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I thought this was going to be another creationist rebuke... :(3. Comment #212074 by Jenny Taylier on July 16, 2008 at 3:09 pm
"I think his reaction would be a mix of satisfaction and astonishment."4. Comment #212078 by Simonw on July 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Eshto, it is depressing how ignorant folk are of modern science, especially genetics.5. Comment #212086 by Gregg Townsend on July 16, 2008 at 3:27 pm
6. Comment #212093 by riemann on July 16, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Wolbachia can have a number of effects, but one of the most common is to kill all a female's sons.
7. Comment #212105 by Quine on July 16, 2008 at 3:56 pm
8. Comment #212107 by shaunfletcher on July 16, 2008 at 4:00 pm
9. Comment #212126 by mordacious1 on July 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Gregg10. Comment #212128 by Styrer- on July 16, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Yep. Quite right.11. Comment #212160 by Mango on July 16, 2008 at 6:03 pm
12. Comment #212161 by CrimsonRick on July 16, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I wasn't sure what the article was going to be about but I can definitely see where they're coming from.13. Comment #212173 by bskolar on July 16, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I agree with the comments made in this article. In fact, I've been thinking along these lines for quite some time. To those who are well-informed, I'm sure they know the difference between "Darwinism" (whatever that is) and evolutionary biology. But to those who are uninformed, they're the same thing. For example, I saw a segment on a talk show that airs on a Christian network that was about the rise of "New Atheism" (another term I'd like to see disappear.) At one point in this segment they referred to Darwin as "the founder of the theory of evolution". To many the theory of evolution begins and ends with Darwin. It is thought that any argument against Darwin discredits evolution. This needs to change.14. Comment #212175 by Cartomancer on July 16, 2008 at 6:53 pm
15. Comment #212188 by chuckgoecke on July 16, 2008 at 7:30 pm
16. Comment #212189 by 35bluejacket on July 16, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Simonw17. Comment #212192 by BigJohn on July 16, 2008 at 7:37 pm
18. Comment #212199 by catskill on July 16, 2008 at 7:49 pm
19. Comment #212207 by GoodLittleAtheist on July 16, 2008 at 8:07 pm
So they convince themselves that, being an ism, it can be refuted, argued against, outright rejected if they wish... without one ever realising that, far from being debatable, the essence of Darwinism, evolution by natural selection, is a fact, as RD once said, like a table being a table, and not anything else, is a fact.
20. Comment #212214 by Styrer- on July 16, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Comment #212188 by chuckgoecke on July 16, 2008 at 7:30 pm21. Comment #212220 by hopeful on July 16, 2008 at 8:48 pm
It isn't surprising that religious people attempt to portray Darwin as a prophet and his books as sacred texts.22. Comment #212223 by Laurie Fraser on July 16, 2008 at 8:56 pm
23. Comment #212227 by Christopher Davis on July 16, 2008 at 9:16 pm
24. Comment #212230 by DalaiDrivel on July 16, 2008 at 9:23 pm
GoodLittleAtheist.25. Comment #212232 by Bonzai on July 16, 2008 at 9:31 pm
So are you Newtonian or a Hamiltonian? Or, Heisenbergism and Schrodingerism turned out to be just different languages of saying the same thing and they were hence forth united and became Diracism,--boy this is a hard one.26. Comment #212250 by Gordy on July 16, 2008 at 10:45 pm
27. Comment #212323 by bugaboo on July 17, 2008 at 2:32 am
14. Comment #212175 by Cartomancer28. Comment #212329 by Christopher Davis on July 17, 2008 at 2:44 am
29. Comment #212348 by hungarianelephant on July 17, 2008 at 4:06 am
30. Comment #212378 by GoodLittleAtheist on July 17, 2008 at 5:59 am
Oh, I think so. Without proving evolution by natural selection means we're left pretty much nowhere.
I must state first that I am not an expert in biology. Quite. :) However, I'll warrant that you don't need a century of thorough experimentation to prove plain old evolution. Everybody can accept evolution. Everybody understands evolution as a non-contextual concept and can name any non-biological example.
Put in short- everything evolves.
A fact. As you said.
Given my aforementioned limited understanding of biology in general, I nonetheless feel confident in saying that "Darwinism" (in its clearest sense) implies biological evolution, devoid of sociological interpretation.
31. Comment #212387 by epeeist on July 17, 2008 at 6:33 am
I can't decide which to go for, does that make me an indeterminist?
So are you Newtonian or a Hamiltonian? Or, Heisenbergism and Schrodingerism turned out to be just different languages of saying the same thing and they were hence forth united and became Diracism
32. Comment #212389 by nalfeshnee on July 17, 2008 at 6:43 am
Simonw wrote:
But the progress in genetics in the last 70 years is simply staggering - from discovering DNA to experiments where in order to conduct the experiment in the first place you have to create a genetically modified fruit fly who can only remember stuff when you warm it up.
33. Comment #212394 by BicycleRepairMan on July 17, 2008 at 6:54 am
34. Comment #212402 by Ian Bamlett on July 17, 2008 at 7:03 am
I think this concept of earth-time is beyond the (current) imagination of most people....This is one of the bigger stumbling blocks in the acceptance of evolution's explanatory power
35. Comment #212408 by bugaboo on July 17, 2008 at 7:14 am
32. Comment #212389 by nalfeshnee36. Comment #212413 by SilentMike on July 17, 2008 at 7:24 am
A lot of people don't like the "isms". I can relate. I'm not to crazy about the "isms" either most of the time. But the truth is you can't really avoid them. When you want to define yourself or others and what you believe and what they believe, you always need words for the basic world views. Those words are always too general, the always neglect to address (warning. this is a wrong use of that word) important details and they are always necessary. You can't avoid generalizations. You just have to try and be as clear as possible about what you mean. Darwin had played an important role in the way science sees the evolution of species, it seems reasonable to name our view of evolution after him, even though we've made many discoveries since his time.37. Comment #212415 by Robert Maynard on July 17, 2008 at 7:25 am
38. Comment #212429 by David J on July 17, 2008 at 7:56 am
39. Comment #212430 by Ian Bamlett on July 17, 2008 at 7:58 am
One could probably bring back any "great thinker" from the past, show them their current movement, or what their movement has become, and said "great thinker" would cringe at the sight, find it unrecognizable, or want to make some immediate changes right away.
40. Comment #212431 by David J on July 17, 2008 at 8:00 am
41. Comment #212437 by Christopher Davis on July 17, 2008 at 8:08 am
42. Comment #212446 by David J on July 17, 2008 at 8:21 am
43. Comment #212448 by bugaboo on July 17, 2008 at 8:24 am
If you brought back Mohammed he'd probably be quite pleased.
44. Comment #212488 by Border Collie on July 17, 2008 at 8:59 am
I don't see Darwin as being 'wrong' on anything. He simply did an astonishing job with what he had. It's always easy to judge the past with that 20/20 hindsight if that's what one chooses to do. A hundred fifty years from now, if we're not all a bunch of eastward-bowing rug-bumpers, there will be people saying that today's scientists were 'wrong'. The statement will be literally true ... so what? Today's scientists are doing the best they can with what they have.45. Comment #212495 by gcdavis on July 17, 2008 at 9:04 am
46. Comment #212506 by temujin on July 17, 2008 at 9:16 am
47. Comment #212565 by beelzebub on July 17, 2008 at 10:54 am
48. Comment #212631 by gr8hands on July 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Cartomancer, according to Merriam-Webster, Darwinism first appeared in language in 1864.Main Entry:
DarΒ·winΒ·ism
Function:
noun
Date:
1864
1 : a theory of the origin and perpetuation of new species of animals and plants that offspring of a given organism vary, that natural selection favors the survival of some of these variations over others, that new species have arisen and may continue to arise by these processes, and that widely divergent groups of plants and animals have arisen from the same ancestors" compare evolution 4, neo-Darwinism
2 : a theory that inherent dynamic forces allow only the fittest persons or organizations to prosper in a competitive environment or situation" compare Social Darwinism
49. Comment #212637 by DalaiDrivel on July 17, 2008 at 1:30 pm
GoodLittleAtheist50. Comment #212674 by Mitchell Gilks on July 17, 2008 at 2:23 pm
1. Comment #212068 by Eshto on July 16, 2008 at 2:57 pm
My Christian friend expressed skepticism toward evolution, because, he said, surely Darwin must have been wrong about some things. He was, I told him. For example he knew nothing about genetics and his theory of heredity was wrong, and corrected later. That satisfied my friend. Somehow he had gotten the idea that science has been standing still since Darwin. He just needed someone to explain things to him.
I also noticed the right wing only attacks Darwin, and I think sometimes they know they are doing it. On Book TV once I even saw Ann Coulter (... oop hold on... feeling a little sick... burp... gag... okay I'm fine now, where was I?) start to bash evolution, and she started saying the word but corrected herself! She said something like "oh those godless liberals believe in evolu... I mean Darwinism, blah blah blah, venom venom venom".
That made me think she might be somewhat aware that she's attacking straw men.
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