1. Comment #200438 by Darwin's badger on June 27, 2008 at 4:20 pm

Keep fighting the good fight, Pat. Great stuff as per.

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2. Comment #200442 by Faith Minus on June 27, 2008 at 4:31 pm

Brilliant as always.

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3. Comment #200470 by 8teist on June 27, 2008 at 5:26 pm

Once again 100% correct on all points.

Pat Condell for Prime Minister, U got my vote ,or President , hell, I would vote Pat in as the new Ayofuckingtollah if I could.

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4. Comment #200473 by lordxenu on June 27, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Good show, sir

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5. Comment #200477 by tieInterceptor on June 27, 2008 at 5:41 pm

glad to see that Pat is back in full form.

his previous video was somehow not up to par to his usual level,

this new one is back on the mark.

say No to Islamofascism now! before is too late

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6. Comment #200507 by riki on June 27, 2008 at 6:32 pm

One of Pat's best videos, direct and to the point.

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7. Comment #200508 by Rational_G on June 27, 2008 at 6:40 pm

You tell 'em, Pat!

Note to religious:

Keep your stupid bullshit to yourself!

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8. Comment #200520 by Quine on June 27, 2008 at 7:24 pm

Go Pat!

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9. Comment #200528 by Stephen Maxwell on June 27, 2008 at 7:53 pm

If you're looking for some more light comedic relief on YouTube, check out PaulsEgo:

Here's his profile - http://uk.youtube.com/user/PaulsEgo

Here's his latest video - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lBNKEi1a9-w

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10. Comment #200531 by mordacious1 on June 27, 2008 at 8:00 pm

In the first 45 seconds of this video, and a few places later, Pat describes why christianity is as dangerous as islam. Thewhitepearl and I were discussing this with Fanusi awhile back, I don't think we got our point across. Pat does this nicely. By making sure that they, the christians, can keep their bennies, they open the gate wide for even more extremist religions. If we could put the stop on christians in our governments, then at the same time, we could be restricting islam.

ps. sorry, to thewhitepearl if I put words in your mouth that you don't agree with.

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11. Comment #200533 by henning on June 27, 2008 at 8:12 pm

Excellent.

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12. Comment #200553 by black wolf on June 27, 2008 at 9:45 pm

I'd wager we'll need neurological treatment before we out-evolve religion. Especially as most religions preach reproduction with a very high priority on their lists of what their brain-person wants, right next to bringing the little children to them. As they believe that there's a soul that corresponds to a deity independently of the brain, and perfectly able to outlive the body, they would surely have no problem at all to swallow that little pill, right? It would just prove that the soul exists and doesn't change (with all our morality, conscience and character contained within), logically being no matter what we do with our brains after all, right?

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13. Comment #200554 by moderndaythomas on June 27, 2008 at 9:47 pm

I like here how Pat doesn't attack a person's chosen brand of faith so much as the political and social power that has been allowed religion.

If we don't shake off religion, we won't shake off Islam.

He goes on to clarify that Islam is part and parcel to any and that that special status reserved for by Islam is what must be squashed.

By legislating religion out of the public life and back into the private domain where it belongs.

I agree here but only in principle. Ignorance sadly is every bodies right.

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14. Comment #200560 by Decon on June 27, 2008 at 10:18 pm

This man is brilliant. Islam needs to be neutralized in Europe as soon as possible!

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15. Comment #200574 by kram50 on June 27, 2008 at 11:20 pm

Very well done Pat!

I would like to see this video put right out there in the public eye...perhaps on the evening news...on the front page of all newspapers...it should be shown in all churches. It is most important that the moderates, who are quite indifferent to the plite of the free world, get a mitt full of reality on a regular basis! I don't think the majority of beleivers actually know what the hell is going on this world.
They need to wake up real soon...now, not later,now!!

I have never been more attentive to world affairs since I shed the bullshit....I don't feel I have the ability to change things...I wish I did!!!

There are just too many deluded beleivers out there to reach...I feel like my hands are tied and I can only sit back and watch the free world go down the toilet.

But I will never go down without a fight!!!

That's how I feel today.

I've said it before...isn't there a pill they (the deluded ones) can take?

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16. Comment #200577 by clearthinker on June 27, 2008 at 11:37 pm

This reminds me of the kind of rant one gets from the BNP or any neo-facist group. An angry middle aged white man stares to camera and spouts irrational, emotive prejudice which only appeals to those who already share those prejudices. 'Islam needs to be neutralised' and of course then Christianity needs to be neutralised as Islam and Christianity are just the same. All religions need to be removed. Religion only exists for the clergy - they are maggots who are feeding off 'our' freedoms.

In the Brave New World of Atheist facism one can only shudder at the thought of what being 'neutralised' means. After all we have tried that before in Europe. As for Pats hysterical notion that athiests have been quiet and need to be more assertive - it would be hilarious if it was not so pathetic.

This video exemplifies precisely what is wrong with the new atheist fundamentalism. Ignorant, prejudiced, illogical, intolerant and a monologue. There is no need to engage in debate or dialogue when one know s that one is right. Just play the role of the angry middle aged white man. Pat is a preacher preaching to the converted. He is on a par with some Mullah ranting about Jihad and the evil West. The only difference is that his congregation are atheists and that they have more power than the Muslims.

Kram50 - I would love to see this video out in the public eye as well. In fact I intend to point as many people to it as possible (in the same way that I often point people to the racist drivel of the BNP) because it shows everyone else the irrationality, ignorance and prejudice of atheist fundamnetalism - unless of course you are already a True Believer.

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17. Comment #200584 by Logicel on June 28, 2008 at 12:21 am

It is wonderful that the tacit respect that these pious parasites have been given for so long is being eroded slowly but surely.

I would love to see fathers, real fathers, with kids, whom they love dearly, march on the Vatican, protesting that phony "Holy Father," with placards, describing all the immoral and insane teachings of that particular pious parasite, and all the harm that pious parasite and his thuggish gang of pious parasites have done and is doing.

clearthinker, you are a pious parasite. No one is going to stop you forcefully from selling the wretched insanity that you peddle, but it will stop eventually through education, protest, and relentless criticism.

Suck on that, you pious parasite. And thanks for furthering our education efforts by spreading Pat's video, you wanker.

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18. Comment #200585 by epeeist on June 28, 2008 at 12:21 am

Comment #200577 by clearthinker

In the Brave New World of Atheist facism

Newsflash: In a clip today David Robertson used the phrase "atheist fascism".

When asked why he stated "Well, 'atheist fundamentalism' seems to have been losing its impact. I needed to find something else to infuriate people on the Dawkins web site and hide the fact that I am a drive by poster with no arguments."

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19. Comment #200586 by Logicel on June 28, 2008 at 12:32 am

epeeist, clearthinker (I needed to find something else to infuriate people on the Dawkins web site) needs to check in with a psychiatrist for help in his obession with this site.

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20. Comment #200587 by HAMMERHEAD on June 28, 2008 at 12:34 am

clearthinker,

Wow. You are deep in devotion to your cult. clearthinker, indeed.

Mr. Condell,

Your work is much appreciated and should be broadcast nightly on all channels during prime time. Look into that for me, will you?

Thanks,
HAMMERHEAD

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21. Comment #200589 by Barry Pearson on June 28, 2008 at 12:37 am

#200574 by kram50: I would like to see this video put right out there in the public eye...perhaps on the evening news...on the front page of all newspapers...it should be shown in all churches. It is most important that the moderates, who are quite indifferent to the plite of the free world, get a mitt full of reality on a regular basis! I don't think the majority of beleivers actually know what the hell is going on this world.

#200577 by clearthinker: Kram50 - I would love to see this video out in the public eye as well.

Something we can all agree about, gosh!

Pat Condell's YouTube videos (he's done 42 of them) always get viewed by lots of people, and get lots of very complimentary comments. Obviously that is mostly a self-selecting group, but it is a large group. (This one currently has 1363 views on YouTube alone, and is also available elsewhere).

People feel that he is expressing something that needs to be said, because people don't like the way the lives of the rest of us are impacted by religion. If religions and religious people ceased trying to force us to do things we don't want to do, or stop us doing things we do want to do, or threaten us (and sometimes damage us), we would be vastly less vocal. Pat Condell wouldn't then make his videos.


clearthinker: on 23 June I asked you to give your views on my page proposing that all concerned should treat religious practices as hobbies. I haven't seen a response from you. It is my proposed model for coexistence without conflict, and if adopted would cause much of the anti-religion polemic to go away. I am actively promoting this proposal (for example, as an early comment to Pat Condell's video on YouTube, and in comments to articles in onlines news sources). Please have a look and comment:

"Religions are hobbies"
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/gods/hobby.htm

Thank you in advance.

My 23 June request to you:
http://www.richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2757,The-Flea-Delusion,Tao-De-Haas,page2#197973

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22. Comment #200590 by mordacious1 on June 28, 2008 at 12:37 am

David

Tera doesn't want me calling you and your kind fucktards anymore, so I won't, but just remember, I'm thinking it.

"This reminds me of the kind of rant one gets from the BNP or any neo-fascist group. An angry middle aged white man stares to camera and spouts irrational, emotive prejudice which only appeals to those who already share those prejudices."

Reminds me more of you.

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23. Comment #200591 by Logicel on June 28, 2008 at 12:40 am

epeeist wrote: Newsflash: In a clip today David Robertson used the phrase "atheist fascism".
_______

Does clearthinker think we are closet Christians/Catholics? As they were the ones closely affilated with fascism.

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24. Comment #200592 by Brian English on June 28, 2008 at 12:48 am

Fascism - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Yep, that's it folks. Us atheists have a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc. and emphasizing an agressive nationalism and often racism.

What I'd like to know, is which nation we're being all nationalistic about?The atheist state I suppose.
Whom are we being racist against? It can't be any known race, because there are atheists of all races.
I can imagine Dawkins being the dictator, yet Hitch, Grayling and others might argue. Perhaps we have an oligarchy? Which leads to me to wonder where this atheist state exists with its coercive power and nationalism?

If you would be so kind David Robertson, could you fill in the details? Preferably without your usual bile and vitriol. You are a preacher after all, you are the moral superior.

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25. Comment #200594 by Logicel on June 28, 2008 at 12:49 am

Barry Pearson, have not read yet your writings on the hobby approach. Does your approach mean that pious parasites would need to get real jobs (as far as I know governments don't subsidize hobbies) in order to practice their hobbies?

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26. Comment #200595 by decius on June 28, 2008 at 12:52 am

Some visual mnemonic aid to the cognitively-impaired Robertson, who won't understand anything substantial in written form or otherwise anchored in reason and/or reality.

Mussolini, the father of fascism signing the infamous pact with the Vatican.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t979/T979683A.jpg

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27. Comment #200596 by mordacious1 on June 28, 2008 at 12:56 am

When is Josh going to get this site back to automatically posting links? It is annoying.

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28. Comment #200597 by epeeist on June 28, 2008 at 1:03 am

Comment #200595 by decius

Mussolini, the father of fascism signing the infamous pact with the Vatican.

But as Billy Sands will remind you, DAR signed the Westminster Declaration of Faith - http://www.freechurch.org/resources/confessions/westminster.htm

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29. Comment #200598 by Koreman on June 28, 2008 at 1:04 am

The popular Dutch weblog Geenstijl.nl was ordered to contact the police last week to make a statement about 15 anonymous comments in 2006. 15 comments out of millions. Other blogs/sites faced similar 'invitations'.

It is pure intimidation.

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30. Comment #200600 by epeeist on June 28, 2008 at 1:05 am

Comment #200596 by mordacious1

When is Josh going to get this site back to automatically posting links? It is annoying.

My previous post was parsed correctly and the link inserted automatically. So it is probably down to your set up rather than the site.

It might be worth deleting any cookies associated with the site and trying again.

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31. Comment #200605 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:30 am

In the Brave New World of Atheist facism one can only shudder at the thought of what being 'neutralised' means. After all we have tried that before in Europe.

Indeed we have, DR, indeed we have. For centuries people have been neutralised - and for what? Worshipping the wrong gods ring a bell? Sexuality (I'm pretty sure you don't like homosexuality)? Or how about your personal favourite - being a Catholic. You hate them, I take it. After all, you subscribe to this

CHAP. XXV. - Of the Church.

V. The purest churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error; and some have so degenerated, as to become no churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan. Nevertheless, there shall be always a church on earth, to worship God according to his will.
VI. There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God.

Synagogues of Satan. What an odd choice of word for describing a place of worship dedicated to Satan (there is only one god, right? So Satan isn't a god...but how can one tell - he appears as powerful as God!). Are Jews followers of Satan too?
What a vile religion you follow!

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32. Comment #200607 by the great teapot on June 28, 2008 at 1:35 am

Koreman
I see the geenstijl top article on the home page is advertising an ice free arctic as a new holiday destination. I assume the dutch will only need to buy a one way ticket.

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33. Comment #200608 by Steve Zara on June 28, 2008 at 1:36 am

I am no fan of Condells, but given the choice of his company, and the smarmy, evasive David Robertson, I would not have to think for long (it would be Condell, by the way)

Sorry to bore you, and everyone else, David, but any progress on making up your mind about evolution, the fall, and death, disease and disaster throughout geological time?

this is now the 7th or 8th time of asking.

I am having a bit of trouble understanding why you can't or won't answer David. Perhaps that might be something you could explain first.

I think it is important that we know if you respect science and learning generally, or are one of those creationist fellows.

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34. Comment #200610 by ridelo on June 28, 2008 at 1:40 am

Well said, Pat!
The leaders of this world are afraid that we would become too 'pattological'.

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35. Comment #200611 by scottishgeologist on June 28, 2008 at 1:41 am

Goldy,

He *may* have said he believes in the WCF, he *may* have taken an ordination vow requiring subscription to the WCF (as well as that delightful ordination vow thing about "disown all Popish, Arian, Socian, Arminian, Erastian, and other doctrines, tenets, and opinions whatsoever, contrary to, and inconsistent with, the foresaid Doctrine of Faith."

But, he doesnt believe it. He's a "pick n mix" man.

Actually, the more he rants on forums like this, the more I want ot go up to him and pat him on the back and say "there, there, sonny... I'll make the big bad man go away...."

:-)
SG

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36. Comment #200612 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:41 am

Steve

this is now the 7th or 8th time of asking.

9th, I think. Might have missed one or two, but the last time I saw this question, it was the 8th time, so this must be the 9th :-)
What a sad git I can be!

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37. Comment #200615 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:45 am

Scottishgeologist

But, he doesnt believe it. He's a "pick n mix" man.

Aaah, a hypocrite. Hmm, they are the worst sort to argue with - after all, if they have no idea where they stand, then they'll shift and squirm at every argument....hey! Would you believe it - he does!!! :-D

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38. Comment #200618 by scottishgeologist on June 28, 2008 at 1:50 am

Steve

This business about "natural evil" and death/diasaster/disease etc related to the so called "Fall" is an Achilles heel for the reigites. And you are currently taking an axe to it as far as DR is concerened

An evangie simply cant answer the question honestly because they end up sounding like a fundy (which DR is trying to avoid) On the other hand, if they take the view that a lot of churches took, eg in the wake of the 2004 tsunami, that it was "just a natural disaster" then that leaves "God" out of the whole thing. In which case, what we have is liberalism and not evangelicalism

DR is stuck on this one. It is the killer issue. NOT ONE theologian gave a convincing theistic explanation for the 2004 tsunami. Not one. They couldnt. They cant.

:-)
SG

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39. Comment #200619 by epeeist on June 28, 2008 at 1:52 am

Comment #200618 by scottishgeologist

They cant

You are missing an apostrophe, or perhaps you aren't.

EDIT: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/cant_1?view=uk

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40. Comment #200620 by rod-the-farmer on June 28, 2008 at 2:02 am

Re Comment #200596 by mordacious1

When is Josh going to get this site back to automatically posting links? It is annoying.

My experience is that when you add a link to your first posted Comment, it works, but if you add one during a subsequent Edit, the link does not work.

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41. Comment #200623 by decius on June 28, 2008 at 2:08 am

epeeist,

thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know.

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42. Comment #200625 by scottishgeologist on June 28, 2008 at 2:14 am

Epeeist

Good one! I followed that link - absolutely spot on that was!

Kudos!

SG

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43. Comment #200626 by decius on June 28, 2008 at 2:15 am

Robertson,

By the way, what is "facism"?

Perhaps the prevaricating action of superimposing one's own facial features upon others?

You could at least make an effort to learn how to spell the words that you so cavalierly appropriate and misuse, so that everybody isn't immediately alerted to the fact that you are an ignorant cunt.

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44. Comment #200628 by Steve Zara on June 28, 2008 at 2:16 am

Comment #200618 by scottishgeologist

I think the situation for Robertson may be more complex than this. I am re-posting what I just wrote on another thread:

What I am about to write may be nonsense, but I think I may have a clearer understanding of Robertson's motives for attacking Dawkins. I think it is more than just about atheism. I think Robertson is trying to keep a church with a range of views on creationism together. By attacking Dawkins (the great evil-utionist) on matters of atheism, Robertson can also be seen to be implicitly attacking evolution by those who want to see that. At the same time, he drops little hints about his concern for those in science who won't follow the standard line on evolution, and when he can he makes noises that sound like he believes in a "fall".

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45. Comment #200632 by decius on June 28, 2008 at 2:19 am

Steve,

you must admit, though, this recent rant of Condell's is spot-on and articulate.

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46. Comment #200636 by Steve Zara on June 28, 2008 at 2:32 am

Comment #200632 by decius

Very often he is indeed spot on. Sometimes he just goes too far, and pushes messages that are worrying simplistic, in my view. But, I have said all this before, and I am happy to just agree to disagree with people on this.

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47. Comment #200637 by Quetzalcoatl on June 28, 2008 at 2:40 am

Wow, Clearthinker's visiting a lot at the moment. Perhaps there are troubles in the FCOS and he's looking for somewhere to vent?

So far we've had:
Fundamentalist
Brave New World
Fascist

Next up:
New World Order
Atheist Utopia
Atheist Communist
Atheist Persecution of the Religious

To be followed by:
Atheists are so mean! Why won't you stop being mean? You big meanies!

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48. Comment #200640 by Barry Pearson on June 28, 2008 at 2:46 am

#200592 by Brian English: Yep, that's it folks. Us atheists have a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc. and emphasizing an agressive nationalism and often racism.

Yes - there is more here about "The Evil Atheist Conspiracy":
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/eac.html
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/eac2.html

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49. Comment #200643 by epeeist on June 28, 2008 at 2:50 am

Comment #200637 by Quetzalcoatl

Wow, Clearthinker's visiting a lot at the moment. Perhaps there are troubles in the FCOS and he's looking for somewhere to vent?

Does anyone here juggle? Do you know that feeling when you are at the limit of what you can do and a minor distraction will make everything collapse?

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50. Comment #200645 by Corylus on June 28, 2008 at 2:53 am

I avoid Clearthinker these days, but I don't like it when comments that snidely skip around libel are made.

Just play the role of the angry middle aged white man.

This thinly disguised and snide accusation of sexism and racism is easily countered by the asking of a simple queston. "Why would a sexist, racist man give two hoots about the treatment of muslim women?"

Pat expanded his views on this type of accusation here.

I hope that the people that you direct here, also watch this video, it demonstrates what a idiotic statement you have just made.

You are very good at throwing out such assusations without evidence and making a complete fool of yourself. Do you remember when you accused me of being a 'dreadful sexist'?

Now answer Steve's question. There's a good chap.

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