avatarI'd forgotten the meter-long ruler. I truly wonder where they got these 6-ply stitched leather straps from. They seem to be ubiquitous in the catholic school culture of that time.

In year 8 we had a 'christian brother' who kept what we referred to as the gestapo file. It was a thick black leather-bound book in which he would dutifully inscribe the name, punishment and imagined transgression of each boy he assaulted. It went back years. The more I think about it the creepier it becomes.

This same man gave me '6 of the best' for being struck by an orange thrown by another boy.

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28. Comment #181942 by dansam on May 18, 2008 at 9:38 pm

huzonfurst,

Although we certainly agree in spirit and my reptilian brain would *fantasize* about beating the crap out of these assholes, I don't think violence in this case is justified AFTER the fact. Catching someone IN the act of hurting your (or for that matter anyone's) child is a different story.

Although a jury would probably not convict you, I submit that they would be wrong.

Dan
A card carrying member of the ACLU

I include a beautiful quote by MLK Jr below.
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"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."

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29. Comment #181951 by Noodly on May 18, 2008 at 10:12 pm

 avatarMy father was beaten by the "Christian"? Brothers at school, but luckily he decided he couldn't afford to send me to the Catholic boarding school he had in mind. An uncle on the other side of the family was sexually abused by one of them.

In order to lighten the mood a little, let me tell you about my friend's sister who went to a Convent school in the early 1970's and was taken on a school trip to London to see the Shakespeare play they were studying. The nuns and girls all settled into their seats in expectation, the curtain went up and a full frontal naked man launched into the avant garde production.

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30. Comment #181956 by Raiko on May 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm

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This same man gave me '6 of the best' for being struck by an orange thrown by another boy.


What an offense. I think it's those things that show you that the punishment has little to do with punishing anyone for anything, but with disgusting, personal pleasure.

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31. Comment #181959 by MelM on May 18, 2008 at 11:34 pm

I watched the video contained in this comment by supernorbert. It'll make you sad and very angry. I'm wondering what makes this rotten cult so evil.
24. Comment #181899 by supernorbert on May 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm

The treatment of "fallen women" by the catholic church was very similar to this.

Here's a link to a real shocking BBC4 Documentary on the infamous Magdalene Asylums

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1732953937770017672


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32. Comment #181977 by detox on May 19, 2008 at 1:56 am

 avatarThe title of this article is "Surviving an unholy school war". Granted, there is nothing 'holy' about physical abuse but I hardly think the term 'war' is appropriate. Surely a state of war exists between enemy combatants on different sides of a political or ideological divide. Or, of course, a religious division.

To say that the children were at war would be to miss the point that they were at school to receive an education and to have the wisdom of their teachers imparted to them. Teacher and pupil on the same side in the pursuit of education. Sadly, when the defenceless are bullied and abused by the authorities that is not 'war', that is totalitarianism.

A concept that has just occurred to me is 'dual level totalitarianism' (for want of a better expression). You exist in an environment of complete subjugation to the authorities (in my case catholic boarding school) where the Jesuits have absolute power over every waking moment of your existence. If that wasn't sufficient they impose the ultimate terror of an omniscient being from whose omnipotence there is no escape, even in the dark, even in your head, even after death.

On the subject of being beaten, in my experience, the pain was transitory - it hurt for a while, you got over it. What was far more insidious was the fear of pain. If you 'misbehaved' you could be ordered 'cracks' which meant that rather than being beaten on the spot you had to report at 6pm to a certain teacher who would administer the beating. It's not the pain that hurts, it's the long, slow hours of anticipating the pain. You turn up at Mr Smith's office,

"Sir, Mr Jones has ordered me six."

"Hold out your hand, boy". Crack, crack, crack etc.

"Thank you very much, sir". Having thanked the man for beating you, you could return to your studies reflecting on how lucky you were to be receiving such a wonderful education, how much your parents obviously loved you and how blessed you were to be loved by god.

You don't 'survive' that type of education in the same way you survive a typhoon or an earthquake but the scars are still evident....

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33. Comment #181978 by MagratGarlick on May 19, 2008 at 2:10 am

"Dansam, there is no shame in protecting one's family by whatever means necessary."


Beating up someone who has previously harmed your family, but is no longer in a position to do so is not 'protecting your family', it is vengeance. It achieves nothing but giving you the same kind of sadistic pleasure in another person's pain that we are condemning these Catholic teachers for.

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34. Comment #181980 by ridelo on May 19, 2008 at 2:39 am

 avatarIf all those brainwashed Catholics could become atheists, then there's hope for the Muslims and the creationist Christians too.

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35. Comment #181987 by hungarianelephant on May 19, 2008 at 3:48 am

 avatarI think we're in danger of missing one of the key points here, which is the collaboration of the parents.

If you were on the receiving end of corporal punishment, you didn't tell your parents, because that would make it worse. The treatment was being administered by priests and nuns, the upstanding representatives of the church. Ergo, they must be right, you must have done something wrong and you were deserving of further punishment.

This is one of the most malign aspects of religion. The priests were given too much trust, especially with children and the vulnerable. There's no doubt that this very factor led to a great deal of the sexual abuse perpetrated by priests. Paedophiles signed up for the preisthood precisely because it would give them trusted access to children: see Ferns report on clerical sexual abuse in Co. Wexford.

Left to their own devices, the congregation are much more reasonable, pragmatic and "Christian" people than their leaders. There might have been a general prejudice against homosexuals, but the fact that Uncle Tom and "Uncle" Sean shared a house and were obviously rather close would be ignored until the priest started fulminating against them. Even Bishop Casey, who had a child in America and raided church funds to look after him, has been accepted back by his former congregation, who would have every right to brand him a hypocrite and a sinner.

Btw, I'd recommend the film "Song For A Raggy Boy", which is about institutional abuse in an industrial school (the last of which was only closed in the 1990s). Not sure how widely available it is outside Ireland.

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36. Comment #181992 by Roland_F on May 19, 2008 at 4:10 am

The beating of children seems to be quite a fundamentalist Christian, not only Catholic pattern.
I come along several post of parents describing the belting of their children during the last month following links here to other fora and here at RD.Net testimonies of victims, describing of being locked into the cabinet by their Bible belt parents and have to recite Bible psalms in the dark.

When it would not be priest acting in the name of God, these sadistic teachers and pedophile priest would be in jail, but often enough the victims and their parents are shy or mobbed from the neighbors if speaking out against the 'holy men'.

What these sadistic persons (priest and brutal parents alike) fail to understand is that the most submissive and intensive/ long lasting love and fear of God is achieved by randomize beating and hugging, so the victim is never sure what comes next and is especially devote. Only beating or only love is not achieving the maximal long lasting indoctrination. So maybe the Vatican should stronger announce these guidelines to achieve maximal indoctrination.

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37. Comment #182007 by mmurray on May 19, 2008 at 5:36 am

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Beating up someone who has previously harmed your family, but is no longer in a position to do so is not 'protecting your family', it is vengeance. It achieves nothing but giving you the same kind of sadistic pleasure in another person's pain that we are condemning these Catholic teachers for.


And also lays you wide open to an assault charge or worse should perhaps the person have a weak heart and die as a result of your punch.

Far better to use assault laws against them than have them used you. Get the teacher charged with assault and bring a civil action against the religious order and the school for everything you can get.

Of course back in the 60/70's the teacher would possible have got off on the grounds that schools were allowed to do this kind of thing. In the late 60's I went to a state run primary school in rural Australia where the principal used a leather strap on primary age kids.

Michael

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38. Comment #182009 by Lana on May 19, 2008 at 5:37 am

I second the comments of hungarianelephant. When I was in Catholic school in the 50's and 60's, the nuns would smack our hands with rulers. We wouldn't dare tell our parents because we'd get spanked by them under the theory that Sister must have had a good reason.

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39. Comment #182032 by nalfeshnee on May 19, 2008 at 6:24 am

 avatarFull marks for the article writer pointing out the sexual roots of the priests' sadism.

Another quote I like concerning violence is that which I remember from an Asimov book. One of the characters in the book had it on a plaque above his desk:

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

And so it is.

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40. Comment #182066 by squinky on May 19, 2008 at 7:20 am

 avatarI don't believe in 'turn the other check'.

I'm 'an eye for and eye' kind of person.

Thus everyone who was abused by a nun or priest in the past should come forward and exact your pound of flesh. A little penance for the devout would surely help for past sinful conduct. Step right up victims and smack the crap out of these sadists.

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41. Comment #182079 by dansam on May 19, 2008 at 7:43 am

MagratGarlick,

If you read my later posts, we agree.

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42. Comment #182121 by mixmastergaz on May 19, 2008 at 8:50 am

 avatarAlthough I was fortunate not to suffer to the same extent the sort of abuses described above, much of it is very familiar. I too can recall the feelings of silent outrage at the hypocrisy, lack of charity, compassion and basic common decency exhibited by pious teachers. Invariably, those who had taken holy orders of some sort were the worst transgressors. It is not an exaggeration to say that it was this, as much as critical thinking and reflection on religion, that led to my becoming an atheist. I can also recall the distinct impression that the worst tormentors seemed positively and unashamedly to enjoy dishing out their excessively cruel punishments. I can't bring myself to believe that this isn't exactly how many of these perverts would behave if they managed to turn back the clock on the progress that has been made since their 'reign of terror' ended in this part of the world at least if not elsewhere.

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43. Comment #182242 by supernorbert on May 19, 2008 at 1:48 pm

 avatarThe movie "Song for a raggy boy" mentioned in
36. Comment #181987 by hungarianelephant

is available on You Tube:

Song For A Raggy Boy (You Tube)

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44. Comment #182303 by Greyman on May 19, 2008 at 4:09 pm

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By way of contrast, I had a nice Aussie public schooling where the worst chastisement I ever received was verbal. No ranting or raving, just a good stern talking to.

Corporal punishment did exist durring my schooling years, but was gradually phased out of use. It was more and more generally seen by teachers as a last resort type of thing. It died a slow death by disuse and, in Queensland, they finally bothered to actually ban it in 1995.



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45. Comment #182310 by mmurray on May 19, 2008 at 4:28 pm

 avatarOne of the ironic things about corporal punishment is that the children get bigger. I spent my last two years of schooling in a Marist Brothers College. Although it was mid 70's one or two of the Brothers still used the cane. But it was a kind of public admission of incompetence as they were the ones who couldn't control the class and as the kids were mostly pretty large by then they could wear the pain of six of the best. One class was famous for having decided on the last day of term to have a competition to see who could get caned the most. I expect the Brother involved put his back out with the effort. The good teachers (some were not Brothers and some where) had that effortless control of the class where somehow you knew when you walked in your were not going to mess about.

I guess all I learnt from this that nothing makes you look more like a pathetic human being than losing total control of yourself and belting someone with a cane.

Michael

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46. Comment #182314 by Bluff_King_Hal on May 19, 2008 at 4:41 pm

My Catholic upbringing wasnt as severe as this but still involved cruel beatings. Yes State schools used beatings too but probably not as often or as severely. I stayed in a Catholic student hostel and the hate just seemed to radiate off the incredibly screwed up nuns. The physical brutality and sexual perversity of that religion are incalculable.

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47. Comment #182321 by huzonfurst on May 19, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Whoa, Magrat, you're being rather judgmental in assuming that doing this would give me any kind of pleasure at all; as I said, I would be compelled to do it. You also said "by someone who was no longer a threat," and I wonder how you came to that conclusion?

And until you walk in those shoes, I suggest that you lay off the finger-wagging.

Mmurray, I also said I would take the consequences. The fact that a person can actually be prosecuted for protecting his own children is one of the many reasons I have sheer contempt for the broken legal system in the USA. If you ask me, it's perfectly reasonable if someone breaks into your house while you are there to shoot first and ask questions later, because how would you know what their intentions are? I've also known people who have been harassed by frivolous and malicious lawsuits, which since we don't have "loser pays" here end up costing the victims thousands of dollars to "win." Yet the laughingly-named legal "profession" allows this to continue in the name of profits for the attorneys on both sides.

By the way, if I ever did have to take aim at someone it would be with a rifle because I've always been in favor of banning handguns outright.

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48. Comment #182355 by BeyondBelief on May 19, 2008 at 8:28 pm

 avatarAs if the world needs another testimonial to Catholic school abuse... but here I go anyway.

The Irish Sisters of Mercy (irony of ironies) serving my small Western United States school, worked the gamut. I personally received the metal ruler edges across the knuckles, leather razor straps on the palms, wooden paddles, and ... in a bit of good ol' Americanly ingenious escalation, the wooden paddle drilled with dozens of 1/2" holes to reduce wind resistance.

And for a frame of reference, this was 1972 to 1980.

I was not, however, on the receiving end of the most spontaneous and improvisational punishment I have ever seen: Sister Benedict, infuriated that a student had violated the "one-day borrowing of reference materials" from the library, proceeded to whale on the head of a young girl repeatedly with the "O" volume of the encyclopedia Brittanica. "You bold disgrace!! Have you no respect for the rules?" I'm shocked she did not receive a concussion.

Irish Catholicism: The most virulent strain. The strain that helped push me to atheism.

Cheers!!

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49. Comment #182504 by arogop on May 20, 2008 at 9:26 am

 avatarI went to a public school in rural Wisconsin and the teachers would hit kids from '78 to '82. They stopped mostly cause at the older grade levels the teachers were old and too feeble.

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50. Comment #182530 by Bandit 19 on May 20, 2008 at 11:01 am

 avatarCatholic School '73-'81

If there is one thing that ever turned me away from religion it was Catholic school.

Unfortunately many are not strong enough to rail against these established institutions because they know they will most likely lose their families as well. They are appeasers and have my sympathy but not my respect

I too have had the pleasure of the yard stick treatment. It was commonly used on edge for the obvious aerodynamic advantage. [Ancient nun ninja technique no doubt]
In the second grade I was walking up a flight of stairs and made the mistake of using the handrail which apparently was an action that deserved a beating. This was the catalyst of quiet rebellion. For the next 6 years I steadily became more angry and distrustful of the adults in my life. I found refuge in a set of encyclopedias. Why do they not believe me? Why are they lying to me? Children should never have to ask these questions. They need to be protected from such vile organizations.

At the age of 15 while eating dinner on Easter Sunday (Large Irish Catholic family gathering) an Aunt declared theatrically and snidely "...has everyone heard that Patrick doesn't believe in god?" After several seconds of uncomfortable and menacing quiet I stood and replied "No, I gave it up for Lent"

I've never been back.

-Cheers

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