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Thursday, July 10, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Thousands Flock to Revival in Search of Miracles

by ABC News

Thanks to Brian Grant for the link.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaithMatters/story?id=5338963&page=1

Thousands Flock to Revival in Search of Miracles
Controversial Canadian Minister Says He Can Cure the Sick and Weary

Controversial Canadian Minister Says He Can Cure the Sick and Weary
By JEFFREY KOFMAN, KARSON YIU and NICHOLAS BRENNAN


A middle-aged woman suffering from ovarian cancer shakes back and forth, speaking in tongues.

A young child with spina bifida and splints on his legs tears them off and bolts across the stage. He cries as he declares that his legs have strength like never before.

"The boy's been healed," says the preacher as thousands cheer him on.

Meanwhile, Bill Wise sits quietly with one arm raised to the sky, the other tightly clutching his 2-year-old daughter, who was born with her bladder and colon outside of her body.

He prays for a miracle.

Todd Bentley, a tattooed Canadian, stands with a microphone in one hand and the other stretched out to this electrified crowd of nearly 10,000.

"Bam!" He yells. "Bam, bam, bam!"

Several people onstage with him collapse to the ground.

Bentley has led a rapidly growing throng of people from all over the world in a religious revival that has transformed the small city of Lakeland, Fla., into the center of an international phenomenon.

Wise flew from Seattle with his daughter, Caelyn, in hopes that Bentley would be able to help his child where modern medicine has failed.

Like so many here, Wise believes Bentley has a special connection with God.

"He is very close with the Lord," Wise said. "He has actively and passionately pursued God. My daughter needs a miracle."

Tens of thousands of others like Wise are making a pilgrimage to this small city in central Florida in hopes of finding a miracle.

Spreading the Word

Thanks to the Internet and satellite television, word of the revival spread quickly around the world to people like Jim Carter, who came to Lakeland from Anaheim, Calif., with his wife and daughter.

"We've been watching on the Internet since it started, basically," he said. "We just wanted to come down and first-hand experience."

Carter added, "We just want more of God, more of his presence and to see God change our country and bring America back to God."

From the looks of it, Carter's daughter, Tanya, is a typical American teenager. But she is deaf.

"She was onstage last night around 11 o'clock," Carter said. "Todd prayed for her, and she said she actually felt fire and heat in her right ear."

"The crowd just keeps growing," said Bentley. "We're drawing anywhere from five to ten thousand people a night, and up to 70 percent of the crowd is brand new every night," he said. "And they're coming from all over the world, more than 130 nations, from every background."

A Dark Past

With his arms, legs and chest covered in tattoos and his lip pierced with a stud, Bentley is not the image of an evangelist most people have in mind.

Born in British Columbia, Canada, Bentley said he led a rough life before finding God.

He says his mom raised him on welfare, parading a succession of boyfriends through the house. When he saw his dad, even as boy, Bentley said it was to get drunk together and do drugs.

You know it's a cycle of destructive abuse. Alcoholism, drugs, drinking at 11, I got involved in all kinds of criminal activity and ended up in prison before I was 15," he said.

At 15, Bentley was incarcerated for sexual abuse, a crime he committed when he was 13 against a younger boy.

Bentley, however, doesn't shy away from talking about his past and takes responsibility for his crimes.

"I'm very open about my past. I've written a book and it's in my autobiography," he said. "I served time in prison for my crime."

"I'd break into vehicles, I'd steal, as I got older, I'd take your pot, I'd take your drugs. I got involved with people who were affiliated with gangs and bikers."

At 18, Bentley said he found God, something he neither expected nor anticipated.

"God found me in my drug dealer's trailer and spoke to me in an audible voice," he said. "I was instantly delivered from drug and alcohol addiction, I never had one craving, not one withdrawal symptom, I was transformed from that man to the man that I am today."

"I see myself, you know, as a sinner saved by grace the same way the tax collectors, prostitutes and sinners were saved in the Bible," Bentley said.

It's not clear if the tens of thousands who are coming to Lakeland know all about Bentley's past, but they do know that he makes a virtue of repenting and embracing the Lord.

A Town Reacts

Amidst the frenetic passion of the revival not everyone is embracing the movement with open arms.

Ellen Simms owns a small store on Main Street, and though she has seen an increase in business over the past few weeks, the whole movement makes her uncomfortable.

"Miracles may happen, but this is such theater that it bothers me," she said while sitting behind the counter of her store in downtown Lakeland. "I'm not buying it."

Others are even more skeptical.

"They're just using this as a gimmick to make money," said June Cochran, who has been in a wheelchair all her life due to cerebral palsy.

Cochran said that people from the revival have lobbied her to attend the revival so that she can be "cured." She's a deeply religious person but she is offended by the tone of Bentley's revival.

"At first I didn't know how to respond, but they're not hearing what they're saying. They're saying that there is something wrong with us and that if we do not have our self-esteem already built up, it tears us down even more. Like we're not even worthy to be here."

Rev. Jeff White, a pastor at a local Missionary church in Lakeland, heard so much talk about Todd Bentley and the revival tent that he wanted to see it for himself.

He struggled with what he saw.

"I've had to fight skepticism and cynicism because I truly believe that God heals. I really believe his powers are real and it is today," White said. "I can't say that my spirit enters in and joins in with some of the things we've seen here tonight."

Bentley said he expects skepticism and embraces it.

"I would encourage the skeptic, come to a meeting, sit in a meeting for two days, see what happens to you," he said. "I'll pray for a skeptic. I'm not afraid of skeptics, I expect skeptics."

The Healing Touch?

When asked to present evidence of the healings, Bentley promised to give "Nightline" the names and medical records of three followers who would talk openly about his miracles. He never delivered. Instead, his staff gave "Nightline" a binder filled with what he says are inspiring miracles, but with scant hard evidence. It offered incomplete contact information, a few pages of incomplete medical records, and the doctors' names were crossed out.

When pressed further, Bentley provided the name of a woman in California who had a large tumor in her uterus that shrank after she saw Bentley.

Her husband, however, told "Nightline" that it could be a coincidence because she was still undergoing medical treatment. He said she was too ill to talk to the media.

The husband did provide some of his wife's medical records from a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where she went for cancer treatment after being turned away by American hospitals. The wife, however, insisted on obscuring the clinic's name and the names of the doctors.

Not a single claim of Bentley's healing powers could be independently verified.

Bentley, however, remains positive.

"I believe God is real and he's showing himself to his people," he said. "Yes, I believe the prayer of faith will save the sick."

Bentley's revival is filled with wheelchairs and crutches, with people of faith and people desperate for salvation through faith.

One of them is Bill Wise. He patiently tended his desperately ill baby daughter throughout the long night's revival. He listened for a call from Bentley offering a cure for his child's condition. But it never came.

Yet Wise defiantly refuses to lose faith.

"Even if we don't see any change, in the immediate run here, sometimes prayer is cumulative," Wise said.

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1. Comment #208432 by coodgee on July 11, 2008 at 12:10 am

Fucking Charlatans

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2. Comment #208437 by Jamie V on July 11, 2008 at 12:20 am

Not a single claim of Bentley's healing powers could be independently verified.


Bingo!

Bentley seems to have had a horrible life growing up, yet he managed to break the cycle on his own. Trouble is, he'll never see it that way.

If people would realise that the power to change their lives for the better came from within themselves and not from an imaginary higher power, it would do no end of good for their self-esteem. It saddens me that religious beliefs not only stop people taking responsibility for their own thoughts and prejudices, but it also robs them of any genuine feeling of self-achievement.

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3. Comment #208447 by scottishgeologist on July 11, 2008 at 12:31 am

 avatarAlso worth pointing out that there are a lot of Christians who are very suspicious of this guy. In my own faith-head days, I was very much a "cessationist" . This sort of charismatic crap really took off with the "Toronto Blessing" in the early 90s - there have been huge amounts of charismaniac madness since

Its all part of the lying "signs and wonders" movement. There are entire websites devoted to decrying this sort of thing.

Its just lies heaped on bullshit stacked on deception underpinned by gullibility and most unfortunately, in some cases, desperation for a cure.

Wonder what clearthinker's take is on all this? He's a crypto-charismaniac anyway...

Come on, speak up....

:-)

SG

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4. Comment #208454 by HitbLade on July 11, 2008 at 12:44 am

WILL THEY EVER LEARN!?

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5. Comment #208455 by rod-the-farmer on July 11, 2008 at 12:45 am

 avatarMissing from the article is any detail about what funds this operation. Do people pay to attend, or just pay to "be healed" ? If I walk with a limp, can I claim that "My knee is the root of all evil" ?
No one ever went wrong over-estimating the gullibility of humans.

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6. Comment #208466 by Shaka on July 11, 2008 at 1:03 am

 avatarHumans are so easily mislead and brainwashed it's pathetic.

He doesn't even have any evidence. Why don't they show these so called " miracles" on video and upload them to a website, such as youtube? Or even on tv, and have follow ups on the people that are supposidly healed?

Oh wait, thats because " miracles" are NOT real. I thought Lieing is a Sin? Damn hypocrits.

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7. Comment #208470 by King of NH on July 11, 2008 at 1:14 am

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One of them is Bill Wise. He patiently tended his desperately ill baby daughter throughout the long night's revival. He listened for a call from Bentley offering a cure for his child's condition. But it never came.


This is wrong. This is why religion is sick. Religion doesn't help people cope, it helps them hide from reality, an overall devastating strategy. Whose lack of faith will Mr Wise blame for his daughter's death?

Bently should be thrown in prison for false medical claims. I would be if I sold homemade pills as a cure for anything.

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8. Comment #208481 by Johan on July 11, 2008 at 1:27 am

"God found me in my drug dealer's trailer and spoke to me in an audible voice,"

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where that voice came from.

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9. Comment #208489 by black wolf on July 11, 2008 at 1:36 am

 avatarA guy damages his brain with hard drugs for years and then hears a voice in his head one day...
Of course it must be a miracle.

He learned a good lesson from his past: you get sent to jail for committing crimes. If you don't like that, go find the next best job that gets the cash rolling in without actually working for it or learning anything. No taxes, official protection to fleece your fellow people with simple stage performance, no requirement to actually deliver what you promise - the best job in the world (and one of the oldest ever invented). If you're unscrupulous enough to do it. Almost as good as getting paid by the taxpayers via the government for transforming crackers into crackers.

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10. Comment #208491 by irate_atheist on July 11, 2008 at 1:39 am

 avatarTotal fucktards.

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11. Comment #208502 by 8teist on July 11, 2008 at 1:48 am

 avatarThere`s a fucktard born every minute , and it don`t look like slowing down.

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12. Comment #208508 by mikecbraun on July 11, 2008 at 2:00 am

 avatarBam! Bam, bam, bam! ???
Does this guy throw essence on people? Do they cheer for extra garlic? Emeril might have a juicy lawsuit on his hands...

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13. Comment #208510 by 8teist on July 11, 2008 at 2:02 am

 avatarI wonder how much it costs to have a severed nerve repaired by a miracle?

Is there a website where I can find a pricelist for assorted miracles?

I wonder, does he do plastic miracles? Perhaps a couple of 44DDs for the girlfriend.
OOpps better not let the wife see that last one.

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14. Comment #208513 by notsobad on July 11, 2008 at 2:07 am

 avatarStupid is as stupid does, eh.

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15. Comment #208515 by GordonYKWong on July 11, 2008 at 2:09 am

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"Even if we don't see any change, in the immediate run here, sometimes prayer is cumulative," Wise said.


uh-huh...
...
...


Why don't Todd Bentley pray that god rid the world of Cancer, in one swoop, get rid of it all??... we can all pray together, it is all accumulative right?

What is this one at a time shit? Millions of cancer sufferer need healing now!

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16. Comment #208518 by The Truth, the light on July 11, 2008 at 2:14 am

 avatarLet's see him heal amputees.

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17. Comment #208519 by 8teist on July 11, 2008 at 2:15 am

 avatarBut Gordo that would be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs,what would Todd do with no sick people to rip off.

Having said that ,if you are stoopid enough to believe this bullshit there`s no hope for them anyhoo.

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18. Comment #208521 by DamnDirtyApe on July 11, 2008 at 2:17 am

 avatar16. Comment #208518 by The Truth, the light on July 11, 2008 at 2:14 am

Damn, you beat me to it.

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19. Comment #208522 by mikecbraun on July 11, 2008 at 2:17 am

 avatar"God found me in my drug dealer's trailer and spoke to me in an audible voice," he said. "I was instantly delivered from drug and alcohol addiction, I never had one craving, not one withdrawal symptom, I was transformed from that man to the man that I am today."
"I see myself, you know, as a sinner saved by grace the same way the tax collectors, prostitutes and sinners were saved in the Bible," Bentley said.

It wasn't God, asshole, it was your common sense and evolutionarily-ingrained instinct of self-preservation. These jerks always want to show the world how they conquered some vice of their own, and then try to 'save' others from doing the same. I knew some missionaries when I lived in Russia (fellow Americans, of course, sponsored by their church on an adoption/evangelism mission), and they all had their little stories: "I used to be a sex addict, then I found Jesus." Oh yeah, where was he, and did he catch you masturbating? "I used to drink a lot, then I had a revelation one day." Yeah, buy me a beer and I'll listen to your tale. Better yet, buy me five. Why can't people like this ever give credit to themselves and the real people and possibly medications and programs that helped them turn their lives around, instead of thinking some divine creator is watching out for them? What are they afraid of? Talk about ego.

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20. Comment #208554 by Sproof on July 11, 2008 at 3:15 am

"And then he asked me to give him absolute proof that there is no God,"me.
No just-theory.

Bentley, would you ask a question like that?

Are you stupid? Any fool could easily answer you?

Right?

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21. Comment #208558 by scottishgeologist on July 11, 2008 at 3:19 am

 avatarHeres a thought - since this guy is presumably "healing" by Gods grace and through application of the Holy Spirit, send him out to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Next time there is a car bombing or an IED or whatever, send him in to resurrect the corpses and to put the shattered limbs back on.

Go on, pal, lets see you try. Nothing is too hard for God now is it?

"The word of the Lord came to Jeremiah "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is anything too hard for me?" from Jeremiah 32

Not holding my breath......

:-)
SG

PS: This is the 'tard that claimed that "God told him to get tatoos" Presumably the same God who says in Leviticus:

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD (Lev 19:28)

And yet people are taken in by this bullshit, lies and deceit...

None so blind as those who refuse to see.

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22. Comment #208563 by nalfeshnee on July 11, 2008 at 3:24 am


If people would realise that the power to change their lives for the better came from within themselves and not from an imaginary higher power, it would do no end of good for their self-esteem. It saddens me that religious beliefs not only stop people taking responsibility for their own thoughts and prejudices, but it also robs them of any genuine feeling of self-achievement.


Hitchens' "dog/cat" psychology argument (not sure it is his originally) is so spot on.

Dog phase: you are dirt and should obey your Lord. Whine and cower......
Cat phase: you are chosen and lovely and will live for ever! Strokey-stroke and purrrrr!!

Religion: a powerful appeal to our basest instincts.

People like Bentley are EXACTLY the kind of people I would expect to "get" religion.

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23. Comment #208571 by Duff on July 11, 2008 at 3:32 am

I'll bet you all a dollar that in a couple of years, if not sooner, this "man of god" is caught doing something illegal. Probably doing drugs or not paying his taxes. They are all criminals.

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24. Comment #208595 by bobsully on July 11, 2008 at 4:09 am

 avatarTodd Bentley was in prison for sexually molesting a seven year old boy. A predator at an early age. Seems in prison he has learned to fine tune his assault with noise rather than boys. BAM, BAM, BAM... foolish people.

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25. Comment #208627 by Sproof on July 11, 2008 at 5:13 am

Bentley you big goof--me too; it's sort of like the quote from Wikipedia by Carl Jung:
"I can't do it better than Jesus."


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26. Comment #208638 by wengerj on July 11, 2008 at 5:32 am

Wait a minute! If it's god's will for these people to be sick, why would he suddenly change his mind because some bozo asked him? If their god is all-knowing and all-wise, then they should just accept their infirmities as part of god's plan. I hate these phony jerks!

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27. Comment #208646 by axeanne on July 11, 2008 at 5:44 am

Bring your crutches, wheel chairs and all ailments that can be faked. Then I will cure you.

Bring your daughter whose bladder and intestines are not inside of her body, but outside, you are SOL.

check out www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com

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28. Comment #208704 by BW022 on July 11, 2008 at 6:55 am

Wow... tens of thousands of people taking their children to see a sex offender?

I'm curious, but why did US immigration let someone with a criminal record of into the US? Lots of folks can't get in due to parking tickets and this guy sexually abused a child?

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29. Comment #208716 by j.mills on July 11, 2008 at 7:14 am

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But she is deaf.

"She was onstage last night around 11 o'clock," Carter said. "Todd prayed for her, and she said she actually felt fire and heat in her right ear."

Darn it! If only they'd prayed just a little bit harder, God might not have been such a teasing bastard.

"Even if we don't see any change, in the immediate run here, sometimes prayer is cumulative," Wise said.

Like Hitchens said, you can't refute it, only underline it.

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30. Comment #208723 by David J on July 11, 2008 at 7:19 am

 avatarCan I get a "placebo" anyone???

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31. Comment #208735 by b0ltzm0n on July 11, 2008 at 7:33 am

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Let's see him heal amputees.


God hates amputees. Didn't you get the memo?

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32. Comment #208745 by Ishruul on July 11, 2008 at 7:54 am

 avatarI guess prayer is like the lottery, 148665168761245 playing: 1 winner and all the media frenzy over the miracle of god listening and anwsering to that particular prayer.

I'm not sure god is so omnipotent, cause he doesn't seem to be able to get all prayers in time...hmmmm....must still be using a 14k/min modem or something.

--MEMO to GOD-- get a better wireless connection.

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33. Comment #208748 by bentleyd on July 11, 2008 at 7:59 am

 avatarUggggh! Bentley is my last name. How embarrassing!

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34. Comment #208753 by Border Collie on July 11, 2008 at 8:03 am

I'm as much of a hard case as many of you guys. The faith healers are worse than fingernails on a chalkboard to me also. This makes me very sad, however. I just try to have compassion for those people who are suffering. Maybe the whole thing is sickening but I can't pass judgment on a father whose daughter has internal organs on the outside esp. in a country wherein medical care is disappearing and has disappeared for tens of millions.

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35. Comment #208754 by Jesus was a zombie on July 11, 2008 at 8:06 am

 avatarThis kind of stuff really pisses me of. Hey folks, medicine couldn't help ya? Well then why not come and grovel to the supernatural force that presumable maimed you in the first place and maybe your ear will heat up. Maybe.
Oh yeah and i'll need money too.
It boils my blood that the money that is going to quacks such as this could be spent on research that could lead to REAL cures.

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36. Comment #208756 by Ian Bamlett on July 11, 2008 at 8:08 am

 avatarI do feel sorry for the people with incurable medical conditions who also believe in a just and merciful god.

Since these two cannot be reconciled, it seems quite obvious that deluding yourself into believing God can and WILL cure you is the only way to stay Sane. (I am using sane loosley here of course)

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37. Comment #208759 by ridelo on July 11, 2008 at 8:11 am

I cannot read this any more without becoming depressed.

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38. Comment #208761 by mordacious1 on July 11, 2008 at 8:13 am

Cutting edge reporting by ABC news here.

It's easy for them to report on this kind of thing, even most xians will say, "oh, that's funny, glad I don't believe in silly things like that."

Why won't ABC news take it a step further and show how it is the bible and the moronic belief system that these people are raised with, that allows this kind of crap to exist? It's like a lot of naked people standing around laughing at the king, because he has no clothes.

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39. Comment #208762 by Ishruul on July 11, 2008 at 8:15 am

 avatarHas Kryten the wise once confessed:

-''The idea of heaven was created so you don't all go nuts!''

Red Dwarf- season 3ish of so, surely misquoted but still the basic idea.

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40. Comment #208767 by Angelic_Atheist on July 11, 2008 at 8:20 am

I saw this program the other night....he reminds me of haggard or what ever his name is....this guy is in it ONLY for the money and what do you wanna bet he's still on drugs. He heard the "audible voice" because he was high as a kite.
American christians are sooo gulible, and those in "the south" are even more so. Easy pickins.

Soooooooo transparent

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41. Comment #208789 by Spinoza on July 11, 2008 at 8:55 am

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Bentley said he led a rough life before finding God.

Unfortunately that is exceedingly common for pentecostal/evangelical Christianity.

It's a weird sight to behold a room full of ex-cons babbling, crying, and rocking back and forth.

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42. Comment #208791 by ukvillafan on July 11, 2008 at 8:55 am

 avatarI have sympathy only for those without the capacity to make reasoned choices. So, compassion for the child with the organs external to her body, but none whatsoever for the parent who is old enough, but sadly not wise enough, to choose reason over superstition. If you choose to follow such ridiculous nonsense then you deserve to be ripped off.

As far as Bentley is concerned I have nothing but contempt. For the country that allows this sort of rubbish, this outright exploitation to continue to prosper, I feel revulsion.

Really, before you know it you will be a nation completely controlled by fundamentalist right-wing so-called xian whackos with an army run by right-wing so-called xian whackos jointly in charge of an arsenal of nuclear weapons that they will have no hesitation in using. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy of Rapture.

Get organised people, because if you think it is bad now, just wait until they really do take charge!

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43. Comment #208799 by Tezcatlipoca on July 11, 2008 at 9:08 am

 avatarSince this charlatan is in Lakeland Florida and he welcomes skeptics then perhaps he should take a little trip to Fort Lauderdale and go and collect on the James Randi Educational Foundation's million dollar challenge. Gosh that million bucks would go a long way towards helping all the sick and infirm who aren't helped by this guy's "miraculous" powers.

What a despicable piece of excrement this con artist is. And what an enabler faith is.

-edit- 8theist, the problem is that some of these people are extremely desperate and this desperation is what is causing them to lose their reason.

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44. Comment #208805 by Jesus was a zombie on July 11, 2008 at 9:14 am

 avatarI'm a little confused as to why that poor girl couldn't be helped. My knowledge of embryology and fetal development is not first rate (i've only just finished my 1st year of med school, we didn't cover much in the way of body wall abnormalities), but according to my copy of Langman's body wall defects can (usually)be resolved by surgery. I'm wondering if this is more a problem of funding (i know surgery can be quite expensive in the U.S).

Whatever the problem i have to agree with ukvillafan.

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45. Comment #208844 by Lucas on July 11, 2008 at 9:49 am

 avatarI don't believe his life story. There are surely shreds of truth in there, but given that he makes his living as a professional liar, I'm suspicious of his little conversion story. Can anyone verify his story without recourse to his autobiography?

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46. Comment #208848 by catskill on July 11, 2008 at 9:52 am

 avatarThe article and the story about it on ABC Nightline does not even mention some of the best stuff. People from this claim and talk about gold dust falling from the sky, about diamonds appearing. Bentley has a special part of the service where he asks for dental miracles. Seriously. And there are people online posting stories of amazing dental miracles.

I have been in a long running comment debate with people who actually go to this thing. I debunk many of the claims but they just don't care. They are really scary people.

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47. Comment #208852 by Tezcatlipoca on July 11, 2008 at 9:59 am

 avatarChaya! What was I thinking, suggesting the JREF challenge. Bentley is probably raking in much more in "donatons" for his hokum.

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48. Comment #208888 by Ishruul on July 11, 2008 at 10:51 am

 avatarThere's this guy who use to live in the neighbor, he actually has a magic miracle healing thumb.

http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2000/122100/news3.html

Unfortunately, he was wrongly accuse of some impossible crime, for the lord spoke to him or whatever he claimed.

Too bad the church didn't bavck this one up! All hail Xemu!!!

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49. Comment #208913 by liberalartist on July 11, 2008 at 11:27 am

 avatarif there is a sucker born every minute then there is a religious sucker born every second! It is sad and pathetic to see so many people unhappy in their lives and desperately looking for something supernatural to explain or fix things. It is as if they have no sense of themselves and need something bigger than they are to take care of them. I really feel sorry for these people.

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50. Comment #208977 by thewhitepearl on July 11, 2008 at 1:12 pm

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She was onstage last night around 11 o'clock," Carter said. "Todd prayed for her, and she said she actually felt fire and heat in her right ear."


So the miracle is she felt fire and heat in her right ear?......But she is still deaf?

Suckers.

One of them is Bill Wise. He patiently tended his desperately ill baby daughter throughout the long night's revival. He listened for a call from Bentley offering a cure for his child's condition. But it never came.

Yet Wise defiantly refuses to lose faith.

"Even if we don't see any change, in the immediate run here, sometimes prayer is cumulative," Wise said.


That story makes me want to slap the poor guy upside his head and cry. It's so heartbreaking to see people hold so strongly to a faith and belief system that is nothing more than a form of instant gratification. In the long run will just prove to be pointless and possibly more heartbreaking than just dealing with the issue head on in the realm of reality.

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