Town moves against Islamic school2. Comment #184832 by riki on May 26, 2008 at 9:17 am
3. Comment #184835 by Granton on May 26, 2008 at 9:23 am
This story doesn't have anything to do with religion does it? Just race.4. Comment #184837 by padster1976 on May 26, 2008 at 9:30 am
5. Comment #184839 by History_Junky on May 26, 2008 at 9:32 am
6. Comment #184848 by esuther on May 26, 2008 at 9:39 am
More and more I am for enforced secularism, as in the French schools. If schoolchildren are required by federal law to attend public school, they can do their voodoo, sorry, religious study on the weekend the way kids have been doing it for decades. The whole idea of a Catholic School, a Yeshiva, or a Muslim 'school' (which is the same as a Yeshiva) is repugnant to me -- regardless of how liberal or enlightened the curriculum might be.7. Comment #184853 by Corylus on May 26, 2008 at 9:48 am
Why, for example, is this Muslim community building a school so far away from Sydney, where all the students live?Good question. I have been wondering that myself. I can only presume that the land is cheaper.
8. Comment #184854 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 9:50 am
Racism.9. Comment #184860 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 9:56 am
Well, you have to have a lot of land for a shooting range and the monkey bars that they keep showing on tv when talking about terrorist training camps. Oh, and the exposives lab (part of the chemistry department) takes up a lot of space. (this is sarcasm, so don't yell at me)10. Comment #184863 by Tenochtitlan on May 26, 2008 at 9:59 am
11. Comment #184867 by hungarianelephant on May 26, 2008 at 10:05 am
Muslims do not fit in this town. We are Aussies, OK
12. Comment #184868 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 10:06 am
Like my ignorant father used to say: "I'm not racist. I just don't like blacks, mexicans, A-rabs, Jews, etc etc". I've heard this crap before.13. Comment #184869 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 10:08 am
hungarianelephant14. Comment #184870 by hungarianelephant on May 26, 2008 at 10:13 am
15. Comment #184871 by lozzer on May 26, 2008 at 10:14 am
16. Comment #184872 by Granton on May 26, 2008 at 10:15 am
hungarian elephant.17. Comment #184873 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 10:20 am
hungarian18. Comment #184874 by hungarianelephant on May 26, 2008 at 10:20 am
19. Comment #184875 by bugaboo on May 26, 2008 at 10:21 am
Comment #184867 by hungarianelephant20. Comment #184876 by hungarianelephant on May 26, 2008 at 10:21 am
No questions, but I know racism when I see it.
21. Comment #184879 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 10:25 am
I didn't say islam, I said muslim.22. Comment #184882 by Granton on May 26, 2008 at 10:28 am
Hungarianelephant23. Comment #184883 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 10:33 am
The town will problably ban the school. Next year they will build a christian mega church on the site.24. Comment #184887 by hungarianelephant on May 26, 2008 at 10:46 am
25. Comment #184888 by EvidenceOnly on May 26, 2008 at 10:47 am
The United Nations should ban ALL religions from getting involved in education of anyone.26. Comment #184889 by KRKBAB on May 26, 2008 at 10:48 am
Granton, here is how a Muslim could integrate: by adhering to all of the governmental laws; not EVER trying to insitute "sharia"; and by granting all Muslim women the rights that the laws of Australia grant. Also, this "school" should not be allowed to be built or any other faith based school. Obviously, any previously built shit based, I mean faith based schools should remain, but faith based education taking the place of a secular education should not be allowed for ANY child (or adult) IMHO. These Aussies are partially right, as long as they would be this adverse to ANY religious school. (I realize the obvious zenophobia amongst some of them but perhaps not amongst all of them)27. Comment #184890 by phil rimmer on May 26, 2008 at 10:50 am
28. Comment #184891 by Count von Count on May 26, 2008 at 10:53 am
29. Comment #184893 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on May 26, 2008 at 10:58 am
Thats pretty sad that they are using Islam as a way to safely be outwardly racist and xenophobic. Of course im not referring to all of the opposition but it seems as if their is a visible group that clearly has some racial agenda.
30. Comment #184895 by Stew282 on May 26, 2008 at 11:04 am
31. Comment #184897 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 11:09 am
Steve32. Comment #184900 by Epinephrine on May 26, 2008 at 11:23 am
33. Comment #184902 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 11:36 am
Years ago, some local muslims built a mosque two blocks from my house. As I was riding my bike to University, I'd pass by and we'd wave. Eventually, I met most of the members and we became friends. I even helped two of them get jobs at the hospital where I worked. These were nice, hardworking, moderate muslims. They had nice families and from what I could tell, the women were treated as well, if not better, than some christian women I knew. Most were working or going to University. Unfortunately, by the time I had entered graduate school, the mosque was taken over by some real nut jobs. All my friends had left and started a new mosque across town.34. Comment #184907 by Stew282 on May 26, 2008 at 11:50 am
35. Comment #184908 by Epinephrine on May 26, 2008 at 11:52 am
36. Comment #184910 by Paine on May 26, 2008 at 11:56 am
Isn't it sad, horribly pathetic, that the only people willing to stand up to religious indoctrination in Australia are a bunch of racist hicks?37. Comment #184912 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on May 26, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Isn't it sad, horribly pathetic, that the only people willing to stand up to religious indoctrination in Australia are a bunch of racist hicks?Yes as it is in Britain. It is pathetic.
38. Comment #184914 by huzonfurst on May 26, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Since when is opposition to Islam a "racist" attitude? Racism is a fighting word brought up whenever any group being opposed for whatever reason has run out of excuses for its bad behavior: illegal immigrants in the US call controls on immigration racist; thin-skinned Jews call anything remotely critical of Israel anti-semitic (which doesn't distinguish jews from arabs, strictly speaking); and politically-correct idiots call damn near everything racist at one time or another!39. Comment #184915 by Acitta on May 26, 2008 at 12:15 pm
The Australian constitution provides for freedom of religion (http://scaleplus.law.gov.au/html/pasteact/1/641/0/PA001400.htm), so if the town prohibited this school because of it's religious nature, it would seem that they would open themselves up to a legal challenge. If we are to live in free societies, we cannot prevent people from choosing to freely organize themselves around ideas and beliefs that we disagree with or see as irrational.40. Comment #184920 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 12:26 pm
These "hicks" aren't standing up against religious indoctrination, they just don't like the religion that is being indoctrinated.41. Comment #184925 by huzonfurst on May 26, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Guess what - I *do* care what these nutters believe, because some of what they believe entails monstrous violations of basic human rights! Why must "freedom of religion" allow the continued indoctrination into such vicious ideas?42. Comment #184928 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 1:00 pm
OK one more post then I'm shutting up. I despise all religions, I do not have a problem with that. But here in the U.S. we are protecting that whacko poligamist sect in Texas (they just let the women and kids go back to the "compound"), and yet a town is discriminating against some muslims because of what they might stand for. I don't like islam either. So tighten the laws and throw these f-tards in jail, but do it across the board. Don't single out one group and let another rape kids.43. Comment #184930 by Border Collie on May 26, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Hey, Islam is a religion of peace ... and Ebola is a benign infection.44. Comment #184931 by huzonfurst on May 26, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Once again this website won't let me edit a previous comment: the last line in my previous message was supposed to be "what are you, some kind of elitist (another word that is badly abused by the PC crowd these days)?"45. Comment #184932 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 1:06 pm
huzon46. Comment #184933 by Epinephrine on May 26, 2008 at 1:11 pm
You can't tell people what to believe, but we sure as hell have a right to be concerned with what they do
47. Comment #184943 by MaxD on May 26, 2008 at 1:29 pm
48. Comment #184949 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 2:07 pm
I keep promising to shut up, but here I go again. I have to admit, that my moderate friends at the mosque were american born, most several generations. The guys that moved in were from another country, not sure which, and I suppose that is where the problem lies. The radical mosque spent its time recruiting black students and one of my black friends said they were teaching that the only way blacks were going to get real freedom was through violence. So I do understand where the fear of these people comes from, but I'd hate to be a decent muslim and be lumped in with all these whackos.49. Comment #184953 by huzonfurst on May 26, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Indeed. If the US truly had state/church separation there would be *no* tax breaks at all. Every time some dingy old fool wills a house to a church it comes off the property tax rolls and forces the rest of us to make up the difference. This is a huge problem, worse in the East only because it's been occupied longer. It's time to take all this property back, by persuasion if possible but if not by force as in Mexico in the 19th century. It was acquired under false pretenses, after all.50. Comment #184955 by mordacious1 on May 26, 2008 at 2:24 pm
No tax breaks for churches, pay off the national debt in no time. Sounds great, the property tax in CA alone would bring in billions.
1. Comment #184826 by tieInterceptor on May 26, 2008 at 9:09 am
Separation of communities by religious education is the worst damage we can do to children. And on top of that, not all religions are equal in their understanding and tolerance of other faiths, and specially of no faith at all.
Islam is well known for its hardcore intolerance, and it's outspokenly and anti-democracy, and considers separation of church and state a sin.
We must wake up quickly to that fact, before we have a large minority that has the right to vote, and wants to take away our right to vote. Or we end with fake elections like in Iran.
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