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Thursday, June 5, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Blogger spreads the gospel of science

by Tom Paulson, SeattlePI

SeattlePI

And controversy follows evolution's staunch champion

For about three days, a former Kent boy was the world's top blogger simply because he was refused entrance to a movie theater.

PZ "Paul" Myers, a Seattle-area native born and raised in Kent, a University of Washington biology graduate and now professor of evolutionary biology at a small branch campus of the University of Minnesota in the western rural community of Morris, is also a leading blogger on science at Pharyngula (scienceblogs.com/pharyngula).

If Seattle's Discovery Institute can be described as one of the leading challengers of standard evolutionary science (as an advocate of a religion-friendly theory of human origins known as intelligent design), Myers can be as fairly described as one of the leading defenders of evolution and among the most entertaining opponents of religious creationism.

"It's true that a number of good scientists also have religious beliefs," he said. "I'm not saying they are not good scientists. I'm just saying they also appear to believe in a magic sky fairy."

Myers, who is visiting family in Seattle this week and speaking to various organizations (including a Friday evening chat with the Seattle Skeptics group), got his biggest blog hit a few months ago after going to see an advance screening of the anti-evolution movie "Expelled" at Minnesota's Mall of America.

The movie, starring Ben Stein, makes the case that alternative theories to standard evolutionary theory (i.e., intelligent design or creationism) are suppressed by much of academia and the scientific community. But at an early screening of the film, it was Myers who got expelled. The filmmakers saw the Minnesota biology professor in the waiting line and pulled him out, denying him access, even though he had been interviewed and was featured in the film.

"Yeah, I'd say it was kind of ironic," Myers said. His blog on this in Pharyngula stirred up a media firestorm and was for three days in late March, he says, the world's top hit for any blog, not just science blogs.

Oddly, he noted at the time, the director of the movie apparently failed to recognize that standing next to him in line was Richard Dawkins, the famed British evolutionist and strident atheist -- who was also interviewed for the film. Both scientists said they were fooled into doing the interviews and didn't realize the film was being produced by organizations devoted to undermining evolution.

Myers, 51, said he didn't start out to wage a war on religion. He was raised a Lutheran, he said, and went to Sunday school as a boy growing up in Seattle's suburbs. In 2003, he launched Pharyngula (the word refers to one stage in vertebrate embryonic development) as a tool to assist his students' writing projects.

"I just see science as a wonderful thing that everyone should be excited about," Myers said. But he soon discovered that presenting even the most basic facts of his particular branch of science, evolutionary biology, provoked angry denunciations and even personal attacks by those who saw it as an assault on their religious beliefs.

The war was on. The Lutheran boy from Kent became one of the world's leading atheists, speaking from the pulpit of science.

"Religion and science are fundamentally incompatible," Myers contends. "Religion has a corrosive influence on thought. I do this because I've made a commitment to an ideal based on reason, evidence and skepticism."

Speaking to a large crowd at the Pacific Science Center on Monday, Myers singled out the Discovery Institute for special abuse. The organization is the leading proponent of an alternative theory to standard evolution, intelligent design, that many scientists like Myers regard as creationism -- the belief that God, or some divine being, created everything -- disguised as science.

"They had this pretense of being a secular scientific organization but most people now see through the facade," Myers said. The much-publicized legal fight in the school system of Dover, Pa., exposed the Discovery Institute for distorting scientific evidence to try to sneak religion into required science courses.

"As a result, they're now struggling to reinvent themselves and to become relevant again," Myers said.

Not so, said John West, associate director of the institute's center for science and culture. Intelligent design allows for the possibility of some kind of ultimate intelligence behind everything, West said, but their research "doesn't start from a religious premise." He rejected Myers' contention that they are "creationists."

West noted that one of their scientists, Douglas Axe at the affiliated Biologic Institute in Redmond, just this week had an article describing his computer simulation of protein evolution published in the prestigious online science journal, the Public Library of Science.

"We're not proposing the book of Genesis as a scientific textbook," West said. "We just think science and religion are friends, not enemies."

Some of those who attended Myers' talk at the science center, which was sponsored by the Northwest Science Writers Association and the UW student-run Forum on Science, Ethics and Policy, also challenged the Minnesota biologist as being too extreme. Some contended he was a scientific "fundamentalist" and that he was denigrating many leading scientists who happened to also believe in God.

Myers said he accepts that you can be a brilliant practitioner of science and still hold strong religious beliefs.

"It's clear that people are quite capable of holding contradictory views," he said. "If you want to believe in a magic sky fairy, go ahead. But you can't do it without compromising on science."

IF YOU GO

PZ Myers will be speaking with the Seattle Skeptics group Friday (6/6) at 6:30 p.m., at the Rock Salt Restaurant, 1232 Westlake Ave. N., Seattle. For more info on the event, see seattleskeptics.org.

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1. Comment #189248 by Cartomancer on June 5, 2008 at 10:36 pm

 avatarI'm assuming that this Kent in which the peerless PZ Myers was born is not the real Kent in Southeast England where I was born, but a shoddy transatlantic knock-off with no cathedrals, oasthouses or feckless Gravesend dole scroungers anywhere to be seen?

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2. Comment #189250 by Geodesic17 on June 5, 2008 at 10:39 pm

Kent, Washington. http://www.ci.kent.wa.us/

I'll be at the dinner on Friday.

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3. Comment #189251 by Cartomancer on June 5, 2008 at 10:42 pm

 avatarCouldn't they even call it "New Kent" or something?

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4. Comment #189254 by Geodesic17 on June 5, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Kent Lite sounds better and more American. I didn't found the city though.

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5. Comment #189272 by King of NH on June 5, 2008 at 11:47 pm

 avatarI'm in New Hampshire, New England, and not too far away is New London.

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6. Comment #189274 by Kubenzi on June 5, 2008 at 11:50 pm

 avatarif it were a bigger city they might call it new kent.Im guessing it is a rather small town,and that there is a likely a town called kent in every state except a small handful.

PZ rocks

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7. Comment #189277 by hikeapath on June 5, 2008 at 11:53 pm

do not think it was Lite at that time

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=1666

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8. Comment #189289 by Cartomancer on June 6, 2008 at 12:31 am

 avatarIt's a city? I just assumed it was a county, like real Kent is. They can't even get that bit right...

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9. Comment #189290 by Kubenzi on June 6, 2008 at 12:37 am

 avatari would bet in some states they have a kent county,and also have a town called kent in a different county.it is a pretty common name for both.

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10. Comment #189294 by Melomel on June 6, 2008 at 1:15 am


I didn't found the city though.

I didn't know it was lost (bah dum).

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11. Comment #189299 by davorg on June 6, 2008 at 1:49 am

 avatarI wonder if PZ is a Kentish Man or a Man of Kent :-)

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12. Comment #189300 by kaiser on June 6, 2008 at 1:50 am

religion-friendly theory of human origins known as intelligent design


I never really got that straight.
Can intelligent design be described as a scientific theory (I know they didn`t use the word scientific in the artice, but they also don`t use it when they talk about evolution).

I thought a scientific theory has to be backed up by a lot of data and must be falsifiable? That`s clearly not the case with ID as it makes no statements about the creator.

So isn`t there a way to stop it beeing called a theory?

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13. Comment #189301 by humanist on June 6, 2008 at 1:53 am

I love the 'PZ "Paul" Myers' thing, as if his real name is PZ, but his friends call him Paul.

I'd imagine Kent, Washington would be a much nicer place than Kent, England. I lived in the latter for 2 years. Since I left, my part of it (Erith) has had many stabbings, and been announced the 4th biggest burglary hotspot in Greater London. All this following a massive regeneration which saw the entire town centre being demolished and rebuilt.

I think the 'Garden of England' name probably applies only to the bits outside the M25!

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14. Comment #189304 by epeeist on June 6, 2008 at 2:08 am

 avatarComment #189248 by Cartomancer
I'm assuming that this Kent in which the peerless PZ Myers was born is not the real Kent in Southeast England where I was born, but a shoddy transatlantic knock-off with no cathedrals, oasthouses or feckless Gravesend dole scroungers anywhere to be seen?
Shouldn't you be complaining about towns like Oxford, Alabama which seems to have a mall, golf course, lake and a bridge but no dreaming spires or intimation of learning at all?

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15. Comment #189305 by faouloki on June 6, 2008 at 2:20 am

 avatarComment #189248 by Cartomancer
I'm assuming that this Kent in which the peerless PZ Myers was born is not the real Kent in Southeast England where I was born, but a shoddy transatlantic knock-off with no cathedrals, oasthouses or feckless Gravesend dole scroungers anywhere to be seen?


Ha, I come from Kent too... and was born in Gravesend.... *hangs head in shame

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16. Comment #189310 by stereoroid on June 6, 2008 at 2:29 am

 avatarKent is a city in the American sense i.e. incorporated as such. These days, it's better described as a suburb of Seattle, to the south past Sea-Tac airport, halfway to Tacoma. There's a map here.

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17. Comment #189313 by Brian English on June 6, 2008 at 2:35 am

The Lutheran boy from Kent became one of the world's leading atheists, speaking from the pulpit of science.

So he became an atheist at that moment? PZ was just walking around with his PhD in biology and attending his Lutheran faith when 'knock me down they're attacking science' and he became an atheist. Talk about conversions..... ;)

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18. Comment #189319 by Major Bloodnok on June 6, 2008 at 2:56 am

 avatarComment #189299 by davorg
I wonder if PZ is a Kentish Man or a Man of Kent :-)

That all depends on whether there's a River Medway running through it.

I'm also a Man of Kent originally, from the Garden of England's compost heap (Chatham). Large parts of Kent do certainly have a sort of Miss Marple village charm, but it's too near the ravening monster that is London for my liking. I'll stick to Manchester and its environs.

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19. Comment #189321 by AllanW on June 6, 2008 at 2:58 am

 avatarAm I alone in thinking this article in both style and substance is poorly written? I'm sure Tom Paulson has had some journalistic training and has acquired some experience or he wouldn't be published in the newspaper but from the start this article reads like the English homework assignment of an average eleven-year-old schoolboy.

Is the title meant to be ironic? If not, then Mr Paulson starts his piece off with the old canard that 'Atheism is as much a belief as religion'. Certainly some of the comments attached to the original article reflect this tunnel vision and complete misunderstanding so others have made the same connection. Is this evidence of Mr Paulson's personal sympathies or just sloppy journalism? If the title was meant to be ironic then the author seriously misjudges the breadth and scale of his readership as the effect is predicated upon the reader knowing what his normal authorship voice is.

In his attempt to reach the publishing nirvana of 'balanced reporting' Mr Paulson performs heroic contortions. This makes for a most stuttering and disjointed flow to the article, as he has to stop his narrative three or four times in as many paragraphs to insert the balancing blocks. This is a shame (although all too commonplace) as with just a little thought I'm sure he could have produced a piece that flowed more naturally and still covered his ass with the legal department.

I ask you, how stilted, manufactured and contrived is the section beginning with 'Speaking to a large crowd' and ending with the quote from West? After one sentence Paulson feels compelled to insert a lengthy chunk explaining (in a balanced, non-litigious way of course) what the Discovery institute is. Returning to a quote from Professor Myers the piece breaks off yet again after one sentence ("As a result") to not only insert an instant rebuttal from John West but a further two paragraphs containing not only a bald assertion but a detailed sales aid for the latest research snatched straight from a Discovery Institute press release.

I'm sorry Mr Paulson but your prejudice is showing here; in aiming for a balanced piece you misjudged and it reads as if the Discovery Institute wrote it for you. Come on Mr Paulson if you can't have some respect for your trade skills you'll never be promoted to write in the minors. If you continue to demonstrate this standard of disdain for your readers you'll never have any.

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20. Comment #189324 by eofor on June 6, 2008 at 3:25 am

Interesting name Kent. It's derived from a Pre-Roman tribal group of Britons called the Cantii (bloody heathens and pagans!). The county capital, Canterbury (Durovernum Cantiacorum), also retains this original Iron Age root meaning. Sorry, higly irrelevant post, but I like placenames (geek).

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21. Comment #189329 by Chris Jackson on June 6, 2008 at 3:55 am

 avatarThe Kentish tribes were actually held in relatively high esteem by the Romans, with one emperor (Caesar or Claudius, I forget) asserting that "By far the most civilised [of the britons] are those that inhabit Cantium".

I agree with Cartomancer's original post: original Kent has a beauty all of its own (as well as a massive population of Chavs and scroungers).

Sorry, continuing irrelevance, but I'm irrationally proud of my home-county.

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22. Comment #189331 by Chris Jackson on June 6, 2008 at 4:03 am

 avatarAs a Side note, I too am a Man of Kent, born of Chatham. worse still, the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Sauce be upon him) saw fit to create me during the era of the Chav. I too feel your pain, Major Bloodnok.

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23. Comment #189332 by V'Ger on June 6, 2008 at 4:03 am

 avatarHey Cartomancer... Good to hear a shout out for the wonderful Gravesend!

Indeed I was born and raised amongst the ' feckless Gravesend dole scroungers' ;-) Somehow I managed to survive that future though. Live just outside now... so always popping back for a happy slap or two.

There is also a Gravesend in the states I believe.

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24. Comment #189340 by steve8282 on June 6, 2008 at 4:29 am

Didn't England loose the right to be too fussy about the naming conventions and such when they got there butts kicked out of the country.

Cartomancer sounds a lot like the Quebecois here in Canada trying to dictate terms 400 years after loosing the war.

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25. Comment #189343 by V'Ger on June 6, 2008 at 4:40 am

 avatarIsn't it just the case that settlers from England wanted to name thier new settlements after the places they tavelled from?

So really... it isn't a case of Americans with a lack of imaginiation... but English who were proud of thier roots (that's probably another way of saying 'lack of imagination).

Pocahontas is buried in Gravesend, at her request... so it was probably a bit nicer back in the day.

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26. Comment #189345 by Muetze on June 6, 2008 at 4:44 am

 avatarIsn't there a Hannover in the US somewhere? It's bizarre!

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27. Comment #189347 by SPS on June 6, 2008 at 5:01 am

"We're not proposing the book of Genesis as a scientific textbook," West said. "We just think science and religion are friends, not enemies."

Notice he didn't say he didn't believe it was true. Like advertisers trying to sell something, noncommittal, vague language often follows.

The only reassurance I get when reading these views by ID'ers/creationists is that they are being fought by those like PZ. I suppose even falsely held beliefs, e.g., ID, have a naturalistic cause behind them which corresponds with certain people's perceptions, but unfortunately perception does not always match objectified reality, hence the mayhem it brings.

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28. Comment #189348 by mixmastergaz on June 6, 2008 at 5:05 am

 avatarCaution: A Pedant Posts.

Steve8282: The pronoun you're looking for is 'their', although 'its' would be better still as the noun it's replacing is England. And I think you probably meant to say 'losing' not 'loosing' about your northern neighbours. I wouldn't normally pick on someone's spelling like this, but you did have to go and mention the war!

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29. Comment #189349 by LaurieB on June 6, 2008 at 5:13 am

 avatarSorry to be off topic, but not sure how else to approach this.. I recieved a survey request on my e-mail this morning from Center for Inquiry. Grand Valley State U. is also involved in the survey. Did anyone else get this? Is this legit?

More to the topic, I live in Reading,MA. I'm pretty sure there is a Reading, England too.

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30. Comment #189350 by irate_atheist on June 6, 2008 at 5:16 am

 avatarGood grief! I was working in Chatham this morning! This must be proof there is a god and his name is Keith!

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31. Comment #189351 by joe72 on June 6, 2008 at 5:19 am

I grew up in Dover, Kent and lived in Medway.
Now live in New York, USA - which has a Amsterdam, Warwick and Mexico - to name but a few.

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32. Comment #189361 by Snomann32 on June 6, 2008 at 6:04 am

"Now live in New York, USA - which has a Amsterdam, Warwick and Mexico - to name but a few."


Also a Syracuse, Carthage and Rome.

What a bunch of unoriginal bastards we are.

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33. Comment #189374 by mdhutton1949 on June 6, 2008 at 6:26 am

I live a few miles away from a road junction that has a signpost looking like this:
Kent 5m <--- [] ---> 8m Cornwall

Very confusing when this ex-pat brit first encountered it!

Martin

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34. Comment #189378 by mikecbraun on June 6, 2008 at 6:40 am

 avatar"...former Kent boy..."
"...small branch campus..."
Ah, look at the tiny little atheist! Isn't he cute? Maybe one day he'll join us big people and believe in mature things like God and Jesus and resurrection! Little atheist--look at him and everything he's associated with. It's so miniscule! Not grand, spanning the far reaches of time and space like our Lord!
This is the impression I get from little digs like this. The atheist is supposed to seem petty and small-minded, while the theist is such a deep-thinking, wordly person. More often than not, it is the other way around. Also, the size of the institution does not matter as much as the size of the minds it produces. Obviously, Morris is not as big as the Mpls./St. Paul branch of the U of M, but we can see that it arguably has the better biologists! And fuck Kent, I live in Rochester (Minnesota). Deal with that. We might even have a few people named Dickens!

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35. Comment #189386 by hexhunter on June 6, 2008 at 6:53 am

 avatarI remember when someone on the internet asked me where I lived and I said London, he replied "London Ontario?". How could he assume first that I lived in the 2nd or 3rd most populated and famous cities named London?

PS I like how off topic these comments are, not much mention of Atheism so far...

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36. Comment #189393 by Cartomancer on June 6, 2008 at 7:14 am

 avatarWow, it seems that half the population of the British Isles was born in Gravesend like me (to a long line of dole scroungers and cinque port pilots so my mother tells me, though distantly related to AJ Ayer). Oh the glorious view from Windmill Hill of crumbling Tilbury power station across the river! The dilapidated majesty of the defaced pocahontas statue by St. George's Church! The spine-tingling thrill of the King's Farm Estate with its delightful burly young men in cheap sportswear! Home of Cheryl Baker from Buck's Fizz and nobody else worth talking about! Do say hello to my aunty Mildred if you happen across her while out and about.

As for humanist's unfortunate Erith roots, I can only offer my deepest sympathies. The superlative radio comedienne and one-time president of the British Humanist Association Linda Smith, who is sadly no longer with us, was also from Erith. She once said Erith is so unpleasant that it isn't actually twinned with another town, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham.

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37. Comment #189402 by DamnDirtyApe on June 6, 2008 at 7:44 am

 avatarEpic Kent obsession thread!

I'm actually in Canterbury at UKC.

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38. Comment #189407 by DamnDirtyApe on June 6, 2008 at 8:00 am

 avatarI'm from Manchester.

Turing FTW.

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39. Comment #189411 by eclampusvitus on June 6, 2008 at 8:16 am

Although Born in Sheffield, and lived in Birmingham (both in Alabama), I now live in Los Angeles.

I'm fairly certain there is no Los Angeles, England.

ECV

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40. Comment #189412 by Grumpy Max on June 6, 2008 at 8:21 am

I think all of you will find that the Kent PZ hails from is actually named after Superman. And, Cartomancer, you can take pride that Bob Monkhouse was also a Kentish man. Although I may just be mispronouncing it.

Further aside: are there any Bristols / New Bristols in the US?

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41. Comment #189413 by AllanW on June 6, 2008 at 8:24 am

 avatar'Further aside: are there any Bristols / New Bristols in the US? '

Yes to both; Pamela Anderson.

I'll get me coat ...

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42. Comment #189418 by Tezcatlipoca on June 6, 2008 at 8:38 am

 avataredit-for LaurieB re cfi at GVSU

Grand Rapids MI is in Kent county. Grand Valley State University is in Allendale pretty near Grand Rapids. They do have a Center for Inquiry group there in that area. The survey is probably legit. I believe there is a myspace page under cfi michigan or center for inquiry michigan. I would look up the link but my employers restrictions on myspace would get a big warning page to come up if I tried.

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43. Comment #189421 by 35bluejacket on June 6, 2008 at 8:43 am

There once was a sailor from Kent
that had a p**** so long that it bent.
So to save himself trouble
he put it in double
and instead of c***** he went.

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44. Comment #189427 by irate_atheist on June 6, 2008 at 8:55 am

 avatar37. Comment #189402 by DamnDirtyApe -

Hmm...so you're one of those blighters getting pissed in The Hobgoblin every Friday night, eh?

(I tell you what, I was in the bar at Darwin recently - it made me feel positively ancient and slightly lecherous)

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45. Comment #189430 by Tezcatlipoca on June 6, 2008 at 9:06 am

 avatarirate,

what is a blighter? Is it a pejorative that has something to do with someone who caused blight? I saw a few WWII movies where it was used by RAF characters etc but wondered about the specifics of the word.

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46. Comment #189432 by irate_atheist on June 6, 2008 at 9:14 am

 avatarTez -

A blighter is not a bounder - that's the first important point. After all, a bounder is nearer a cad than a blighter. And a cad certainly isn't a good chap, probably more of a rotter.

I hope that helps.

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47. Comment #189433 by schmeer on June 6, 2008 at 9:18 am

GrumpyMax: are there any Bristols / New Bristols in the US?

I live in Taunton, Massachusetts, which is in Bristol County. I believe Taunton is a port in England.

Most of the towns and cities in New England are named after English locations. Hanover, Plymouth, Bourne, Dartmouth, Essex, Ipswich, Manchester and Worcester are all cities in Massachusetts.

As you go west it is increasingly unlikely that the founders of a city (Like Kent, Washington) were originaly from England. For example, Kent England was incorporated in 1890.

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48. Comment #189434 by Tezcatlipoca on June 6, 2008 at 9:20 am

 avatarIrate,

um, thanks, I think...

p.s. hahahahaahahaaha!

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49. Comment #189435 by Cartomancer on June 6, 2008 at 9:20 am

 avatarTaunton is a town in England (it is the county town of Somerset, where my family now live). It is not a port however, being nowhere near the coast.

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50. Comment #189436 by hungarianelephant on June 6, 2008 at 9:24 am

 avatarTez - Blighty is Britain. In WWI, "blighters" were people who were in Britain, and hence not fightint the war. Thus:

Blighters


Siegfried Sassoon



The House is crammed: tier beyond tier they grin
And cackle at the Show, while prancing ranks
Of harlots shrill the chorus, drunk with din;
"We're sure the Kaiser loves our dear old Tanks!"

I'd like to see a Tank come down the stalls,
Lurching to rag-time tunes, or "Home, sweet Home",
And there'd be no more jokes in Music-halls
To mock the riddled corpses round Bapaume.

I appreciate that irate's answer is probably more helpful.

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