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Thursday, July 17, 2008 | Reason : In the News | print version Print | Comments

Document Researchers Discover Remnant of an Ancient 'RNA World'

by PhysOrg

Thanks to Cyberguy for the link.

http://www.physorg.com/news135522723.html

Researchers Discover Remnant of an Ancient 'RNA World'

(PhysOrg.com) -- Some bacterial cells can swim, morph into new forms and even become dangerously virulent - all without initial involvement of DNA. Yale University researchers describe Friday in the journal Science how bacteria accomplish this amazing feat - and in doing so provide a glimpse of what the earliest forms of life on Earth may have looked like.

To initiate many important functions, bacteria sometimes depend entirely upon ancient forms of RNA, once viewed simply as the chemical intermediary between DNA's instruction manual and the creation of proteins, said Ronald Breaker, the Henry Ford II Professor of Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology at Yale and senior author of the study.

Proteins carry out almost all of life's cellular functions today, but many scientists like Breaker believe this was not always the case and have found many examples in which RNA plays a surprisingly large role in regulating cellular activity. The Science study illustrates that - in bacteria, at least - proteins are not always necessary to spur a host of fundamental cellular changes, a process Breaker believes was common on Earth some 4 billion years ago, well before DNA existed.

"How could RNA trigger changes in ancient cells without all the proteins present in modern cells? Well, in this case, no proteins, no problem," said Breaker, who is also a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator.

Breaker's lab solved a decades-old mystery by describing how tiny circular RNA molecules called cyclic di-GMP are able to turn genes on and off. This process determines whether the bacterium swims or stays stationary, and whether it remains solitary or joins with other bacteria to form organic masses called biofilms. For example, in Vibrio cholerae, the bacterium that causes cholera, cyclic di-GMP turns off production of a protein the bacterium needs to attach to human intestines.

The tiny RNA molecule, comprised of only two nucleotides, activates a larger RNA structure called a riboswitch. Breaker's lab discovered riboswitches in bacteria six years ago and has since shown that they can regulate a surprising amount of biological activity. Riboswitches, located within single strands of messenger RNA that transmit a copy of DNA's genetic instructions, can independently "decide'' which genes in the cell to activate, an ability once thought to rest exclusively with proteins.

Breaker had chemically created riboswitches in his own lab and - given their efficiency at regulating gene expressions - predicted such RNA structures would be found in nature. Since 2002, almost 20 classes of riboswitches, including the one described in today's paper, have been discovered, mostly hidden in non-gene-coding regions on DNA.

"We predicted that there would be an ancient 'RNA city' out there in the jungle, and we went out and found it,'' Breaker said.

Bacterial use of RNA to trigger major changes without the involvement of proteins resolves one of the questions about the origin of life: If proteins are needed to carry out life's functions and DNA is needed to make proteins, how did DNA arise?

The answer is what Breaker and other researchers call the RNA World. They believe that billions of years ago, single strands of nucleotides that comprise RNA were the first forms of life and carried out some of the complicated cellular functions now done by proteins. The riboswitches are highly conserved in bacteria, illustrating their importance and ancient ancestry, Breaker said.

Understanding how these RNA mechanisms work could lead to medical treatments as well, Breaker noted. For instance, a molecule that mimics cyclic di-GMP could be used to disable or disarm bacterial infections such as cholera, he said.

Provided by Yale University

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1. Comment #212956 by kraut on July 17, 2008 at 10:54 pm

They believe that billions of years ago, single strands of nucleotides that comprise RNA were the first forms of life and carried out some of the complicated cellular functions now done by proteins.


there is a gap in here somewhere...

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2. Comment #212957 by lievemebe on July 17, 2008 at 10:55 pm

One more poke in the eye for creationists.

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3. Comment #212970 by HitbLade on July 17, 2008 at 11:55 pm

show me each transitional form. each generation. no? well that's proof of god's existence!

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4. Comment #212985 by garywheron on July 18, 2008 at 12:39 am

The God of the gaps just got a little smaller.

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5. Comment #212986 by cyberguy on July 18, 2008 at 12:41 am

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"We predicted that there would be an ancient 'RNA city' out there in the jungle, and we went out and found it,'' Breaker said.

What a beautiful example of the scientific method in use, and what a stunning result - which leads to a whole new way of looking at disease.

...a molecule that mimics cyclic di-GMP could be used to disable or disarm bacterial infections such as cholera, he said.

A deep understanding of evolutionary principles lead to this result. Not Religion, and definitely not ID!

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6. Comment #212990 by Cluebot on July 18, 2008 at 1:02 am

Still seems a way off identifying a credible "first replicator," but perhaps another step closer to a detailed biogenesis theory?

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7. Comment #212992 by Shane McKee on July 18, 2008 at 1:11 am

 avatarIt's intriguing stuff, but not unexpected at all. In a lot of ways, we still *are* RNA organisms. The "DNA world" is something of an illusion. DNA's just the hard-drive; much of the real work is done by RNA. We've got used to thinking of RNA as a mere intermediate between DNA and proteins, but it is so much more than that, as we're now discovering - most of the cellular metabolism (and even genetics) that we used to think was fundamental is froth on the top. Look deeper, kids :-)

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8. Comment #212998 by Goldy on July 18, 2008 at 1:30 am

Seems a good night for gap closure...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7510443.stm

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9. Comment #213023 by bugaboo on July 18, 2008 at 3:03 am

Goldy

You inner (fish) voice. Fantastic!!

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10. Comment #213031 by Tyler Durden on July 18, 2008 at 3:28 am

 avatar*whoosh*

The sound of that article flying over the head of txpiper, and other YECs!

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11. Comment #213048 by Chris Davis on July 18, 2008 at 4:11 am

 avatarOh, that's wonderful! Looks as though we're creeping up on abiogenesis. The fossils are still there after all

CD

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12. Comment #213063 by someonefree on July 18, 2008 at 5:36 am

No wonder the US is sliding down the development index: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7511426.stm

USA #1! oh wait, no, more like 12th for human development and 42nd for life expectancy. Yeay go USA! /sarcasam

[Edit] Ooops I meant to post this on the abortion redefined article, that's what I get for trying to sneak in a comment while at work. :D

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13. Comment #213069 by Mitchell Gilks on July 18, 2008 at 5:52 am

 avatarDon't these silly "scientists" know that life can't come from non-life. That is an absolute, immutable, intuitive-truth.

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14. Comment #213078 by Ishruul on July 18, 2008 at 5:58 am

 avatarWoohoo!!!

More proof that I'm no monkey but a virus!!!

YAY!!! GO, infectious humanity GO!!!!

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15. Comment #213091 by GBile on July 18, 2008 at 6:29 am

Interesting, very interesting.

The god of the gaps resembles a haircomb by now.

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16. Comment #213136 by gr8hands on July 18, 2008 at 7:54 am

Since we already have proven that in ice, chemicals naturally combine to form pre-RNA and RNA . . . this is another nail in the coffin to those saying "life cannot come from non-life." We have all but one of the steps -- going from simply RNA to DNA.

However, that is the easiest of the steps for researchers. ("easiest" being relative, considering the extreme difficulty of this entire field of study)

Sorry to any creationists, but Science to the Rescue!

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17. Comment #213175 by thewhitepearl on July 18, 2008 at 8:42 am

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"We predicted that there would be an ancient 'RNA city' out there in the jungle, and we went out and found it,'' Breaker said.


Love that.

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18. Comment #213277 by edwaltthespisactor on July 18, 2008 at 11:08 am

 avatarDo they think their pipe is full yet?

Are they done sticking all of the evidence in it?

Are they ever going to accept that they need to smoke away all their IDioting ideas?

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19. Comment #213280 by PristinePanda on July 18, 2008 at 11:11 am

 avatarIt's not as if self-transcribing RNA will do anything to convince IDiots of the fallacious nature of their dogmas - scientists could eliminate all gaps and the God meme would still remain prolific in the memeplex.

I'm hoping that the Singularity will allow us to eschew all such religious nonsense.

The concept of abiogenesis is nothing new, of course, but it's nice to see some actual proof of said conjectures.

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20. Comment #213325 by Lucas on July 18, 2008 at 11:41 am

 avatarOver my head. But nonetheless, GO SCIENTISTS!! I can see this sort of research colliding with our Mars ice findings in the next ten or twenty years. Hmm...

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21. Comment #213334 by squinky on July 18, 2008 at 11:47 am

 avatarVery interesting article. Is the RNA world conceivable? Yes. The problem I have with it is that all the heavy lifting is done now by extremely sophisticated enzymes (proteins) that perform functions nearly impossible to imagine how catalytic RNA could do (metabolism, cell wall synthesis, etc) the most difficult are:
How were nucleotides synthetized in the RNA world (ribose and deoxyribose) which are the building blocks of RNA (and DNA)? How was template-directed nucleotide polymerization done (how was RNA "activated" and most importantly, how was 3' vs 2' RNA correctly formed (they can equilibrate) without a ribosome? While I can buy self-replicating RNA kindof, I can't imagine how:
1) It formed in the first place
2) How it acquired chiral, activated precursors
3) How it found more nucleotides to keep going (there are many dead-end reactions, so what)
4) Morph from a simple self-replicating system(and we can't even get these things to self-assemble in the lab) to the first cell that contains RNA and no proteins. Is it alive? Does it metabolize something or use energy? How does this little cell travel to more nutrients when it has no motor proteins?

The RNA world (while there are glimpses of evidence) to me is a placeholder hypothesis of abiogenesis. I have many problems with it.

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22. Comment #213500 by D'Arcy on July 18, 2008 at 1:58 pm

 avatarBrilliant stuff! The pursuit of knowledge about how the real world works can only be good. Yes, squinky's right loads and loads of things we don't know yet, but then when I was growing up computers took up whole buildings and had little pieces of card with holes punched in to process data.

If this research has medical implications, then hopefully the patent people can't ration the knowledge.

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23. Comment #213628 by Dhamma on July 18, 2008 at 5:13 pm

 avatarReading this I'm thinking; how much evidence will they(creationists) need in order to accept the reality? Somewhere, there HAS to be a breaking point for them, where they can no longer deny the evolution. I thought that line was crossed a long time ago, but they are quite stubborn bastards!

Or am I just naive to think they'll ever accept the evolution?

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24. Comment #213630 by 8teist on July 18, 2008 at 5:19 pm

 avatar"Or am I just naive to think they'll ever accept the evolution? "

Sorry to burst some bubbles ,but this RNA stuff was planted by beelzeebub last week. Back to the lab scientist geezers ,must try harder.

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25. Comment #213635 by Dhamma on July 18, 2008 at 5:38 pm

 avatarThat simple, huh :D

And I thought we could give them a fight at least... silly me.

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26. Comment #213638 by Quine on July 18, 2008 at 5:42 pm

 avatarsquinky:
The problem I have with it is that all the heavy lifting is done now by extremely sophisticated enzymes (proteins) that perform functions nearly impossible to imagine how catalytic RNA could do ...
Yes, that is true, if you want them to do as good a job as is done today. However, if you have an environment in which running reactions very slowly does not mean you get eaten before you can grow up, you can get by on catalytic systems that have very much lower efficiency and specificity. You will grow very slowly, and take a long time to collect the molecules you need to replicate, but as long as your neighbors are in the same situation, what's time to a molecule? Also remember that it need not be pure RNA. T-RNA manipulates an amino acid. Various other RNA and amino acid hybrids could have been doing some of the work that is now done better by proteins. It is exciting to see this kind of new knowledge coming so fast, now.

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27. Comment #213825 by cyberguy on July 19, 2008 at 2:05 am

 avatarAs I see it, this discovery is just one pole marking the route, to let us know we are on the right track.

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28. Comment #213829 by Steve Zara on July 19, 2008 at 2:16 am

 avatarComment #213628 by Dhamma

Or am I just naive to think they'll ever accept the evolution?


Many just will never accept it, ever. I have encountered such people. What they do is deny science altogether, and state that what it produces is an illusion.

What we can achieve is to make such people seem ridiculous, and educate future generations.

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29. Comment #213976 by fizhburn on July 19, 2008 at 10:13 am

 avatarQuine,

I had the same thoughts.

There is some talk of a theory of bio- or abiogenesis. But this has to be strictly incorrect; rather we should see a theory of the ways in which various organic molecules self-organized into more and more complex replicating systems. The gradation between alive and not alive would have some arbitrary border, given to match approximately the folk concept that living things are different in kind from other replicating chemical machines (i.e. that molecules aren't alive, but bacteria, and maybe viruses, are).

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30. Comment #214758 by spoo on July 20, 2008 at 9:39 pm

Articles like these really need some figures/images to try to visualise all these things that can be hard to understand by just reading text :P

On that whole topic, be sure to check out all the video recordings of the HHMI holiday lectures etc!

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/hl/index.html

I've made the habit of watching bits of them each day on the train to/from work :) (Yay for portable video devices!)

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31. Comment #214765 by Quine on July 20, 2008 at 9:53 pm

 avatarHi fizhburn,

Yes, the issue is clouded by what we are used to as "life." Prions are replicating folding patterns, but we don't call them alive. I agree with you that we are going to have to treat it like the Sorites paradox and just decide to draw a line.

However, a big difference happens when it gets to the point of having an isolated coding for genotype as we now see in DNA. This means you can change the plans without having to rip out the load bearing wall that the plans are written on.

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32. Comment #214770 by Quine on July 20, 2008 at 9:55 pm

 avatarspoo, nice; thanks.

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