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3. Comment #188685 by Tetsujin on June 4, 2008 at 11:38 am
just another case of MS Word taking precedence over proofreading4. Comment #188686 by TruthByEvidence on June 4, 2008 at 11:39 am
The strengths and weaknesses?5. Comment #188688 by mordacious1 on June 4, 2008 at 11:40 am
Didn't Texas just fire their top person for science education, over her unbending support for evolution? The first step it looks like.6. Comment #188691 by JLD Calgary on June 4, 2008 at 11:47 am
Wow that site is pretty bad; the way it's written, the shamelessly emphasized words, the plea to parents. The internet needs a giant "Crap" stamp that gets thrown on sites like this one that spew this kind of garbage out.7. Comment #188692 by WilliamP on June 4, 2008 at 11:49 am
I'm glad that the Times is bringing this issue to a wide audience.8. Comment #188693 by falterer on June 4, 2008 at 11:51 am
Just as the "God of the Gaps" argument forces God into an ever-shrinking box, creationists are being forced to reduce the magnitude of their claims. From "creationism" to "intelligent design" to "strengths and weaknesses" we can see them slowly being forced to eliminate bits of their story.9. Comment #188696 by Geodesic17 on June 4, 2008 at 11:54 am
If CDesign Proponentsists believe in free speech, the Discovery Institute should open its press releases to be commented on through its site. For people who claim to be squelched, they certainly do a good job of trying to silence others.10. Comment #188708 by bluebird on June 4, 2008 at 12:04 pm
11. Comment #188713 by Szkeptik on June 4, 2008 at 12:08 pm
"...a state-appointed committee of science educators has already begun to review the curriculum requirements. Although the state education board is free to set aside or modify their proposals, committee members will recommend that the "strengths and weaknesses" phrase be removed..."12. Comment #188726 by zpokthesecond on June 4, 2008 at 12:27 pm
They have a nice form where you can tell on teachers that don't teach the "weaknesses" enough.13. Comment #188746 by Quine on June 4, 2008 at 1:26 pm
14. Comment #188753 by eh-theist on June 4, 2008 at 1:40 pm
15. Comment #188765 by davemei on June 4, 2008 at 1:56 pm
16. Comment #188766 by nunquam on June 4, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I think this proves that anti-evolutionist arguments...are evolving! Yuk-yuk! (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)17. Comment #188771 by davemei on June 4, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Dr. McLeroy believes that Earth's appearance is a recent geologic event â€" thousands of years old, not 4.5 billion. "I believe a lot of incredible things," he said, "The most incredible thing I believe is the Christmas story. That little baby born in the manger was the god that created the universe."
But Dr. McLeroy says his rejection of evolution â€" "I just don't think it's true or it's ever happened" â€" is not based on religious grounds.
Courts have clearly ruled that teachings of faith are not allowed in a science classroom, but when he considers the case for evolution, Dr. McLeroy said, "it's just not there."
18. Comment #188778 by Szymanowski on June 4, 2008 at 2:13 pm
DALLAS â€" Opponents of teaching evolution, in a natural selection of sorts, have gradually shed those strategies that have not survived the courts. Over the last decade, creationism has given rise to "creation science," which became "intelligent design,"...
19. Comment #188807 by RamziD on June 4, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I'm from Texas and I think I got a very good scientific education from the public schools there all the way from high school through medical school. I'm doing my residency in Arizona, but to be honest, if something like this academic freedom bill passes in Texas, I will not move back. There is no way I would want to raise a family in a state that tries to teach religious theory in it's science classrooms (and I'm a very big supporter of public education, so I wouldn't want to send my children to private school). This is really quite a shame, the direction our state (country) is heading in. It almost makes me want to set up a practice in Europe when I'm done with residency.20. Comment #188813 by RevolvingImages on June 4, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Good grief - strengthsandweaknesses.org has Expelled links plastered all over it and a quote by C.S. Lewis on the front page. They also have this to say about Expelled: "It has received almost universally positive reviews". They're not interested in strengths and weaknesses, only ignorant bias.21. Comment #188815 by liberalartist on June 4, 2008 at 4:10 pm
22. Comment #188821 by notsobad on June 4, 2008 at 4:38 pm
23. Comment #188824 by TalentedChimp on June 4, 2008 at 4:47 pm
In other words, don't bother this court with such frivolous legal drivel.
24. Comment #188825 by SmartLX on June 4, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I just want to pick up on the expression "American sense of fairness". Australians have roughly the same thing: the ubiquitous notion of a "fair go".25. Comment #188832 by prettygoodformonkeys on June 4, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Strengths: Explains the diversity of life.Excellent!
Weaknesses: You have to be able to think to "get" it. (Easier if you can also read.)
26. Comment #188836 by rod-the-farmer on June 4, 2008 at 6:17 pm
teaching of biological and chemical evolution
27. Comment #188838 by T4Baxter on June 4, 2008 at 6:52 pm
28. Comment #188844 by EvidenceOnly on June 4, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Ref. 17. Comment #188771 by davemei on June 4, 2008 at 2:03 pm29. Comment #188850 by EvidenceOnly on June 4, 2008 at 7:41 pm
We need to encourage science teachers in those IDiotic states who vote to teach the strengths and weaknesses of evolution to also teach the weaknesses of the weaknesses.30. Comment #188867 by Don_Quix on June 4, 2008 at 9:09 pm
31. Comment #188883 by King of NH on June 4, 2008 at 10:23 pm
32. Comment #188893 by Szymanowski on June 4, 2008 at 11:53 pm
33. Comment #188907 by irate_atheist on June 5, 2008 at 1:51 am
I am always amazed that people NOT trained in a particular field will make strong statements ABOUT that field, in their official capacity, while disregarding the testimony of those who ARE experts. There has to be a name for this....other than f***tard.I have seen epeeist use the term creotard. It seems most appropriate in this case.
34. Comment #188913 by Mbee on June 5, 2008 at 1:57 am
35. Comment #188921 by Tyler Durden on June 5, 2008 at 2:12 am
The chairman of the state education board, Dr. Don McLeroy, a dentist in Central TexasWait, he's not an evolutionary biologist, but a dentist, ahhh, I see.
Dr. McLeroy believes that Earth's appearance is a recent geologic event - thousands of years old, not 4.5 billion.Liar, liar, pants on fire!
But Dr. McLeroy says his rejection of evolution - "I just don't think it's true or it's ever happened" - is not based on religious grounds.
36. Comment #188935 by Peribolos on June 5, 2008 at 2:32 am
"I believe a lot of incredible things," he said, "The most incredible thing I believe is the Christmas story. That little baby born in the manger was the god that created the universe."
37. Comment #188949 by MorituriMax on June 5, 2008 at 3:02 am
38. Comment #188954 by bachfiend on June 5, 2008 at 3:13 am
Yeah, right, Evolution can't explain the Cambrian "explosion", which occurred from 600 to 520 million years ago, over a period of 80 million years, and in which the number of recorded genera had dropped by the middle Cambrian (see page 168, "Evolution, What the Fossils Say..." by Donald Prothero.39. Comment #188956 by Raiko on June 5, 2008 at 3:16 am
40. Comment #188960 by notsobad on June 5, 2008 at 3:32 am
teaching of biological and chemical evolution
Sorry, did I miss something ? Chemical evolution ?
41. Comment #188962 by Peribolos on June 5, 2008 at 3:38 am
42. Comment #188992 by Szymanowski on June 5, 2008 at 6:49 am
43. Comment #188999 by clunkclickeverytrip on June 5, 2008 at 7:30 am
I'm sure the good Doc is an excellent dentist - it's a distraction to suggest otherwise. Societies worldwide are full of highly functioning people contributing in effective ways, but at the same time being delusional with respect to their belief in a supernatural creator.44. Comment #189009 by Dhamma on June 5, 2008 at 7:56 am
45. Comment #189012 by ridelo on June 5, 2008 at 7:59 am
Come to think of it. Why not also discuss the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics in physics class? Also a scientific 'weakness'. There ought to be more of such weaknesses in science. Let's see...46. Comment #189015 by mixmastergaz on June 5, 2008 at 8:01 am
47. Comment #189019 by BW022 on June 5, 2008 at 8:05 am
One thing which is never mentioned and often not considered by lawmakers is that something doesn't have to be right or perfect to be taught.48. Comment #189024 by Tyler Durden on June 5, 2008 at 8:16 am
Opponents of Gravity Adopting a New StrategyDo they not see how silly they look?
49. Comment #189027 by j.mills on June 5, 2008 at 8:21 am
50. Comment #189050 by Alkal on June 5, 2008 at 9:33 am
yes, lets also have the strengths( none) and weaknesses( not healing amputees, prayer not working, genocide, discrimnation, women being inferior, slavery, 6 days too short etc etc etc etc etc) of the ID/creationist point of view..
1. Comment #188679 by Tetsujin on June 4, 2008 at 11:29 am
This is wonderful if we also get to educate kids about the strengths and weaknesses of religious dogma. Why little Susie needs to die of bone cancer so that you have the opportunity to decide if you want to accept Jesus, or how Muslims confuse themselves with concepts of free will and predestination.At least we have or are close to answers for the weaknesses... the creationists have had nothing for centuries.
While we're at it, let's talk about the weaknesses for the atomic theory and gravity.
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