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2. Comment #191042 by qomak on June 10, 2008 at 6:36 am
3. Comment #191046 by Doctor Dee on June 10, 2008 at 6:41 am
4. Comment #191048 by dlld on June 10, 2008 at 6:43 am
Corporations are treated like persons so it doesn't seem to strange if a chimp was too.5. Comment #191051 by HitbLade on June 10, 2008 at 6:47 am
Anything with a personality is a person? Just not a human person? So they can be chimp persons.6. Comment #191059 by hungarianelephant on June 10, 2008 at 6:57 am
7. Comment #191060 by jimbob on June 10, 2008 at 6:57 am
You Europeans are sooo behind the times. While you are arguing about whether chimps are people or not, we yanks elected one as president years ago!8. Comment #191065 by movingshadow on June 10, 2008 at 7:02 am
9. Comment #191066 by hungarianelephant on June 10, 2008 at 7:02 am
10. Comment #191068 by King of NH on June 10, 2008 at 7:05 am
We and chimpanzees can not mate (at least not successfully) so we're a different species and thus they are not human.
11. Comment #191076 by Mango on June 10, 2008 at 7:23 am
12. Comment #191082 by Donald on June 10, 2008 at 7:36 am
Interesting case.13. Comment #191092 by Henri Bergson on June 10, 2008 at 7:51 am
14. Comment #191120 by bentleyd on June 10, 2008 at 8:59 am
15. Comment #191126 by Duff on June 10, 2008 at 9:05 am
Jimbob,16. Comment #191129 by jimbob on June 10, 2008 at 9:14 am
Jimbob,
The president we elected was not a chimp. That would be an insult to Pan troglodytes, and certainly to Pan paniscus. The president we elected was a jackass (Equus aninus).
17. Comment #191134 by Apeseed on June 10, 2008 at 9:23 am
Comment #191092 by Henri BergsonThis whole attempt though is just another example of sentimentalist morality which we should be keen to destroy.
18. Comment #191135 by Synchronium on June 10, 2008 at 9:24 am
SOLUTION: Get someone to have sex with the chimp for a bit and see if they have some sort of offspring.19. Comment #191139 by mordacious1 on June 10, 2008 at 9:30 am
Duff20. Comment #191143 by RichardWolford on June 10, 2008 at 9:37 am
Is it just me or could this possibly have major implications with medical research? I'm not a medical researcher so I don't know the answer to this, but if chimps are classified as humans, would it mean that using them for medical research would be akin to trying to use humans?21. Comment #191144 by al-rawandi on June 10, 2008 at 9:37 am
22. Comment #191164 by matlot on June 10, 2008 at 9:59 am
A Chimpanzee is not a human any more than a giraffe is. However, a chimp could be a person. Peter Singer defines a person as an entity conscious of a past and future. Research does seem consistent with chimpanzees displaying this capability. This is an interesting court case; it could mark the next step in broadening of consideration of the interests of other animals. If it does though, we may have to forgo bacon sandwiches in the near future.23. Comment #191174 by millsm on June 10, 2008 at 10:15 am
This appeal to the courts is an attempt to use the blunt instrument of the binary legal process to redefine biological categories. Whenever a group of chimps organize and file a petition to the courts for the protection of other species than their own (a moral act) or begin applying to enter graduate school to study anthropology (a cognitive act) or create interculturally appreciated art, music and literature, there would be a case for considering them "human". The "only" 96% sharing of their DNA sequence with humans is a major distinction that has definitive consequences. There must be legal protection for non-human life, but to ignore distinct DNA differences is to ignore a major and consequential difference between life forms.24. Comment #191177 by alexmzk on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 am
i think there's a petition for the great apes to receive basic human rights. it's being endorsed by Richard Dawkins and Jane Goodall among others, i signed it a wee while ago. should be relatively easy to find online.25. Comment #191178 by bluebird on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 am
26. Comment #191184 by Vaal on June 10, 2008 at 10:39 am
27. Comment #191187 by entheogensmurf on June 10, 2008 at 10:46 am
28. Comment #191234 by mrjonno on June 10, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Human rights are intrinsically linked with human responsibilites. Is there any evidence that monkey or chimp actually capable of acting beyound instinct with humans. You could argue it can with others of its own species but I'm not convinced a monkey really understands the concept of murder etc29. Comment #191292 by DalaiDrivel on June 10, 2008 at 2:06 pm
mrjonno,30. Comment #191306 by Corylus on June 10, 2008 at 2:26 pm
31. Comment #191307 by Goldy on June 10, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Don't worry, Corylus, it's just that chimp proving he is a person! ;-)32. Comment #191310 by Stoned_Roses on June 10, 2008 at 2:33 pm
33. Comment #191313 by mordacious1 on June 10, 2008 at 2:39 pm
John McCain has just come out opposed to chimp marriage. He stated that they can monkey around all they want to, but the government is not going to condone marriage, unless it is between a male34. Comment #191322 by Goldy on June 10, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Nice chimp :-) Have a banana :-)35. Comment #191327 by mordacious1 on June 10, 2008 at 3:13 pm
So, how long does it usually take to get a troll bumped off this site?36. Comment #191337 by Goldy on June 10, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Funny chimp. Have a banana37. Comment #191339 by monoape on June 10, 2008 at 3:45 pm
38. Comment #191342 by Nails on June 10, 2008 at 3:47 pm
We and chimpanzees can not mate (at least not successfully) so we're a different species and thus they are not human.
This is probably the case, and perhaps you have seen a study I have not. To the best of my knowledge, though, it is not known if a human and chimpanzee can successfully breed, or whether the offspring would be viable. The ignorance, in this case, is likely to remain, since we thankfully have laws and ethics against shutting drunks in cages with chimps.
39. Comment #191350 by james1v on June 10, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Personally, i would relegate my relatives rights below those of these honourable creatures! But then i am sure some people have nicer relatives than mine....Hmmmm..40. Comment #191459 by Neal on June 11, 2008 at 2:39 am
I have a question for the biologists out there.41. Comment #191467 by Telic on June 11, 2008 at 2:52 am
42. Comment #191472 by firebird on June 11, 2008 at 3:00 am
42. Comment #191342 by Nails on June 10, 2008 at 3:47 pm43. Comment #191475 by The Third Man on June 11, 2008 at 3:17 am
I think we tend to look at the Animal Rights debate from the wrong angle. Perhaps it is better to think of it not so much a case of animals having rights, but human beings not having certain rights - for instance, we should not have the right to hunt elephants for their tusks.44. Comment #191505 by Vaal on June 11, 2008 at 5:08 am
Perhaps it is better to think of it not so much a case of animals having rights, but human beings not having certain rights - for instance, we should not have the right to hunt elephants for their tusks
"And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
45. Comment #191527 by Buddha on June 11, 2008 at 6:13 am
46. Comment #191532 by Doctor Dee on June 11, 2008 at 6:33 am
I think we tend to look at the Animal Rights debate from the wrong angle. Perhaps it is better to think of it not so much a case of animals having rights, but human beings not having certain rights - for instance, we should not have the right to hunt elephants for their tusks.
Given that animals cannot understand the concept of rights, it seems strange to award animals with certain rights. Isn't this a purely human idea?
47. Comment #191583 by Border Collie on June 11, 2008 at 9:08 am
"chimpanzees that have outlived their usefulness" ... therein lies a/the problem ... When does a chimp outlive its usefulness? To whom? Who decides when a chimp is useful or not? For lack of a better term, isn't a chimp's life just as "sacred" as a human life? Yes, we humans absolutely need a change of attitude about the other life forms on this planet. I'm not sure that declaring a chimp to be human in a legalistic sense is the way to do it, however. But, whatever works ...48. Comment #191696 by phatbat on June 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm
49. Comment #191984 by Raiko on June 12, 2008 at 8:40 am
But is Matthew really like you and me?
50. Comment #192016 by huzonfurst on June 12, 2008 at 10:09 am
Why limit rights only to animals we think of as "sentient"? Any creature that is capable of suffering ought to have some enforceable rights against maltreatment.
1. Comment #191041 by posiedon on June 10, 2008 at 6:34 am
Good luck to Mathew and Paula Stibbe.
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