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Mr. Ham, who also leads Answers in Genesis, a nonprofit group promoting a literal interpretation of the biblical creation story, defined the clash of ideas as "Christianity versus the relative morality of secular humanism" and said they were "two fundamentally different worldviews."
3. Comment #198545 by Raiko on June 24, 2008 at 8:39 am
Mr. Ham, who also leads Answers in Genesis, a nonprofit group...
He rejected the possibility that Christians could believe in evolution. "If you take Genesis as literal history, then of course the two are exclusive," he said. "Christians who believe in evolution are being inconsistent."
4. Comment #198558 by Border Collie on June 24, 2008 at 8:54 am
Even when I was a dumbass little kid (like 6), forced to go to fundamentalist Baptist churches in Texas, I wasn't able to 'take' the Bible literally. How can it be taken literally? It cancels itself out. Where DID those other women come from that Adam's and Eve's son married? And that's just one of the first, easy ones. Oh, I forgot, don't question God, God works in mysterious ways and we'll get our answers in Heaven. Can't wait.5. Comment #198560 by Steve Zara on June 24, 2008 at 8:58 am
Where DID those other women come from that Adam's and Eve's son married?
6. Comment #198567 by Border Collie on June 24, 2008 at 9:03 am
Thanks, Steve!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!7. Comment #198574 by advocatus_diaboli on June 24, 2008 at 9:11 am
In the church I was forced to attend in youth, that question was answered by stating it was one of his sisters and that sleeping with one's dear sister was not a no-no in the Antedeluvian age. Being a child I never thought to remark on any of the genetics issues involved. Though it did do a good deal to further convince me I did not want to be Christian. I couldn't grasp a loving deity wanting us to shag our siblings and then sending a young lass away with a murderer just so he had someone to knock bones with.8. Comment #198577 by mordacious1 on June 24, 2008 at 9:15 am
"We will try to find ways of persuading people that it's not in conflict with their faith" Dr. Brown said.9. Comment #198613 by Epinephrine on June 24, 2008 at 10:02 am
He rejected the possibility that Christians could believe in evolution. "If you take Genesis as literal history, then of course the two are exclusive," he said. "Christians who believe in evolution are being inconsistent."
10. Comment #198619 by Vaal on June 24, 2008 at 10:06 am
"The culture war is definitely heating up," he said
"We will try to find ways of persuading people that it's not in conflict with their faith," Dr. Brown said.
11. Comment #198627 by catskill on June 24, 2008 at 10:17 am
12. Comment #198703 by liberalartist on June 24, 2008 at 11:26 am
13. Comment #198725 by Colwyn Abernathy on June 24, 2008 at 11:59 am
He rejected the possibility that Christians could believe in evolution. "If you take Genesis as literal history, then of course the two are exclusive," he said. "Christians who believe in evolution are being inconsistent."
14. Comment #198796 by tahustvedt on June 24, 2008 at 1:48 pm
"Christians who believe in evolution are being inconsistent."
15. Comment #198808 by Border Collie on June 24, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Not taking issue with anyone here, but I hope we can get away from talking about "belief" in evolution or "believing" in evolution. I think we're adopting the wingnuts' language when we do that. Sort of like it could be disbelieved. I think it was Alan Watts who described "belief" as a 'fervent wish that something is true'. I don't fervently wish that evolution is true. I don't "believe" in fossils; I see them. I'll work on coming up with a better word. Maybe some of you guys who are a lot smarter than I am can help. I see evolution. After reading Darwin, I understand it to a small degree. It makes complete logical sense to me. I don't think that there will ever come a time when I "disbelieve" it. So, anyway ...16. Comment #198828 by Tezcatlipoca on June 24, 2008 at 2:32 pm
17. Comment #198830 by decius on June 24, 2008 at 2:43 pm
18. Comment #198885 by Neuro on June 24, 2008 at 3:52 pm
19. Comment #198896 by Severus Snape on June 24, 2008 at 4:35 pm
"Christianity versus the relative morality of secular humanism"
20. Comment #198911 by bluebird on June 24, 2008 at 5:40 pm
21. Comment #198919 by CoffeeBoy on June 24, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Border Collie,22. Comment #198980 by S'allokay on June 25, 2008 at 12:21 am
He rejected the possibility that Christians could believe in evolution. "If you take Genesis as literal history, then of course the two are exclusive," he said. "Christians who believe in evolution are being inconsistent."
1. Comment #198538 by Lemniscate on June 24, 2008 at 8:23 am
It's presenting it like he does competing work, like you can't talk about evolution without talking about creationism.
Nice to see them let Ken slip in, "Christianity versus the relative morality of secular humanism," as if acceptance of evolution will lead to the end of morals, without an attempt to criticise it. They could mention that countries with a high acceptance of evolution and secular politics win against the USA on matters Christian fear, like abortion, murder, STDs and teen pregnancy.
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