1. Comment #189782 by aussieatheist_111 on June 7, 2008 at 9:07 am

Good to hear. But still...there's a veritable ocean of mind-numbing (and unfortunately powerful) irrationalists who remain in need of forcible removal!

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2. Comment #189786 by epeeist on June 7, 2008 at 9:17 am

So WTF is "Creationism Science" and is anyone from the Dallas area going to complain about it to the paper?

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3. Comment #189794 by F_A_F on June 7, 2008 at 9:33 am

Anyone else start feeling that the war against the teaching of evolution isn't so much about presenting a different set of facts as giving evolution a bloody nose?

I mean as far as I'm concerned, a creationist class need only spend 5 minutes on the day of term telling the students that "God did it", making sure they all heard it right, then handing out the diplomas. What else need it teach?

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4. Comment #189801 by thewhitepearl on June 7, 2008 at 9:56 am

My jaw dropped, my heart skipped a beat and my lungs temporarily stopped working when I saw this post...No way..Whew...

Epeeist: I'm in Dallas and I'm two steps ahead of you. This has been my week to write strongly worded letters to the powers that be regarding all of this creation science mumbo-jumbo.

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5. Comment #189805 by moderndaythomas on June 7, 2008 at 10:07 am

So today at least I will sip my coffee in peace.

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6. Comment #189807 by huzonfurst on June 7, 2008 at 10:13 am

Hallelujah, Brother!

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7. Comment #189810 by shemp333 on June 7, 2008 at 10:15 am

Good to hear that you're on the ball there in Texas, white pearl. I'm always on watch for this kind of nonsense in the Philly area. Go Team!

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8. Comment #189812 by AoClay on June 7, 2008 at 10:16 am

*feels slightly better*

I hope ACA is doing something.

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9. Comment #189815 by Border Collie on June 7, 2008 at 10:25 am

Wow, I'm surprised at the Texans here! Maybe we're all worn out from dealing with the irrational incessantly repressive/oppressive religiosity of the area and need a place to express ourselves. Seriously, I'd be afraid to have, say, an "atheist" bumper sticker here (Fort Worth); I'm certain I'd be shot at and or my car would be vandalized. Anyway, a small, short-term victory is good. However, the wingnuts run deep here, so don't expect them to go away. Who else is a Texan besides epeeist? I thought I was the only one!

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10. Comment #189835 by tacitus on June 7, 2008 at 10:50 am

Er, in case you hadn't notice, this news is three months old! Isn't that like a web-decade or something? (Sure feels like it!) Do we really have to go that far back to get find some good news on the creationism front?

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11. Comment #189847 by mordacious1 on June 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

Since when is epeeist in Texas, hold your tongue man, or do they have a Texas in England?

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12. Comment #189850 by mordacious1 on June 7, 2008 at 11:09 am

These cretinists are like whack a mole, you smash 'em and they pop up again with a new name, so expect them back.

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13. Comment #189854 by mordacious1 on June 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

BorderCollie

TheWhitePearl is from Dallas.

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14. Comment #189862 by b0ltzm0n on June 7, 2008 at 11:44 am

I'm in Dallas and have an acquaintance who works for The Dallas Morning News. From what I gather the paper tries not to lean in any political direction, so maybe they'll do a story on this...

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15. Comment #189865 by Mango on June 7, 2008 at 11:53 am

Border Collie #9: Seriously, I'd be afraid to have, say, an "atheist" bumper sticker here (Fort Worth); I'm certain I'd be shot at and or my car would be vandalized.

Oh yes, Baton Rouge is no different. I always expect to find my car vandalized (again).

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16. Comment #189866 by thewhitepearl on June 7, 2008 at 11:53 am

Border Collie:

I'm in Dallas! "Seriously, I'd be afraid to have, say, an "atheist" bumper sticker here (Fort Worth); I'm certain I'd be shot at and or my car would be vandalized. "

I applied a darwin fish and i swear all of a sudden I was a targeted victim for people to take out their road rage on. I got honked at a lot more and weird stares. Maybe it was just me. I don't have it anymore though, sadly someone removed it.. :/

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17. Comment #189878 by thewhitepearl on June 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Comment #189850 by mordacious1:

"These cretinists are like whack a mole, you smash 'em and they pop up again with a new name, so expect them back."

I seriously laughed my ass off at that. Mental images galore

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18. Comment #189897 by robotaholic on June 7, 2008 at 1:38 pm

It's a shame that reality even has to do BATTLE! - it's insane that the religious think there is a massive conspiracy headed by SATAN to convince ppl of evolution - when I said insane - I mean INSANE - who would have thought that reality needed defending (that's a quote from Point of Inquiry-which I love) anyway I am happy about this - because Texas has so many teachers and school children and it's close to Oklahoma where I live-

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19. Comment #189899 by RamziD on June 7, 2008 at 1:39 pm

Border Collie,

I'm from the relatively sane area of Central Texas (Austin), but am currently in Phoenix. I never had to deal with too many religious whackos in Austin, but I know there are plenty in the DFW and Houston areas.

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20. Comment #189904 by moderndaythomas on June 7, 2008 at 1:46 pm

thewhitepearl

I'm in Dallas! "Seriously, I'd be afraid to have, say, an "atheist" bumper sticker here (Fort Worth); I'm certain I'd be shot at and or my car would be vandalized. "

Yes, I hear that you have a bit of a fire arm issue down there. Move north maybe?

I've always maintained that if I can drive home at rush hour and not pick out anybody that does not deserve a license to drive, than I can argue the right to bare arms and not loose any sleep at night.
As it is, I'm scared to drive. Too many dummies.

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21. Comment #189919 by LaTomate on June 7, 2008 at 4:21 pm

As many say, it's strange that the polls in the US say one thing while the actions of the electorate say another.

Creationists continually lose. In Dover they lost, remember? Not only the court case, but the vote too.

Same here. Hopefully this will continue. Bravo Texas :)

PS I'm not in the US and have never been there, but I still think this is important.

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22. Comment #189925 by T4Baxter on June 7, 2008 at 4:57 pm

great news, I'm not convinced they can endlessly re-design themselves... If the courts have seen through the creationist wool so far, I can't see them entertaining any notion, that inadvertently asks the same thing of them. Undermining the current curriculum, which emphasizes a scientific interpretation of our reality, over a religiously compatible one is no easy task to camouflage. This latest bash is about as innocent as you can make it sound, so I reckon if this gets totally 'flanned' there won't be much room for manouver. What do you guys think?

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23. Comment #189926 by Driver on June 7, 2008 at 5:22 pm

As a Texan I don't usually have much to celebrate on this site. I needed this small boost of morale. I'm still depressed from the addition of the phrase "one state under God" to the Texas pledge of allegiance in 2007.

I thought Texas was in a downward spiral at that point. Now we have taken a step back in the right direction.

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24. Comment #189930 by thewhitepearl on June 7, 2008 at 6:15 pm

Driver, keep your fingers crossed. My university had to issue a statement about their stance on evolution and why they don't accept the creation science point of view. There was a big uproar a while back because they were holding a Creation Science lecture and it wasnt welcomed by the science department....

Were still on defense here...

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25. Comment #189937 by nancyjesse on June 7, 2008 at 6:52 pm

I work in Dallas and have not one, but three atheist bumper stickers and a Darwin fish on my car and have never been bothered. I do get some strange looks from coworkers in the parking lot, but none have ever asked me about them.

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26. Comment #189950 by Double Bass Atheist on June 7, 2008 at 9:46 pm

I guess we should all consider ourselves lucky that those Bronze Age goat herders really were so ignorant of their world. Fortunately, they wrote nothing of gravity, atoms, the electromagnetic spectrum, chemistry, etc.

...otherwise we would have a hard time trying to teach ANY science!

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27. Comment #189963 by irate_atheist on June 8, 2008 at 12:08 am

2. Comment #189786 by epeeist -

So WTF is "Creationism Science" ...

My best guess is that it is a branch of 'Christian Science'. Other branches include 'floodology' and the study of auto-resuscitation as practised by some mammalian corpses....


lol!!!

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28. Comment #189975 by King of NH on June 8, 2008 at 2:27 am

Nice job Texas! [clapping]

My area hasn't had any law-makers pushing for Creationism IDology yet, at least not that I have heard of. But there are many residents who would like to see evolution toppled. This area is strongly Catholic, though, and the pope has supported evolution, and most other branches of science, as being credible and neccesary truths. I don't like the pope, but on some fronts, eerily, he seems to give us a hand.

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29. Comment #190020 by Border Collie on June 8, 2008 at 7:48 am

nancyjesse ... I'm glad you've been fortunate enough to not have any adverse actions against you. On the other hand, given the normal everyday rush hour blood and guts carnage in the Dallas area, the wackos probalby just don't have the time for the extra excitement of shooting at atheists ... given the predominance of sanctimonious types with shootin' irons over here in Cowtown, I think I'll just not put an atheist bumper sticker or Darwin "fish" on my buckboard ...

RamziD ... yes, Austin is a different planet. I graduated from UT. It's an alien oasis of some sort, like it should be in California or something. Maybe aliens brought it to Earth just to keep us confused.

mordacious1 & epeeist ... read that one incorrectly ... GOD FORGIVE ME that I thought epeeist was from Texas! Aw, hell, we're mostly from the UK anyway ... just a few thousand miles and a few hundred years removed. And, mordacious1, shame on you ... insulting moles like that!

thewhitepearl ... Now, if I were on the road and people were honking and weird-staring, I'd KNOW that it was about the bumper sticker or the Darwin "fish" ... that's all I'm gonna say ...

Troll, spam, offensive? What, is this a popularity contest? Troll, wasn't that something from a Monty Python movie?

I love you guys!

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30. Comment #190023 by Border Collie on June 8, 2008 at 8:26 am

I'm sooooo glad some of you are from Texas. I don't feel so alone any longer. I've been a square peg for so long, I'd given up. You guys have a great Sunday. I'm going to go do something religious ... like walk my border collie, ride my bicycle or practice katas or all of the above. And, you guys in the UK, please blow some cool air toward Texas.

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31. Comment #190070 by DoobyTheCat on June 8, 2008 at 10:14 am

Texas here as well. Arlington actually and I have an Evolve fish on my car and a copy of The God Delusion prominently placed on my dashboard. Reflective cover and all. Though it isn't my signed copy. I am saving that one. I finally stopped sleeping with it. :)

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32. Comment #190235 by ghuckin on June 8, 2008 at 3:23 pm

It's good to see that the voters are aware of the need for "balance" on the state school board to be maintained, but I was very concerned with the disparity between the campaign expenditure of the candidates. Despite claims that the US is a shining example of democracy at work, money still buys votes. Maybe not in the old "rotten borough" sense, but in the abilty to drown out the opposition's message with many more media ads, posters, lawn signs, etc, etc. This set-back for the fundies will only encourage them to greater efforts next time. Kitzmiller v Dover School Board should have been an end to it, but it only spawned "teach the controvery". Genie Scott is never going to be able to really take a vacation.

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33. Comment #190272 by thewhitepearl on June 8, 2008 at 4:48 pm

dooby, i finally stopped sleeping with mine about two weeks ago. It's in a glass case now...

border, have a good sunday as well! the weather is better today than it was yesterday.

I'm excited all these texans are popping up in the posts..

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34. Comment #191016 by jshuey on June 10, 2008 at 5:46 am

RE: Comment #189786 by epeeist, et al

I'm in TX, and have had two pro-evolution letters published in the Dallas Morning News over the past 15 to 18 months.

Plus, just for giggles and the public forum enabling me to rattle some cages, I am also a Libertarian candidate for the State Board of Education.

Oh, and I have a Darwin fish on my car, and twice "someone" actually smashed into it in a parking lot trying to knock it off. I really don't worry about the jesus-kooks though because, being a TX Libertarian, I also have a carry permit and use it.

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35. Comment #191189 by DoobyTheCat on June 10, 2008 at 10:49 am

jshuey

I have often wondered if someone were to destroy the evolve fish on my car -- would that constitute a hate crime? I'm sure it would if I were to damage a jesus fish, or spray-paint a church or synagogue.

I can put up with being told I'm going to hell.
I don't believe in hell anyway.
Just keep your hands off my fish.

We need more cage rattlers.

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36. Comment #191815 by Vergil on June 11, 2008 at 10:18 pm

I don't see the point in putting any fish on a car, Darwinfish or otherwise. However two things really bother me about the Jesusfish: First, I hate the redundancy of the fish with the name "JESUS" spelled in the middle. Like you are too stupid to know what the fish means. I actually think it's kinda cool that the early Christians used the fish as a sort of "secret code", like a little orphan annie decoder ring to keep the evil Romans guessing. Maybe it happened, maybe not, but the fish with the name and the Beware of Rapture bumper sticker and the little Calvin praying at the cross with the little Calvin girl (which makes me even more angry, but thats another story) sort of takes all of the fun out of it. The second thing that really bothers me is that the guy with the fish is usually the one who cuts me off where the lanes merge. Doesn't he know that those first on Earth will be last in Heaven?

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