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Document Physicists in Congress Calculate Their Influence

by New York Times

Thanks to SPS for the link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/10/science/10phys.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=slogin

Physicists in Congress Calculate Their Influence


THEORETICAL CAUCUS Representatives Rush Holt, left; Bill Foster, center; and Vernon J. Ehlers discussing their role.

WASHINGTON — According to the Congressional Research Service, there are only about 30 scientists among the 535 senators and representatives in the 110th Congress, and that is counting the psychologist, the psychiatrist, a dozen other M.D.'s, three nurses, an engineer, two veterinarians, a pharmacist and an optometrist.

But physics is on a roll.

"Go back 15 years, and there weren't any physicists," said Vernon J. Ehlers, a Republican who taught the subject at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich., until he was elected to Congress in 1993.

His was a lone voice until 1998, when Rush Holt, assistant director of the Princeton Plasma Physics laboratory, won election from New Jersey as a Democrat. And today there are three, adding Bill Foster, a physicist at Fermilab and another Democrat, who won a special election in March in Illinois.

"If we continue to reproduce in this manner," Mr. Foster began, and Mr. Ehlers finished the thought, "the entire Congress would consist of physicists!"

They were joking — probably. But a Congress full of physicists might solve some worrisome problems, the three-member physics caucus argued one afternoon when they met for a joint interview in the Capitol.

There are 435 people in the House, Mr. Holt said, and "420 don't know much about science and choose not to." He recalled his exasperation when anthrax spores were discovered in the Capitol in 2001 and colleagues came to him and said, "You are a scientist, you must know about anthrax," a subject ordinarily missing from the physics curriculum.

"The difference," he said, "is we would be perfectly happy to pick up a copy of The New England Journal of Medicine and read about the etiology of anthrax."

"In fact, we basically did that," Mr. Ehlers said.

"We know more than our colleagues," Mr. Holt said, "but not more than they could know."

Unfortunately, Mr. Foster said, "unless things play to their advantage in the next election, they are not interested."

Not everyone agrees with that assessment. Sherwood L. Boehlert, the upstate New York Republican who until last year was chairman of the House Science Committee, said that what citizens should expect from their elected representatives is not knowledge of science per se, but rather "an ability to reach out to experts in any given field and then do what is oftentimes hard for elected officials to do, listen instead of talk."

(For his part, Mr. Boehlert said, his last exposure to science was in a high school physics class, "and I got a C.")

Problems arise not just in obviously science-related issues, but also, as Mr. Holt put it, in "those countless issues, and it really is countless, that have scientific and technological components but the issues are not seen as science issues."

He cited the debates over electronic voting machines that caused problems "that would be obvious to any computer scientist but went right past some people here in Congress."

Mr. Foster mentioned the debates over electronic border fences, which he said lacked "fundamental concepts of what radar can or cannot do."

What is needed is not more advanced degrees, the physicists said (they all have Ph.D.'s), but a capacity to take the long view, what Mr. Ehlers called the scientists' ability to see from the pre-Cambrian era to the space age.

But sometimes, he said, the problem is just old-fashioned ignorance. Several times he has found himself "rushing to the floor" to head off colleagues ready to eliminate financing for endeavors whose importance they did not understand.

Once it was game theory. The person seeking the cut did not seem to realize that game theory had to do with interactions in economics, behavior and other social sciences, not sports, Mr. Ehlers recounted.

Then there was the time he rose to defend A.T.M. research against a colleague who thought it should be left to the banking industry. In this case the initials stood for asynchronous transfer mode, a protocol for fiber-optic data transfer.

" 'The Two Cultures' is not a myth," Mr. Holt said, referring to a 1959 lecture by the British chemist and novelist C. P. Snow, who bemoaned a growing gulf between the sciences and the humanities.

Mr. Ehlers agreed, saying he had as much right to expect that his colleagues would understand basic physics concepts as they had to expect that he would be familiar with Shakespeare. "It's utterly stupid that we have to fight that," he said.

But there are barriers to drawing more scientists into politics. For one, Mr. Holt said, many researchers have the idea that "politics is somehow dirty."

That was never an issue for him or Mr. Foster — both came from political families. Mr. Holt's father represented West Virginia in the Senate from 1935 to 1941, and Mr. Foster's parents met when they worked on Capitol Hill. And Mr. Ehlers came up through the Republican ranks, finally winning the seat once held by President Gerald R. Ford.

When Ford was in Congress, Mr. Ehlers gathered a committee of scientists to meet with him from time to time on difficult scientific questions. These days, though, there is less "comity" in Congress, he said, and fellow scientists tell him they wonder why he stays involved. "They say, 'I am glad you are there, but I think you are crazy.' "

All three physicists had the same advice for whoever wins the White House this fall. Move quickly to appoint a science adviser and keep that person in the presidential inner circle.

"I would say that's No. 1," Mr. Ehlers said.

Mr. Holt said: "Proximity counts. You want face time."

Among other things, they said, a science adviser should be someone who will remind the next administration what science can and cannot do.

For example, Mr. Ehlers said, it is irksome to encounter people who ignore the scientific consensus that human activity contributes to global warming yet count on science to produce new sources of energy magically. "They sort of reject our reasoning," he said. "But they will come back and say, 'Science will find a way.' "

All three say they have thought about returning one day to full-time physics. When life in Congress becomes unusually frustrating, Mr. Ehlers said, "I think, well, it would be great to be in the lab today."

Still, they say, they manage to overcome any intellectual disconnect between the more or less orderly laws of physics and the sausage-making aspects of legislation. "Physicists are versatile," Mr. Ehlers said. "We live in the real world."

After all, their caucus is growing.

"We've done the calculation," Mr. Holt said. "By midcentury, I think, we'll have a functioning majority."

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1. Comment #193496 by thewhitepearl on June 15, 2008 at 5:43 pm

 avatar"Among other things, they said, a science adviser should be someone who will remind the next administration what science can and cannot do."

We need a prominent "public understanding of science" chair to fill over here. Someone or a team of people to help bridge the gap and mistrust that americans have towards science.

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2. Comment #193499 by mordacious1 on June 15, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Why a physicist would want to be a member of congress and be surrounded by morons is beyond me. But hey, if they can handle it, why not?

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3. Comment #193501 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 5:54 pm

 avatarThe current British government have, over the last 10 years, taken the bulk of the science funding from independent bodies into politically controlled councils (that waste of fucking space the STFC - prime example).
This means we have politicians making science research and policy decisions - most of them having dropped sciences at 16 (so 30 years ago for most of them, at least).
I hope i'm not the only one who sees a problem....
and no, they don't listen to the recommendations of the scientists (see recent thread about Hawking comments)

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4. Comment #193502 by HBarca on June 15, 2008 at 5:54 pm

Nice to see a fellow pharmacist there, go team, or something like that anyway.

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5. Comment #193504 by Maximoose on June 15, 2008 at 5:59 pm

I think that what any government needs is people who can deftly inform the public how much science really affects their lives. If it was possible to somehow make people not take everything that science has given them for granted, everything from cellphones to heart transplants, then I think we'd see a lot more people opening up to scientific thought. As a result, we might see people actually listening to their governments should their governments talk about the need for a shift in societal approaches to something like environmental conservation efforts, for example.

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6. Comment #193505 by Apathy personified on June 15, 2008 at 5:59 pm

 avatarmordacious1 - good point. Always nice to know that we're not the only ones with democratically elected morons in charge AND as the back up ministers.

I have no patience, so i would probably go for the insulated ivory tower myself, until a round of science budget cuts closed it down, of course.

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7. Comment #193511 by Ansu on June 15, 2008 at 6:19 pm

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..said Vernon J. Ehlers, a Republican who taught the subject at Calvin... College


I wonder how can he be both a Republican and a scientist and still manage to hold himself from crying endlessly while hiding in fetal position under his desk.

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8. Comment #193512 by thewhitepearl on June 15, 2008 at 6:25 pm

 avatarAnsu

"I wonder how can he be both a Republican and a scientist and still manage to hold himself from crying endlessly while hiding in fetal position under his desk."

My grandfather is a super-conservative-right winged-fundamentalist, literal-truth-of-the-bible believing geophysicst.

The ablity to deceive yourself is amazing.

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9. Comment #193513 by mordacious1 on June 15, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Calvin College is a four year christian liberal arts college. So I do not know what kind of science he taught there.

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10. Comment #193531 by Count von Count on June 15, 2008 at 7:35 pm

 avatarMany mathematicians go into law (both require intense reasoning abilities and strong training in argumentation). Law is fairly close to politics, and math is fairly close to physics, maybe this is a good fit (epsilon/2 argument anyone?). It would be nice to see some biologists and earth systems science people in politics too.

The part about the misunderstanding concerning anthrax sounds familiar. The other day I was at a social event (consisting of mostly non-science people) and the TV was broken. One person looked at me and said, "You're in math, you should be able to fix this." Yeah...my class on TV repair came just after my class on infinite dimensional Hilbert spaces. Oh, and by the way, the prerequisite was apparently on how to fix your damn computer.

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11. Comment #193556 by dragonfirematrix on June 15, 2008 at 8:09 pm

 avatarAmerica needs a person, like Dr. Dawkins, who can spread the facts and the understanding of science.

Religion is not going to save anyone, and America should stop wasting its time on religion.

America needs solutions to its growing problems. Solutions come from science, not religion.

America needs truth, no religious dogma.

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12. Comment #193564 by Cartomancer on June 15, 2008 at 8:21 pm

 avatarWhat I think we really need is not necessarily more scientists in politics, but more politicians who know and are honest about the limits of their understanding, and are willing to seek good advice when they go beyond it. We cannot expect politicians to be specialists in everything they are to make decisions on, but we can expect them to understand the procedures for making good decisions that are well informed by evidence. They should at least try to get a basic understanding of the issues at hand, and certainly consult experts who know what they're talking about.

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13. Comment #193629 by Aidan86 on June 15, 2008 at 9:24 pm

"Then there was the time he rose to defend A.T.M. research against a colleague who thought it should be left to the banking industry. In this case the initials stood for asynchronous transfer mode, a protocol for fiber-optic data transfer. "

Is that a joke, or did this actually happen? If it's actually true, and if there are records to back this up, then the member should be held publicly accountable for arguing against something when s/he did not even understand what the acronym stood for - and taking a salary from the American people for doing so.

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14. Comment #193715 by stephenray on June 15, 2008 at 11:55 pm

Is it me, or does Vernon J Ehlers have really high blood pressure?

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15. Comment #193758 by King of NH on June 16, 2008 at 2:32 am

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Sherwood L. Boehlert, the upstate New York Republican who until last year was chairman of the House Science Committee...

(For his part, Mr. Boehlert said, his last exposure to science was in a high school physics class, "and I got a C.")


*sigh* Tell me somewhere, somehow, some way there is still hope. Lie if you have to, just tell me, please!

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16. Comment #193761 by rod-the-farmer on June 16, 2008 at 2:44 am

 avatarWell, I am seriously considering running for public office in my county next elections. I probably won't find any major science initiatives coming up for a vote, but hey, a small start by a science enthusiast.

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17. Comment #193769 by Count von Count on June 16, 2008 at 3:03 am

 avatarCartomancer-
I agree. Also, it would be better if there were some accountability in politics. Lawyers have to pass the bar exam, teachers have to pass a basic skills exam, hell even mail carriers have to pass an exam. Of course, we would have to take the democratic process into account; so a pass/fail type exam would be unacceptable. Maybe instead candidates could just be rigorously vetted by a panel of scientists, who give them the thumbs up or thumbs down. The voters are free to disagree with the panel, but it would be very embarrassing for a candidate not to have the approval of the panel. I understand something like this happens in Brittan (but not with a panel of scientists).

King of NH-
Why waste your time hoping? Action is what gives results. You just might gain some hope after all when you see the results of your hard work!

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18. Comment #193782 by YssiBoo on June 16, 2008 at 3:31 am

 avatarCount von Count:

I think politicians should be schooled in what the scientific process is and where to look for information about the consensus among scientists. They don't have to be specialists or anything, if they just show that they are capable of informing themselves before coming to a conclusion.

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19. Comment #193797 by hungarianelephant on June 16, 2008 at 3:55 am

 avatar17. Comment #193769 by Count von Count on June 16, 2008 at 3:03 am
Maybe instead candidates could just be rigorously vetted by a panel of scientists, who give them the thumbs up or thumbs down. The voters are free to disagree with the panel, but it would be very embarrassing for a candidate not to have the approval of the panel. I understand something like this happens in Brittan (but not with a panel of scientists).

That's right. There's a panel of local party stalwarts. They come from all walks of life - retired brigadiers, company directors, barristers, stockbrokers ... there are even sometimes ladies on the panel, and what a pleasure it is to see them nicely turned out with their new hair-dos. Once there was even a gentleman under 60, though he went off to run the cricket club.

They serve a very important role, such as ensuring that the prospective candidate's wife is a suitable person for the position. Of course, since she's the daughter of the panel chairman, this is pretty much a given.

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20. Comment #193836 by SomeDanGuy on June 16, 2008 at 5:51 am

I'd like these guys to write something about how they got into politics, and provide any advice they have for other scientists looking to change our nation. I'm getting tired of just complaining on the sidelines instead of getting directly involved like this, but I'm afraid I share the worries they address - that politics is a dirty business based on slimey networking and backroom deals.

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21. Comment #193854 by Double Bass Atheist on June 16, 2008 at 6:33 am

 avatarActually, I didn't realize there were any physicists in Congress.... and 30 scientists.

Are these guys 'religious scientists'? If not, how did they get elected?

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22. Comment #193873 by larhule on June 16, 2008 at 7:17 am

 avatarThat dude on the right is pinker than my leotard!

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23. Comment #194053 by b0ltzm0n on June 16, 2008 at 10:40 am

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Sherwood L. Boehlert, the upstate New York Republican who until last year was chairman of the House Science Committee...

(For his part, Mr. Boehlert said, his last exposure to science was in a high school physics class, "and I got a C.")


Does anyone know how congress decides who gets to be Chairman of the House Science Committee? Is it a lottery? Do they pick the guy wearing the bow tie?

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24. Comment #194392 by Border Collie on June 16, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Mr. Holt said, "Proximity counts."
Damn, I love it, give that boy an A in English (and for having a brain)"!!! I mean it!
I didn't know there was anyone remaining in the English speaking world who doesn't say "close proximity" ...
Now, I'm gonna go an ultimate distance and get a hamburger.

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25. Comment #194401 by Frankus1122 on June 16, 2008 at 5:43 pm

 avatarrod-the-farmer:
Well, I am seriously considering running for public office in my county next elections.

I'd vote for you.
Our PM got rid of the national science advisor.
Probably too fact-y for him.

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26. Comment #194448 by Sittingduck on June 16, 2008 at 8:20 pm

 avatar11. Comment #193556 by dragonfirematrix

"America needs a person, like Dr. Dawkins, who can spread the facts and the understanding of science".

Couldn't agree with you more. I highly recomend Ira Flatow's weekly science program on National Public Radio (NPR) in the states. An excellent show that highlights current science and which I find extremly intersting and informative.

Here is the address for anyone wishing to check out some of his recorded programs:
www.sciencefriday.com/

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27. Comment #194570 by GBile on June 17, 2008 at 1:03 am

In the Netherlands the minister of education not only is a professor in moleculair genetics, but he is an atheist as well.

How is that for a change.

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28. Comment #194656 by Johnny O on June 17, 2008 at 6:23 am

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30 scientists among the 535 senators and representatives in the 110th Congress, and that is counting the psychologist, the psychiatrist, a dozen other M.D.'s, three nurses, an engineer, two veterinarians, a pharmacist and an optometrist.
They have a pretty loose interpretation of what a scientist is...

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29. Comment #194679 by Just Plain Cliff on June 17, 2008 at 7:18 am

Perhaps what is needed is a dedicated "science staffer" for each congressperson.

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30. Comment #196993 by Z!ggy on June 20, 2008 at 9:21 pm

 avatarI am becoming more and more convinced that the National Academy of Sciences or some similar body should be given official status, and the power to appoint certain positions with no political interfer (or as little as possible if that is impracticable), such as the science adviser to the president, and a science advisory board for each house of Congress. Hell, for governors and state legislatures as well. Maybe we could somehow talk the American people into putting a body composed of 93% atheists in charge of the science curriculum, too. Basically the important thing is to put science back under the control of scientists. I do not see how this could be done democratically, unfortunately, but perhaps a good dose of meritocracy is just what is needed.

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