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Perhaps it is time to shift from the more familiar process of legal and structural reform, to the less familiar and more time-consuming process of social reform. That way when it is time to bring in the 'add-ons' they will most probably be books authored by Richard Dawkins.3. Comment #207270 by JamesDB on July 9, 2008 at 12:23 pm
4. Comment #207271 by al-rawandi on July 9, 2008 at 12:23 pm
5. Comment #207273 by decius on July 9, 2008 at 12:30 pm
a bunch of slack jawed yokel kids
6. Comment #207277 by mesha on July 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm
7. Comment #207279 by aflacgirl84 on July 9, 2008 at 12:36 pm
My condolences to all those from Louisiana!8. Comment #207285 by steve8282 on July 9, 2008 at 12:52 pm
There is a reason that Steely Dan refer to them as flyover states.9. Comment #207293 by Zenith on July 9, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Because the law allows individual boards and teachers to make additions to the science curriculum without clearance from a state authority, the responsibility will lie with parents to mount a legal challenge to anything that appears to be an infringement of the separation of church and state.
10. Comment #207296 by Garnok on July 9, 2008 at 1:12 pm
"We believe that to teach young people critical thinking skills you have to give them both sides of an issue," says Gene Mills, executive director of the LFF.
11. Comment #207299 by Blondin on July 9, 2008 at 1:18 pm
It's tempting to adopt al-rawandi's attitude but we have to remember that the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging kids of today are the tradespeople, realtors, clerks, jurors, dentists, and *VOTERS* of tomorrow. We and our offspring may be at their mercy some day.12. Comment #207300 by Godfree Gordon on July 9, 2008 at 1:21 pm
13. Comment #207304 by Burt Likko on July 9, 2008 at 1:28 pm
14. Comment #207305 by MelM on July 9, 2008 at 1:30 pm
"Academic Freedom" doesn't have to directly teach ID or Creation Science; if crackpot teachers are able to trash Evolution the students' minds, faith and religion are protected from reason and science. Anti-reason, anti-science, anti-Western Civilization, and un-American; the "Christain Nation" movement is very dangerous.15. Comment #207310 by al-rawandi on July 9, 2008 at 1:38 pm
16. Comment #207311 by Crazy_Swede on July 9, 2008 at 1:40 pm
17. Comment #207312 by heafnerj on July 9, 2008 at 1:41 pm
18. Comment #207315 by ksskidude on July 9, 2008 at 1:45 pm
19. Comment #207319 by Ian Bamlett on July 9, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Just give up already. Your country is fucked.
20. Comment #207324 by phil rimmer on July 9, 2008 at 2:03 pm
21. Comment #207325 by Crazy_Swede on July 9, 2008 at 2:05 pm
22. Comment #207335 by tonykw on July 9, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Great.23. Comment #207336 by D'Arcy on July 9, 2008 at 2:16 pm
24. Comment #207338 by Ian Bamlett on July 9, 2008 at 2:18 pm
No. Just someone who realize where the US is headed
25. Comment #207343 by Border Collie on July 9, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Trying to save Louisiana from creationism is like trying to save Louisiana from mosquitos, Tobasco sauce and crayfish. It isn't going to happen. Louisiana is one of the most backward states in the US, if not THE most backward. I'm surprised that anyone can even spell 'evolution' there.26. Comment #207359 by liberalartist on July 9, 2008 at 3:10 pm
27. Comment #207367 by jenlaferriere on July 9, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I am so depressed to be an American today.
I have a few other ideas.
1) Voter IQ tests. Gotta beat 100 to get in the booth.
2) Targeted euthanasia, unborn, born, whatever. Fucking kill the morons.
These people (I hope) will not hold positions on the bench. Nor be anything but manual labor
28. Comment #207374 by GregPhillips on July 9, 2008 at 3:32 pm
29. Comment #207376 by MelM on July 9, 2008 at 3:34 pm
This is imposing the views of one cult--the "Christian Nation" cult--on the state of Louisiana.30. Comment #207384 by severalspeciesof on July 9, 2008 at 3:41 pm
31. Comment #207401 by Ed-words on July 9, 2008 at 4:54 pm
If they think kids should get BOTH sides of32. Comment #207403 by Rational_G on July 9, 2008 at 5:06 pm
33. Comment #207404 by 82abhilash on July 9, 2008 at 5:07 pm
It is not all that bad. All it means that people at the local level will be able to decide for themselves whether to teach creationism or not. It is not like someone from the top is telling everybody else what to teach in schools. Let the crazy teachers expose themselves with their useless 'add-ons'; let them make the rope to hang themselves with.34. Comment #207407 by Radesq on July 9, 2008 at 5:20 pm
35. Comment #207423 by 82abhilash on July 9, 2008 at 6:56 pm
35. Comment #207407 by Radesq on July 9, 2008 at 5:20 pm
While this is an unfortunate development I am guardedly optimistic..
36. Comment #207429 by squinky on July 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm
representatives from six states have taken up the idea. In Florida, Missouri, South Carolina and Alabama, bills were introduced but failed. An academic freedom bill now in committee in Michigan is expected to stall there.That's in addition to them having their Xtian asses handed to them in Dover.
37. Comment #207434 by Nephite on July 9, 2008 at 7:42 pm
And in the next breath these people say they're pro-education. What a lie!38. Comment #207435 by discipline on July 9, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Just give up already. Your country is fucked.
39. Comment #207447 by dragonfirematrix on July 9, 2008 at 8:39 pm
40. Comment #207465 by William Sierichs Jr. on July 9, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I'm as ticked off about Louisiana's law as every other defender of science against superstition, and I'm angry at the moronic public officials who have done massive damage to a troubled state that is desperately trying to attract high-tech businesses and better-educated workers/residents.41. Comment #207466 by mordacious1 on July 9, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Jindal is such a twat. If he becomes VP he could easily be President, with John McCain barely alive. This would mean we'd be replacing a bush with a twat...if we wanted that, we should have voted for Hilary, she has the real deal.42. Comment #207468 by William Sierichs Jr. on July 9, 2008 at 10:43 pm
A point I should have made in my post above: Having someone like Dawkins or Myers speak at N.O.'s Darwin Day could be used to generate a lot of statewide publicity for evolution/science and a lot of embarassment for the creationists. It would be even better if it could be shown that either one drew a bunch of out-of-state visitors to the event. That would be an exclamation point to the reasonable position.43. Comment #207475 by paulwwww on July 9, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I have to agree with 82Abhilash;It is not all that bad. All it means that people at the local level will be able to decide for themselves whether to teach creationism or not. It is not like someone from the top is telling everybody else what to teach in schools. Let the crazy teachers expose themselves with their useless 'add-ons'; let them make the rope to hang themselves with.
44. Comment #207495 by Raiko on July 10, 2008 at 12:21 am
45. Comment #207500 by YssiBoo on July 10, 2008 at 12:27 am
46. Comment #207502 by Christopher Davis on July 10, 2008 at 12:48 am
47. Comment #207538 by Tyler Durden on July 10, 2008 at 2:17 am
48. Comment #207579 by sornord on July 10, 2008 at 3:03 am
Teaching ID side-by-side with evolution is a perfect way to educate students about what the scientific method is, the ubiquity of logical fallacies, the nature of human irrationality, and the varieties of magical thinking. Debunking ID is like shooting fish in a barrel, after all.
49. Comment #207605 by MrPinz on July 10, 2008 at 3:49 am
50. Comment #207629 by half_arsed on July 10, 2008 at 4:11 am
Doesn't bringing ID into the classroom open its foundational principles to scientific scrutiny?
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