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Tuesday, June 3, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document A New Step In Evolution

by Carl Zimmer

Thanks to Calilasseia for the link.

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php

A New Step In Evolution

One of the most important experiments in evolution is going on right now in a laboratory in Michigan State University. A dozen flasks full of E. coli are sloshing around on a gently rocking table. The bacteria in those flasks has been evolving since 1988--for over 44,000 generations. And because they've been so carefully observed all that time, they've revealed some important lessons about how evolution works.

The experiment was launched by MSU biologist Richard Lenski. I wrote about Lenski's work last year in the New York Times, and in more detail my new book Microcosm. Lenski started off with a single microbe. It divided a few times into identical clones, from which Lenski started 12 colonies. He kept each of these 12 lines in its own flask. Each day he and his colleagues provided the bacteria with a little glucose, which was gobbled up by the afternoon. The next morning, the scientists took a small sample from each flask and put it in a new one with fresh glucose. And on and on and on, for 20 years and running.

Based on what scientists already knew about evolution, Lenski expected that the bacteria would experience natural selection in their new environment. In each generation, some of the microbes would mutate. Most of the mutations would be harmful, killing the bacteria or making them grow more slowly. Others would be beneficial allowing them to breed faster in their new environment. They would gradually dominate the population, only to be replaced when a new mutation arose to produce an even fitter sort of microbe.

Lenski used a simple but elegant method to find out if this would happen. He froze some of the original bacteria in each line, and then froze bacteria every 500 generations. Whenever he was so inclined, he could go back into this fossil record and thaw out some bacteria, bringing them back to life. By putting the newest bacteria in his lines in a flask along with their ancestors, for example, he could compare how well the bacteria had adapted to the environment he had created.

Over the generations, in fits and starts, the bacteria did indeed evolve into faster breeders. The bacteria in the flasks today breed 75% faster on average than their original ancestor. Lenski and his colleagues have pinpointed some of the genes that have evolved along the way; in some cases, for example, the same gene has changed in almost every line, but it has mutated in a different spot in each case. Lenski and his colleagues have also shown how natural selection has demanded trade-offs from the bacteria; while they grow faster on a meager diet of glucose, they've gotten worse at feeding on some other kinds of sugars.

Last year Lenski was elected to the National Academy of Sciences. This week he is publishing an inaugural paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences with his student Zachary Blount and postdoc Christina Borland. Lenski told me about the discovery behind the paper when I first met him a few years ago. He was clearly excited, but he wasn't ready to go public. There were still a lot of tests to run to understand exactly what had happened to the bacteria.

Now they're sure. Out of the blue, their bacteria had abandoned Lenski's their glucose-only diet and had evolved a new way to eat.

After 33,127 generations Lenski and his students noticed something strange in one of the colonies. The flask started to turn cloudy. This happens sometimes when contaminating bacteria slip into a flask and start feeding on a compound in the broth known as citrate. Citrate is made up of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen; it's essentially the same as the citric acid that makes lemons tart. Our own cells produce citrate in the long chain of chemical reactions that lets us draw energy from food. Many species of bacteria can eat citrate, but in an oxygen-rich environment like Lenski's lab, E. coli can't. The problem is that the bacteria can't pull the molecule in through their membranes. In fact, their failure has long been one of the defining hallmarks of E. coli as a species.

If citrate-eating bacteria invade the flasks, however, they can feast on the abundant citrate, and their exploding population turns the flask cloudy. This has only happened rarely in Lenski's experiment, and when it does, he and his colleagues throw out the flask and start the line again from its most recently frozen ancestors.

But in one remarkable case, however, they discovered that a flask had turned cloudy without any contamination. It was E. coli chowing down on the citrate. The researchers found that when they put the bacteria in pure citrate, the microbes could thrive on it as their sole source of carbon.

In nature, there have been a few reports of E. coli that can feed on citrate. But these oddballs all acquired a ring of DNA called a plasmid from some other species of bacteria. Lenski selected a strain of E. coli for his experiments that doesn't have any plasmids, there were no other bacteria in the experiment, and the evolved bacteria remain plasmid-free. So the only explanation was that this one line of E. coli had evolved the ability to eat citrate on its own.

Blount took on the job of figuring out what happened. He first tried to figure out when it happened. He went back through the ancestral stocks to see if they included any citrate-eaters. For the first 31,000 generations, he could find none. Then, in generation 31,500, they made up 0.5% of the population. Their population rose to 19% in the next 1000 generations, but then they nearly vanished at generation 33,000. But in the next 120 generations or so, the citrate-eaters went berserk, coming to dominate the population.

This rise and fall and rise suggests that the evolution of citrate-eating was not a one-mutation affair. The first mutation (or mutations) allowed the bacteria to eat citrate, but they were outcompeted by some glucose-eating mutants that still had the upper hand. Only after they mutated further did their citrate-eating become a recipe for success.

The scientists wondered if other lines of E. coli carried some of these invisible populations of weak citrate-eaters. They didn't. This was quite remarkable. As I said earlier, Lenski's research has shown that in many ways, evolution is repeatable. The 12 lines tend to evolve in the same direction. (They even tend to get plump, for reasons yet to be understood.) Often these parallel changes are the result of changes to the same genes. And yet when it comes to citrate-eating, evolution seems to have produced a fluke.

To gauge the flukiness of the citrate-eaters, Blount and Lenski replayed evolution. They grew new populations from 12 time points in the 33,000-generations of pre-citrate-eating bacteria. They let the bacteria evolve for thousands of generations, monitoring them for any signs of citrate-eating. They then transferred the bacteria to Petri dishes with nothing but citrate to eat. All told, they tested 40 trillion cells. Here's a movie of what that looks like...



Out of that staggering hoard of bacteria, only a handful of citrate-eating mutants arose. None of the original ancestors or early predecessors gave rise to citrate-eaters; only later stages in the line could--mostly from 27,000 generations or beyond. Still, even among these later E. coli, the odds of evolving into a citrate-eater was staggeringly low, on the order of one-in-a-trillion.

Now the scientists must determine the precise genetic steps these bacteria took to evolve from glucose-eaters to citrate-eaters. In order to eat a particular molecule, E. coli needs a special channel in its membranes through which to draw it. It's possible, for example, that a channel dedicated to some other molecule mutated into a form that could also take in citrate. Later mutations could have fine-tuned it so that it could suck in citrate quickly.

If E. coli is defined as a species that can't eat citrate, does that mean that Lenski's team has witnessed the origin of a new species? The question is actually murkier than it seems, because the traditional concept of species doesn't fit bacteria very comfortably. (For the details, check out my new article on Scientific American, "What is a Species?") In nature, E. coli swaps lots of genes with other species. In just the past 15 years or so, for example, one disease-causing strain of E. coli acquired hundreds of genes not found in closely related E. coli strains. (See my recent article in Slate.) Another hallmark of E. coli is its ability to break down lactose, the sugar in milk. But several strains have lost the ability to break it down. (In fact, these strains were originally given a different name--Shigella--until scientists realized that they were just weird strains of E. coli.)

Nevertheless, Lenski and his colleagues have witnessed a significant change. And their new paper makes clear that just because the odds of such a significant change are incredibly rare doesn't mean that it can't happen. Natural selection, in fact, ensures that sometimes it does. And, finally, it demonstrates that after twenty years, Lenski's invisible dynasty still has some surprises in store.

Source: Z.D. Blount, C.Z. Borland, and R.E. Lenski, "HI istorical Contigency and the Evolution of a Key Innovation in an Experimental Population of Escherichia coli." PNAS in press (http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.0803151105) [Link will go live at some point this week]

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1. Comment #188058 by logicalbasedreality on June 3, 2008 at 7:24 am

 avatarFabulous! I would love to learn what mechanism ingested the citrate.

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2. Comment #188059 by PJG on June 3, 2008 at 7:26 am

 avatarSadly, those who deny that populations evolve are unlikely to read this - or, even if they do, will say, "it's still a bacteria".

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3. Comment #188087 by logicalbasedreality on June 3, 2008 at 7:59 am

 avataryes the whole micro versus macro evolution.

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4. Comment #188089 by rod-the-farmer on June 3, 2008 at 8:00 am

 avatarHah. This is just too neat. Didn't someone come up with a bacterium that digests oil spills ? All you would have to do is make sure it did not escape into the wild.

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5. Comment #188099 by Szkeptik on June 3, 2008 at 8:17 am

But it didn't turn into a bird so it's not evidence for evolution.

The ignorant and stupid have spoken.

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6. Comment #188108 by terradea on June 3, 2008 at 8:30 am

Fun, interesting read. I want more!

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7. Comment #188118 by Dax on June 3, 2008 at 8:37 am

So did he see the E.coli change into a Platypus? No? Then evolution is not true and by definition Creationism is. Praise the Lord!

FYI, I'm not serious. This research is pretty awesome. I know of some other groups who are performing similar experiments. I believe there's a group in Nijmegen, The Netherlands (IIRC) who's doing something like this with S. cerevisiae, a.k.a. Baker's yeast.

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8. Comment #188158 by kraut on June 3, 2008 at 9:32 am

I remember a video shown in PBS where one "ID" advocate said that is was never shown over generations of bacteria that they develop new traits.

Another one down.

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9. Comment #188160 by jhegg on June 3, 2008 at 9:34 am

Wow! This is really incredible research. I must be a scientist if my heartrate increases when I read about an elegant and important piece of research. Or mabye it is the pavlovian response to any piece of research with the ability to metaphorically clobber a creationist into a pile of argumentative jelly.

Seriously though, this is awesome. I worked with a company for a while attempting to evolve a xylose eating Sacchromyces from bioengineered and wild type strains (Dax @ 7, I have heard about the attempt in the Netherlands as well). It isn't an easy thing to do even when you prime the pump by adding the nessecary genes and trying to optimize them through evolution. It is impressive to see how adaptable the little buggers are, even without evolving novel membrane protiens.

To see a strain evolve something so drastic is a bit magical and makes me all weak in the knees.

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10. Comment #188172 by Tezcatlipoca on June 3, 2008 at 9:48 am

 avatarYahoo! Michigan State University!

To balance the scales however, I was driving by and say a mobile billboard go by that had 4000 b.s. and dinosaurs. I'm guessing it was an advert for a young earth bible camp. Still, Yahoo MSU!

edit-hahaha I can't believe I put b.s. after the 4000...b.c. it must have been subconcious

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11. Comment #188182 by SteveN on June 3, 2008 at 10:13 am

 avatarThis is sooooooo coooooool! How are the creos going to argue that all mutations are negative given such a detailed series of precise experiments, I wonder?
Ah, of course. By totally ignoring or misunderstanding the data. Silly me.

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12. Comment #188186 by LaTomate on June 3, 2008 at 10:19 am

 avatarI must admit I was kind of hoping he'd knock all of those flasks over in the vid.

I know, it's mean.

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13. Comment #188187 by William1w1 on June 3, 2008 at 10:20 am

To those of you who have said that the creationists will still deny macro-evolution, just tell them the story about the lizards on the island. Thirty years and they develop a new organ. At long last, when creationists complain that we do not see macro-evolution, we can point out the lizard experiment. They will finally see the flaw in their ways... Of course, they still have that bullet-proof "God is testing our faith" argument.

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14. Comment #188194 by Partisan on June 3, 2008 at 10:29 am

 avatarThis is actually very useful when arguing IDiots and their claim that micro evolution can never mean macro as genetic "information" can't increase...well, here it is, E.Coli with the ability to digest citrates where none could before. This link is going to be well used by me.

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15. Comment #188204 by DamnDirtyApe on June 3, 2008 at 10:45 am

 avatarBeautiful. That's the outstanding 'shoulders of giants' kind of research that really prooves things...

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16. Comment #188208 by righton on June 3, 2008 at 10:52 am

They should sequence the genomes of the starting frozen E. coli and the current citrate eating E. coli then compare. Genome sequencing is getting a lot easier these days.

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17. Comment #188216 by Henri Bergson on June 3, 2008 at 11:24 am

 avatarThis sounds worryingly like a possible proof for Henri Bergson's 'Creative Evolution' theory...

Mutation seems to involve as yet unknown factors, factors which science will hopefully soon discover.

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18. Comment #188223 by King of NH on June 3, 2008 at 11:42 am

 avatarAs a molecular biology major I tried this experiment with brewers yeast. Now I'm a liberal arts major. This is a dangerous experiment.

Kidding. This is great. Being able to creat speciation in a lab is a magnificent step toward understanding evolution's many twists and turns. To hell with the people who don't believe in science. This is a victory for us simply because it's the beauty of science and research leading to understanding. That might be the brewers yeast talking, though.

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19. Comment #188235 by righton on June 3, 2008 at 11:56 am

Henri Bergson wrote:

"This sounds worryingly like a possible proof for Henri Bergson's 'Creative Evolution' theory..."

Can you explain why this is proof of "Creative Evolution" theory? Sounds like proof of natural selection to me.

"Mutation seems to involve as yet unknown factors, factors which science will hopefully soon discover."

Again, I dont understand where you got this? In this case it seems that copying errors that lead to the ability to import citrate can easily explain this.

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20. Comment #188236 by darwinphish on June 3, 2008 at 11:57 am

Hey everyone. This is a great article about the place of evolution... but these sorts of articles always remind how little we know about how life started in the first place and evolution began.

I recently started a blog about exploring the scientific theories behind the origin of life at

http://ontheorigins.blogspot.com/. It aims to bring awareness to the scientific stance on the origin of life so that IDers can't claim we don't have a good explanation.

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21. Comment #188242 by Darwin's badger on June 3, 2008 at 12:10 pm

 avatarThere's a cool interview with Zimmer on this weeks Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast.

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22. Comment #188277 by righton on June 3, 2008 at 4:40 pm

Henri Bergson,

Thanks for the PM. Oh, and thanks for calling me an ignoramous. I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I am interested in your response to this question.

Can you explain why this is proof of "Creative Evolution" theory?

Are you saying that this proves the vital impulse?

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23. Comment #188278 by righton on June 3, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Were you joking?

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24. Comment #188279 by Goldy on June 3, 2008 at 5:01 pm

Mutation seems to involve as yet unknown factors, factors which science will hopefully soon discover.

Factors in mutation? I think we know basically. Trouble with random processes, it's hard to work them out - bit like second guessing the person that doesn't walk a straight line on the pavement (I hate them!).
As it is, we know what drives the continuation of a mutation - breeders have been using that for millenia :-)

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25. Comment #188419 by Azven on June 4, 2008 at 5:03 am

 avatarAs bacteria make up most of life on this planet saying "it's just another kind of bacteria" is a bit like watching a lizard evolving into a bird and saying "it's just another kind of animal".

Lenski's patience seems phenominal and well deserving of a Nobel prize for observing the evolution of a new species in a laboratory.

Evolution by NS rules!

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26. Comment #188508 by elise97 on June 4, 2008 at 7:01 am

 avatarwhat, no crocoduck?

ha. checkmate, atheists !

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27. Comment #188599 by Ohnhai on June 4, 2008 at 8:39 am

 avatarmonumental. simply monumental. I doubt many people will hear of this , and fewer still will truly understand the importance of this result.

as said, 'Nobel prize' worthy.

We all know of the nylon eating bug. now such a genetic shift has been captured and recorded in the lab, unequivocally. Brtavo, and my hat is definately off to the patience of these epic explorers.

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28. Comment #188653 by happinessiseasy on June 4, 2008 at 10:41 am

 avatarThis may show my ignorance, but what if we could engineer bacteria that evolved not to be harmful to humans? I'm going to use a simple example because I'm a computer-scientist, not a biologist.

If there was a flesh-eating bacteria that existed, and we put it into a flask that had mostly plants, and some flesh, and kept cutting down the amount of flesh such that evolving to eat plants would make it easier to survive, then as they evolved, eventually they'd lose the ability to eat flesh, and we could introduce them into the wild, there they would have plenty of plants to eat and probably would end up dominating the original strain in number.

If this a viable idea in the future? Or should I just write a movie about it?

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29. Comment #188657 by black wolf on June 4, 2008 at 10:48 am

 avatarhappinessiseasy,
there are many plant-eating bacteria and viruses already, so the new strain would have to compete with those. The flesh-eating bacteria would still remain in nature, and not compete with the plant-eaters, so both would continue to exist. What we'd get is another danger to wildlife and humans. Imagine animals eating contaminated plants, and it turned out that the plant-eating bacteria could survive in animal digestion tracts. They would probably thrive on the food the animals take in, and possibly produce toxic substances which could kill the animals, as some bacteria species do.

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30. Comment #188796 by happinessiseasy on June 4, 2008 at 2:52 pm

 avatarblack wolf,

And that's why I'm not in charge of anything important.

/contractor for the government
//knows more about military simulations than biology

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31. Comment #188798 by Geodesic17 on June 4, 2008 at 2:57 pm

I just saw Carl Zimmer talk about this at the Seattle Town Hall last night. Coincidently, PZ Myers was in the audience. Security must not have spottted him.

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32. Comment #188840 by acs on June 4, 2008 at 6:54 pm

This test would appear to be evidence of (what creationist cry out as) macro evolution.

Clearly, that term is not suitable. It is describing the natural selection of a genetic mutation in a population. This, of course, differs from natural selection within a single genetically uniform population.

Now we have evidence of genetic mutation, in a lab, over which natural selection takes effect.

I think the theists are going to cry over this one :).

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33. Comment #188841 by Epinephrine on June 4, 2008 at 7:03 pm

 avatar
I think the theists are going to cry over this one :).


If only... remember that their arguments include how well the modern banana fits the human hand and the absence of crocoducks from the planet. I suspect it'll slide right off their ignorrogance fields like a buttered eel on a teflon pan.

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34. Comment #188846 by mordacious1 on June 4, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Just a question...and don't jump down my throat, because I think this is great too.

The article said, "The only explanation was that this one line of E. Coli had evolved the ability to eat citrate on its own".

No other possible explanations? Contamination by a graduate student? Equipment/agar contamination?Gene already there?

Before we whip out the Nobel Prize, doesn't this have to be repeated, reviewed, etc.?

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35. Comment #188858 by JuxtaMonkey on June 4, 2008 at 8:22 pm

 avatarlogical based reality:

There are proteins in a bacteria's cell wall that allow for certain materials to flow ACTIVELY in and out. E.Coli are a gram-negative bacillus bacteria...check out a detailed picture of a gram-negative's bacteria cell wall. They have several layers in the wall, it is super cool...I forget all the in's and out's of each shape's quirks but it may give you a good indication of how channel could widen or a cell's wall become more suitable for a more passive transportation. What I am curious about is if they can figure out when that extra DNA or plasmid was created, if indeed the dish was not contaminated (by a viroid or another plasmid owning bacteria), if the environment inspired it's creation or if it was already in the DNA's code...does anyone know how bacteria acquired plasmids?

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36. Comment #188889 by acs on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 pm

JuxtaMonkey

I assume that the actual mutation is to an existing part of the E.Coli's structure so that it can digest citrane. I think the article might be misleading and that the actual "evolved E.Coli" in the test did not have plasmids, rather the oddball citrane digesting E.Coli found in other places made use of plasmids:-

In nature, there have been a few reports of E. coli that can feed on citrate. But these oddballs all acquired a ring of DNA called a plasmid from some other species of bacteria. Lenski selected a strain of E. coli for his experiments that doesn't have any plasmids, there were no other bacteria in the experiment, and the evolved bacteria remain plasmid-free. So the only explanation was that this one line of E. coli had evolved the ability to eat citrate on its own.

Accordingly, the new species of E.Coli that MUS has developed do not use plasmid digestion.

Does that sound right??

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37. Comment #188891 by righton on June 4, 2008 at 11:45 pm

moradacious1

"No other possible explanations? Contamination by a graduate student? Equipment/agar contamination?Gene already there?"

I would think that some kind of controls/test for contamination were done to make sure that this was not caused by contamination or something else. If this was reported without some kind of confirmation it would be very bad science.

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38. Comment #188892 by righton on June 4, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Before a Nobel prize is awarded I think confirmation of exactly how this happened is in order.

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39. Comment #188894 by acs on June 4, 2008 at 11:58 pm

Righton

We can actually check for contamination by checking the genome of the E.Coli. Any plasmid contamination or viroid contamination would show a distinct gene splice in the code. We would be able to see that pretty clearly. Rather it would appear that the new 'genetic material' is throughout the E.Coli's genome, although, I note this is the next step for the study.

It also appears the mutation has been documented on several independent occasions, although I would prefer if the article had said this explicitly:-

To gauge the flukiness of the citrate-eaters, Blount and Lenski replayed evolution. They grew new populations from 12 time points in the 33,000-generations of pre-citrate-eating bacteria. They let the bacteria evolve for thousands of generations, monitoring them for any signs of citrate-eating. They then transferred the bacteria to Petri dishes with nothing but citrate to eat. All told, they tested 40 trillion cells. Here's a movie of what that looks like...

Out of that staggering hoard of bacteria, only a handful of citrate-eating mutants arose. None of the original ancestors or early predecessors gave rise to citrate-eaters; only later stages in the line could--mostly from 27,000 generations or beyond. Still, even among these later E. coli, the odds of evolving into a citrate-eater was staggeringly low, on the order of one-in-a-trillion.

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40. Comment #188900 by GordonYKWong on June 5, 2008 at 1:10 am

 avatar
Hi ACS,

Do you work for this project? If you do that is very cooool.

Please excuse my ignorance here, but do you know why those rare citrate mutants in the 12 test batch after generation 33,000 does not thrive in the same environment, whereas the super citrate eaters do thrive?

Shouldn't the rare citrate eating mutants have a selective advantage over the normal non-citrate eaters?

Thanks,

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41. Comment #189043 by King of NH on June 5, 2008 at 9:14 am

 avatar"what, no crocoduck?

ha. checkmate, atheists !"


I think it's funny that Professor Eightieshasbeen chose a crocodile for this little piece of nonsense. A reptile has a three chambered heart, more developed than the two chambers of a fish. A bird or a mammal has a four chambered heart, the most chambers found in current evolutionary progress. A crocodilian (alligator, crocodile, and caiman) has a semi-four chambered heart, marking it as a 'hybrid' reptile mammal/bird. The crocodile also has a bone structure that's close to reptiles and other cold-bloods, but shows the unique characteristics of a less dense, porous bone structure found in warm-bloods. These, together with the maternal care and I'm certain other characteristics, makes the crocodilian family a very good study on living transitional species (and quite possibly a true dinosaur, more evolved than a typical reptile). The fact that he is too ignorant to actually study the evolution of a species he is using to mock evolution is irony at its best.

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42. Comment #189062 by JuxtaMonkey on June 5, 2008 at 10:35 am

 avataracs,

Cool! When did bacteria, in general, acquire plasmids? I know bacteria can receive them from other bacteria through transduction but does anyone know how a bacteria "spontaneously" makes a plasmid without any other help. I assume it is a mutation of sorts, just wondering how that little ring got there in the first place ;).

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43. Comment #189178 by acs on June 5, 2008 at 4:28 pm

OK - guys, I am just a lawyer, not a biologist - I was just reading the post properly.

Re the plasmids though, I note wikipedia gives a good note on plasmids at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmid

Also, I think you may be getting confused a little, the plasmid is like a bit of genetic material that floats around, doing its thing. Kind of like a viroid or prion.

If it does go into a bacteria it can insert itself into the bacteria's genome.

Accordingly, I dont think bacteria "spontaneously" makes a plasmids. It picks one up, like a cough.

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44. Comment #189217 by JuxtaMonkey on June 5, 2008 at 8:36 pm

 avatarAcs,

Actually, bacteria can transfer plasmids to another bacteria. I know WHAT a plasmid IS, I just want to know with what specific bacteria did they first appear and if, indeed, they can form from a random mutation in Bacteria's main DNA (a ring shape when all stretched out, hints the "ring" =)). DNA gives the cell info so that the prokaryote organism can then make "stuff".

A viroid is, simplistically put, a virus that utilizes bacterial DNA--by watching a viroid latching into bacteria's DNA is how scientist learned how to make a plethora of bio-therapy products (for example, insulin). However, a plasmid is actually part of the bacteria's DNA, it is seperated from the "main" DNA and gives the bacteria special abilities, like antibiotic resistance or flagella so they can move and attach to their surroundings etc... These can be reproduced by the bacteria down generations or it can be transfered (like a copy) from one bacteria to another through transduction...but how did it that extra "ring" of DNA get there in the first place! =) Righton is a microlab tech...maybe he can answer.

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45. Comment #189219 by acs on June 5, 2008 at 8:49 pm

As noted above - I am but a humble lawyer. We really dont have any skill or knowledge about science ;).

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46. Comment #189222 by JuxtaMonkey on June 5, 2008 at 9:02 pm

 avatarLOL, I knew I was coming off like a brat, really I've only had a few micro classes--but I love it and I am just curious ;)

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47. Comment #189244 by righton on June 5, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Actaully, I did my masters in a micro lab, mostly Bacillus. I currently work in a human genetics lab.

I am not sure what bacteria this originated in although I am sure this happened a very, very long time ago. I am pretty sure they originated as viruses.

BTW, my earlier comments in response to moradacious were just trying to say that controls and verification are done before the papers are published. This is just how science works.

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48. Comment #189276 by JuxtaMonkey on June 5, 2008 at 11:52 pm

 avatarI know Righton! I just remember a conversation with you about America, a rainy city ;), microbiology, and nursing!

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49. Comment #189405 by sctparker on June 6, 2008 at 7:59 am

Being able to observe the evolutionary process right in front of you must be something to see.

What would happen if these citratophilic E. Coli were in the environment in which they normally live?

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50. Comment #243689 by Wolfgang DelaSangre on September 6, 2008 at 10:00 pm

So, we just witnessed a change in E. coli. Brilliant!

But if I may ask a simple, but pointed question...

Is it still E. coli?

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