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Harper says new mosque shows 'the true and benevolent face of Islam'
by Canadian Press
Thanks to Eric Weitzel for the link.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrXEhNEBU5QOqPjZ5U4zkvQ74Ibw
Harper says new mosque shows 'the true and benevolent face of Islam'
CALGARY — Canada's newest and largest mosque opened Saturday in Calgary, praised by Prime Minister Stephen Harper as an "architectural treasure."
Harper also strongly defended the Ahmadiyya community - an offshoot Muslim sect persecuted in some countries - for building a mosque that demonstrates "the true and benevolent face of Islam."
"This community knows first-hand what it is to experience persecution and discrimination based on your religious beliefs," he said following a tour of the sprawling mosque complex.
"So you understand at a profound level that promoting religious freedom is an essential building block for peace and stability here and throughout the world."
Harper and Opposition Leader Stephane Dion were among the hundreds who attended the opening. The group's global spiritual leader, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, was also there along with followers from around the world.
The prime minister praised the Ahmadiyya leader as a "courageous champion of religious freedom and of peace," and applauded him for denouncing anyone who perverts faith by using it as a justification for violence.
"However we define God, it is wrong to kill in his name," Harper said.
The mosque is called 'Baitun Nur' which means "peace and blessings of Allah be upon him." And the complex covers more than 4,300 square metres and includes a community centre, classrooms, office space, children's area, kitchen, dining room and a multi-purpose hall.
The main outward features are its massive steel dome together with a steel-capped minaret tower.
"It's a day of joy for us, tremendous joy, for the whole community," said Safeer Kahn, a spokesman for Calgary's Ahmadiyya community.
"There are hundreds of people who had this dream of having this big mosque for their use - for their worship, for their social and educational activities. The dream came true today."
The mosque cost nearly $15 million to build with $8 million coming from local Calgarians. Ahmadiyya from all over Canada also chipped in.
"People sold their houses and children broke their piggy banks and actually this was a great example of sacrificing," Kahn said, adding the mosque complex will be open to everyone, whether they belong to Ahmadiyya or not.
"We welcome everyone here, and this mosque will be a symbol of peace. I assure you, Calgarians will be proud of having this building in their city."
Members of the Ahmadiyya faith, which began in India and now has millions of followers worldwide, call themselves Muslims and follow Islam's main tenets.
But unlike mainstream Muslims, the Ahmadiyya believe that Muhammad was not the final prophet. Instead, they maintain that he was followed by another prophet in the 19th century called Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who came in the spirit of Christ.
Just last month, thousands of Indonesian Muslims took to the streets of Jakarta calling for the government to ban Ahmadiyya.
The faith is considered non-Muslim in Pakistan's constitution and some consider it heretical.
Kahn said the discrimination in other parts of the world is precisely why the Ahmadiyya are thriving in Canada, where religious freedom is tolerated.
"Anybody can have their own opinion and it does not affect us. We have our own goals and we do not believe in violent jihad and we believe that we are always open to discuss this issue.
"Religion is a personal matter and a person has the right to declare his religion so that's the right that Islam gave us."
Calgarian Imam Sayed Soharwardy, founder of Muslims Against Violence and the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said he respects the Ahmadiyya's right to religious freedom, but does not consider them to be Muslim.
"A lot of Muslims do not concede that they are Muslims," he said recently. "They pray like us, they fast, they do everything except this one particular belief.
"They are our Mormons. I call them our Mormons because the Mormons had Joseph Smith and they had Mr. Ahmad. Some people express hate about them, but in my book there is no word 'hate.' "
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrXEhNEBU5QOqPjZ5U4zkvQ74Ibw
Harper says new mosque shows 'the true and benevolent face of Islam'
CALGARY — Canada's newest and largest mosque opened Saturday in Calgary, praised by Prime Minister Stephen Harper as an "architectural treasure."
Harper also strongly defended the Ahmadiyya community - an offshoot Muslim sect persecuted in some countries - for building a mosque that demonstrates "the true and benevolent face of Islam."
"This community knows first-hand what it is to experience persecution and discrimination based on your religious beliefs," he said following a tour of the sprawling mosque complex.
"So you understand at a profound level that promoting religious freedom is an essential building block for peace and stability here and throughout the world."
Harper and Opposition Leader Stephane Dion were among the hundreds who attended the opening. The group's global spiritual leader, Hadhrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad, was also there along with followers from around the world.
The prime minister praised the Ahmadiyya leader as a "courageous champion of religious freedom and of peace," and applauded him for denouncing anyone who perverts faith by using it as a justification for violence.
"However we define God, it is wrong to kill in his name," Harper said.
The mosque is called 'Baitun Nur' which means "peace and blessings of Allah be upon him." And the complex covers more than 4,300 square metres and includes a community centre, classrooms, office space, children's area, kitchen, dining room and a multi-purpose hall.
The main outward features are its massive steel dome together with a steel-capped minaret tower.
"It's a day of joy for us, tremendous joy, for the whole community," said Safeer Kahn, a spokesman for Calgary's Ahmadiyya community.
"There are hundreds of people who had this dream of having this big mosque for their use - for their worship, for their social and educational activities. The dream came true today."
The mosque cost nearly $15 million to build with $8 million coming from local Calgarians. Ahmadiyya from all over Canada also chipped in.
"People sold their houses and children broke their piggy banks and actually this was a great example of sacrificing," Kahn said, adding the mosque complex will be open to everyone, whether they belong to Ahmadiyya or not.
"We welcome everyone here, and this mosque will be a symbol of peace. I assure you, Calgarians will be proud of having this building in their city."
Members of the Ahmadiyya faith, which began in India and now has millions of followers worldwide, call themselves Muslims and follow Islam's main tenets.
But unlike mainstream Muslims, the Ahmadiyya believe that Muhammad was not the final prophet. Instead, they maintain that he was followed by another prophet in the 19th century called Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who came in the spirit of Christ.
Just last month, thousands of Indonesian Muslims took to the streets of Jakarta calling for the government to ban Ahmadiyya.
The faith is considered non-Muslim in Pakistan's constitution and some consider it heretical.
Kahn said the discrimination in other parts of the world is precisely why the Ahmadiyya are thriving in Canada, where religious freedom is tolerated.
"Anybody can have their own opinion and it does not affect us. We have our own goals and we do not believe in violent jihad and we believe that we are always open to discuss this issue.
"Religion is a personal matter and a person has the right to declare his religion so that's the right that Islam gave us."
Calgarian Imam Sayed Soharwardy, founder of Muslims Against Violence and the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said he respects the Ahmadiyya's right to religious freedom, but does not consider them to be Muslim.
"A lot of Muslims do not concede that they are Muslims," he said recently. "They pray like us, they fast, they do everything except this one particular belief.
"They are our Mormons. I call them our Mormons because the Mormons had Joseph Smith and they had Mr. Ahmad. Some people express hate about them, but in my book there is no word 'hate.' "
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I wonder if that means that they wear magical underwear as well?
haha! my first thought was of magic underwear as well!
Sometimes I just look around at this crazy world and think, "there must be a god because there's no way all this craziness could be unscripted!"
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3. Comment #205218 by Layla Nasreddin on July 6, 2008 at 9:01 pm
The mosque is called 'Baitun Nur' which means "peace and blessings of Allah be upon him."
Uh, no. It means "House of Light." *cries*
I have some sympathy for the Ahmadiyya because they're treated like absolute heathens by other Muslims; still, that doesn't mean I think their beliefs are any more "reasonable" than other Muslims'.
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4. Comment #205220 by Godfree Gordon on July 6, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Let them form as many splinter groups as the Christians have and they'll be less and less relevant with each schism. Other Comments by Godfree Gordon
5. Comment #205224 by robotaholic on July 6, 2008 at 9:35 pm
I think mosques are fucking ugly-
"We welcome everyone here, and this mosque will be a symbol of peace
...hmmm I've heard this all before..
man, i HATE religion!
and you know they're going to study the koran- with all it's 'peacefull' "kill the infadel" crap- Canada will be a regular mecca of the west...pfft
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6. Comment #205225 by robotaholic on July 6, 2008 at 9:38 pm
The LHC is the place I wanna see Other Comments by robotaholic
7. Comment #205227 by Spinoza on July 6, 2008 at 9:49 pm
The religious building that I think really is awesome in Canada is this one:http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_13088.aspx
It really is a spectacular piece of architecture (I've driven past it on the highway many times), and I'm fairly certain the entire thing was funded by donations.
Just amazing: http://www.david-kilgour.com/faith/HinduTemple-2.jpg
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8. Comment #205230 by dlitt on July 6, 2008 at 9:53 pm
At least this branch isn't the same jihadist, misogynistic, sexually depraved, death cult as the "other Muslims." I'm just irritated that our politicians need to pander to more dogma with our tax supported segregate multiculturalism. Other Comments by dlitt
9. Comment #205231 by Spinoza on July 6, 2008 at 9:55 pm
If they built a building like that at CERN... well... just imagine... lol Other Comments by Spinoza
10. Comment #205233 by prettygoodformonkeys on July 6, 2008 at 10:02 pm
My fave is this one:http://www.flickr.com/photos/seawallrunner/143002809/
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11. Comment #205239 by Mitchell Gilks on July 6, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Damn stupid Harper. How did he ever get voted in? Oh...right...all that liberal corruption. I'll still take the liberal's money corruption over the conservative's batshit crazy any day of the week.
Stupid Dion too...he is just a really bad politian, he'll never win. I'd vote green if they were more than a one issue party, and if they had any chance at all of winning. I heard that they won't even let them into the parliament building.
Anyone watch the Rick Mercer report? See the one where he went to Canadian Tire with Harper and bought weather strippings for the official residence of the prime minister at 24 sussex drive? That was hilarious. Imagine Jon Stewart doing something like that with Bush.
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12. Comment #205243 by kraut on July 6, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Harper is just your average politician - just a little more power hungry then the rest. He will pander to anyone who can help him to stay prime minister.Other Comments by kraut
13. Comment #205251 by Barry Pearson on July 7, 2008 at 12:39 am
Calgarian Imam Sayed Soharwardy, founder of Muslims Against Violence and the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said he respects the Ahmadiyya's right to religious freedom, but does not consider them to be Muslim.Abdus Salam, one of only 2 Muslims ever to win a Nobel Prize for science, was a member of Ahmadiyya, and had to leave Pakistan because of that. (The other Muslim, Ahmed Zewail from Egypt, did his work in the US).
"A lot of Muslims do not concede that they are Muslims," he said recently. "They pray like us, they fast, they do everything except this one particular belief.
What is it about Islam that results in little top-quality science in Islamic states? (Something appears to gone wrong at least 7 centuries ago).
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14. Comment #205290 by Adam Morrison on July 7, 2008 at 2:48 am
Meh, this is kind of a non-news issue. Temples, mosques, etc are getting build all over Canada (Alberta especially it seems). I have quite a few Ismaili Muslim friends in Edmonton, and in all honesty, they're the kindest and most open bunch of religious people I've probably ever met. I'm fine with 'bat-shit crazy' beliefs being allowed their place in Canada as long as its harmless bat shit crazy (ie not anti-science or pro-kablooie) Other Comments by Adam Morrison
15. Comment #205311 by Nova on July 7, 2008 at 4:02 am
Their story is one amazingly close to the Mormon one especially the 'Are they contiguous with the greater religion?' question. Sociologically Mormons definitely are Christians and Ahmadis are definitely Muslims because to be considered a separate group - a separate religion altogether - there would have to be fundamental differences at many levels, that's how separate religions develop historically, so they work differently to the main group, but in both the Mormon and the Ahmadiyya case, there isn't fundamental differences at many levels from the main religion and they work in the same way as the greater religion:They pray like us, they fast, they do everything except this one particular belief.The one extra belief changes the way the religion looks on the surface dramatically, but ultimately the underlying workings are changed little.
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16. Comment #205312 by minhuna on July 7, 2008 at 4:05 am
Baitun Nur = the house of light!nice article!
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17. Comment #205319 by Laurie Fraser on July 7, 2008 at 4:47 am
Splitters! Other Comments by Laurie Fraser
18. Comment #205321 by padster1976 on July 7, 2008 at 4:58 am
I looked at spinoza's link and I thought that the building was quite ugly.
Of course, the architecture in no way lends any credence to the claims made of that ideology.
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19. Comment #205325 by Vaal on July 7, 2008 at 5:21 am
Somehow I am not convinced after the "Undercover Mosque" programme showed the leaders of what were considered the most respectable mosques in Britain outside shaking hands with politicians, yet behind closed doors were spouting the most poisonous bile and hate speeches. It just bought to mind Neville Chamberlain.Also, I would be very interested to know what the leaders of this new mosque have to say about apostasy and blasphemy, before we hear about how "true and benevolent" they claim their religion to be.
Until Islam makes perfectly clear that people born to Islam have freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion, then Islam should be banned in any civilised country, as a gross violation of basic human rights.
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20. Comment #205327 by Bernard Baptiste on July 7, 2008 at 5:25 am
Come out, come out wherever you are. Formerly known as Prufrock - I always knew there was something not quite right about Richard Morgan - and as a pleasant spell as Incredulous, and I still have to work too hard, it is now time for me to unreservedly graduate as an unashamed atheist.However we define God, it is wrong to kill in his name," Harper said.
So it we stop trying to define God, especially in Abrahamic terms, then maybe we remove at least one completely insane reason to kill at all. I personally believe the best way to stop defining God is to simply accept he most probably isn't there.
And will someone please tell me how a mere building represents the true and benevolent face of anything?
If this is true why is so much of the koran and a couple of the hadiths so damn violent and/or threatening for those who chose not to believe in it or accept its tenets as having any particular value?
Maybe if the muslim faith was true and benevolent I wouldn't be so concerned by its spread.
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21. Comment #205337 by Acitta on July 7, 2008 at 5:54 am
Mitchell Gilks wrote "I'd vote green if they were more than a one issue party". Mitchell, the Green Party of Canada is not a one issue party. They have a comprehensive set of policies. See http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy.Other Comments by Acitta
22. Comment #205338 by tieInterceptor on July 7, 2008 at 6:01 am
Comment #205325 by Vaal after the "Undercover Mosque" programme showed the leaders of what were considered the most respectable mosques in Britain outside shaking hands with politicians, yet behind closed doors were spouting the most poisonous bile and hate speeches.
Until Islam makes perfectly clear that people born to Islam have freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion, then Islam should be banned in any civilised country, as a gross violation of basic human rights.
I'm 100% with you, that documentary is a must see, it really shows what kind of two faced crap they pull with smiles on their faces every day,
Until they openly and honestly recant from calling for the death of apostates of Islam they should be banned from any civilized nation, a group that punishes with death anyone that tries to leave is not worth of any respect.
also, if they recant it has to be fully and truly, not with the caveat that "we don't promote it in the uk, because is against the law of the land" that kind of temporary basis bull crap I heard Imams say on tv is infuriating ... boils down to this... "apostasy goes unpunished in the uk, for now, until we take over and Islam can be fully realised".
it should be, reform the religion now, or GTFO!
ps: if someone did not see undercover mosque this is the link;
http://uk.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B61DDD1701F98467
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23. Comment #205341 by al-rawandi on July 7, 2008 at 6:10 am
minhuna,
minhuna = From here.
Strange choice of names.
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24. Comment #205342 by al-rawandi on July 7, 2008 at 6:12 am
Layla,
Good catch on "Baitun Nur", strange that it could be so wildly miss translated, considering what they translated was Sal-Allahu Alahi wa Salam, not even remotely close.
Oh well, so much for journalism.
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25. Comment #205343 by Tyler Durden on July 7, 2008 at 6:13 am
The mosque cost nearly $15 million to build with $8 million coming from local Calgarians.Sigh.
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26. Comment #205356 by burn0gas on July 7, 2008 at 7:29 am
When someone opens a beautiful Church of the FSM, will Harpen show up and praise it's beauty, stating that it demonstrates "the true and benevolent face of Atheism."? Will he be willing to state "This community knows first-hand what it is to experience persecution and discrimination based on your beliefs"?p.s. Harper says, "However we define God, it is wrong to kill in his name". Obviously he hasn't read the Quran or the Bible, and doesn't understand those text's definition of God.
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27. Comment #205388 by Friend Giskard on July 7, 2008 at 8:10 am
Islam doesn't have a true face. They are all false. Other Comments by Friend Giskard
28. Comment #205414 by mdowe on July 7, 2008 at 8:50 am
Hmm ... now the Canadian Liberal party will probably start a program that actively recruits Muslim immigrants .... they can't let the Tories show them up. From my perspective, I suppose any Islamic sect that will give up on ambitions to 'kill or convert' is 95% of the way to being as welcomed as any other brand of religious nuttery.
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29. Comment #205462 by Notcrowingbutyawning on July 7, 2008 at 9:57 am
If you gotta have the religious, then have those that aren't complete nutters so we can all at least get along somehow. At least you can work on them in your own time. Other Comments by Notcrowingbutyawning
30. Comment #205463 by DamnDirtyApe on July 7, 2008 at 10:00 am
I'm sure they ment to say the 'cherry picked happy version of islam'.
Why do I get the feeling that particular cut and paste version of the quran will be very short?
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31. Comment #205606 by moderndaythomas on July 7, 2008 at 1:58 pm
burn0gas said: p.s. Harper says, "However we define God, it is wrong to kill in his name". Obviously he hasn't read the Quran or the Bible, and doesn't understand those text's definition of God.
No, he has his staff edit everything for content before hand.
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32. Comment #205643 by Eric Blair on July 7, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Harper's comments are not a policy statement nor indicative of anything in particular. He could have been at the opening of a new curling rink. The fact he used it to "celebrate" freedom of religion etc. is just his people trying to get the biggest bang out of the event.Traditionally, new immigrants (in the last 30 years or so) vote Liberal because Liberal governments let them in, so it might be seen as a vaguely new foray into Liberal territory - interesting as much because it's in "red-neck" Alberta as anything else.
"Our Mormons,"eh? You mean "morons"? More seriously, that would be borne out in how they themselves treat outsiders and "apostates" - Mormons have never been too liberal on that score...
EB
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33. Comment #205652 by Border Collie on July 7, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Damn, just knowing that there's another mosque on the North American continent makes me absolutely joyous and tingly all over ... Will someone please tell me where the Muslim ass-kissing line starts so I can get in line?Other Comments by Border Collie
34. Comment #205676 by spoo on July 7, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Well there's many ways to look at this:It's probably better to support something like Ahmadiyyas or a "less fundamentalist" version of Islam than your regular, raving mad cartoon demonstrators.
On the other hand, they're still religious and disillusioned wackos in some way of another, that sooner or later will want to impose their beliefs and influence laws and regulations to control your life in some way or another.
However, then again, the things they would suggest might not be as annoying/problematic as the things other nuts would come up with.
When fundamentalists come in and demand crazy stuff, they will usually be stopped at the door just because their views are, well, extreme. (Well, unless your state leaders are cowards and throw in the towel when extremists cry out about "discrimination", "hate speech" and "racism" to silence criticism and force their ways in.)
By allowing "moderates" to have influence or power (which they get by being accepted), there's also "death by a thousand cuts" scenario; it may over time lead to an accumulated amount of this and that's they want changed.
And, by accepting and recognizing moderates, you will probably also open the doors for more fundamentalist views and groups, as it's harder to differentiate between them and their views. However, again, this may lead to a progessive "watering out" of the regular fundamentalist kind.
Also, everyone knows about how political and military strategies of empowering your enemy's enemy sooner or later may backfire... (This is why I think the idea some people have about supporting Christians to fight the influence of Islam is really, REALLY wrong.)
At any rate; you won't be able to go from religion to atheism over night no matter how much you wish for it. So, it's a hard nut to crack. BUT - I don't think blind intolerance and cold shoulders is the way to go either, as that in the end may lead to radicalisation of those who once were more moderated in their views. It will also legitimate the views of the fundies, as they will get the excuse to say: "look, you don't even accept moderate Santaclausism!!".
I seriously don't see how multiculturalism can lead to much good unless all of the parties agree to let go of some principals, truths, rights and freedoms.
If you let go of secular values in favor of religious ones, we all know where it's heading.. (unless, of course, everyone converts to the same religion and we live happily ever after :P)
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35. Comment #205692 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Maybe working with oilmen in Alberta coloured my views, but I am still wondering how this was built in Calgary. Mind you, guess they could never do it in, say, Red Deer or Peace River :-)Saying all that, I predict there will be a growing congregation for the mosque...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7493829.stm
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36. Comment #205693 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I liked the Mormon reference too - as I recall Lethbridge was the Mormon Mecca in Canada, not too far from Calgaryhttp://www.lds.org/institutes/home/0,8473,768-1-36-60757,00.html
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37. Comment #205695 by Laurie Fraser on July 7, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Goldy,
Maybe working with oilmen in Alberta coloured my views
You've done everything, mate. Next you'll be telling us you were once a lumberjack(Cue Monty Python song.)
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38. Comment #205698 by Monique Woroniak on July 7, 2008 at 5:09 pm
"The mosque cost nearly $15 million to build with $8 million coming from local Calgarians.""Sigh."
I echo Tyler Durden's "sigh." The CBC's reported that some individuals took out a second mortgage in order to maximize their donation to the cause.
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39. Comment #205699 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:14 pm
You've done everything, mate. Next you'll be telling us you were once a lumberjack(Cue Monty Python song.)Life's too short ot sit around, move up a corporate ladder, become a manager, etc, etc...
Must lose weight - suspenders and my bra are getting tight... ;-)
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40. Comment #205703 by Radesq on July 7, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Being an Ahmadiyya will get you killed faster by other Muslims than being a Christian in Indonesia.http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2007/90137.htm
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41. Comment #205704 by Laurie Fraser on July 7, 2008 at 5:23 pm
How did the carburettors go? Other Comments by Laurie Fraser
42. Comment #205706 by Brian English on July 7, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Goldy is a double agent who likes Cabaret and long walks on the beach.....They weren't carburettors, they were carbine amunitions.....
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43. Comment #205707 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:30 pm
They look great. Found out they are basically the Graetzin carburettors as found on immediately pre-war BMWs.Now I need to have a look at the final drive to see why it has decided not to turn and then i can get cracking on seeing if the old girl will start.
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44. Comment #205708 by Goldy on July 7, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Heheheheheh! Funny you should say that, Brian. One of my bosses here thought I was a spy or something when she looked at my CV.I have to say I do sometimes miss Alberta....
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45. Comment #205710 by Brian English on July 7, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Good attempt at covering your trail Goldy. But I'm onto you.Other Comments by Brian English
46. Comment #205712 by Laurie Fraser on July 7, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I get it - "Goldy" short for "Goldfinger". Pheeeeww! The plot thickens, 007! Other Comments by Laurie Fraser
47. Comment #207796 by Miller on July 10, 2008 at 7:25 am
"People sold their houses and children broke their piggy banks and actually this was a great example of sacrificing,"The fact that CHILDREN were coerced to pay (at least in part) for this extavagency is absolutely abhorrent. They need that money for ice cream, like normal kids!
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1. Comment #205211 by SimplyIrresponsible on July 6, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I wonder if that means that they wear magical underwear as well?
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